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#1 dillon

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 05:39 PM

It seems the trend of doing airports that someone else has done for free/pay and/or Microsoft is alive and well with FlyTampa. If there is one thing that has been learned over the past and that is, it makes no since to keep redoing the same airports that's already been done by others. I don't know why developers do this...

All airports that are being proposed by FlyTampa already have either freeware or payware competition in the community with the exception of Dubai Intl, WHY???

New York La Guardia -- There are multiple freeware versions around, one version in particular is payware quality.

San Francisco Intl -- Simflyers already has this in the works and Microsoft has included this in FS9 by default.

Seattle-Tacoma Intl -- Already in Flight simulator by default. This area is hard enough on framerates without an add-on package to make it worse.

St. Maarten / Princess Juliana Intl -- Microsoft has already done a great job reproducing this airport, not to mention other additions to the default and/or scenery packages for this airport are present in the community.

With airports like Portland OR, KMDW, KPIT, and countless others that have never been touched why would you guys return to doing airports that have been done over and over and over again (just to say I can do it a little better). How many KSFOs do we need when we don't have one single Indianapolis or Nashville International Airport to choose from.

I know it's every developer's call as to what they wish to produce but your motivations here can't be for profit. Many won't buy another KLGA when they could get one for free but everyone will buy KMDW. Everyone will buy a KSTL or KMEM from you guys but you'll loose allot of us doing something that's already available from someone else and in most cases for free. In reality the only thing more you could offer over what's already out there besides your name on the product is more framerate headaches do to the eye candy. Will we have people walking around shaking our hands when we land??? If that's the case maybe I'll invest my money in your KLGA... Wilco tried to do it this with their Airport2002 product and look at far that product went. They’re efforts would have fared better if the package contained airports no other package had but nooo, they had to do it their way (egos I guess). I don’t think their in the game anymore because when time and money is spent and the profit is not returned, they lost more than they gained and it didn’t have to go that way. Do your research FlyTampa (don’t listen to me) and find out for yourself how far packages like this go. Look at the numbers and see how much can be made from original work versus a company overdoing the same old can of worms. Unless you’re a bunch of rich guys who are just doing it for the love of doing it, your putting yourself in line to have allot of time going out and the return profit could be much less than what it could be if you would have stayed away from work someone else has already beat you to the punch on. There’s way to many airports in the world…

I know some may disagree because their such fans of your work that they would buy anything from you guys but for the most part many aren’t going to pay attention to something they could either get for free or already bought from some other developer.

I hope you guys at FlyTampa reconsider and give us a KMDW, Portland Intl, Indianapolis, etc. I was really impressed with your decision to do airports like Tampa and San Diego. Now things are looking bleak….

Before you bash my post FlyTampa with statements like “what do you know about marketing” and/or “try doing it yourself”, do the research and you’ll see for yourself the error in your scenery choices.

I don’t want to see you guys get burned out by lack of sales considering the time and effort you’ve put in. Since 9/11 it’s not easy these days gathering information on international airports so if your going to risk getting arrested at least make it worth it by making a profit.

Dillon-- :roll: :wink:
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#2 haromo

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 10:51 PM

I understand this reaction though I don't share your opinion.
Even if a specific airport has been done in the (recent) past I am convinced that Fly Tampa's version will degrade every version of that scenery currently available.
I find Martin's sceneries (a few) classes better then anything on offer at the moment. He has to be one of the better if not the best current scenery designers.
Simflyers cannot be counted to the topdesigners anymore (except KLAS).
Their last KIAH is a laugh in my humble opinion.
The only designers coming close to Martin's quality are latest Sim-wings (Canarie Islands, Madrid, Ibiza 2005) and Aerosoft with their new German Airport series.
Together with Fly Tampa's these sceneries also maintain decent frame rates.

So I will buy every forthcoming scenery from Fly Tampa and actually was hoping for KLAX!!

Happy simming!
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#3 martin-flytampa-

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Posted 04 February 2004 - 11:43 PM

Hi Dillon,

Wrong forum, the new one is here but let me reply on some of your comments.

It seems the trend of doing airports that someone else has done for free/pay and/or Microsoft is alive and well with FlyTampa.


I don't think this is a trend, it is simply a matter of perspective (where you live and fly, what other addons you have etc). Let me show you why.

All airports that are being proposed by FlyTampa already have either freeware or payware competition in the community with the exception of Dubai Intl


Wrong, there are not one but two freeware Dubai addons available.

New York La Guardia -- There are multiple freeware versions around, one version in particular is payware quality.


Sheza (the author) knows that I appreciate his work, but I certainly do not consider the current version with the default ground "payware quality"... PS: payware quality isn't a good expression, many freeware addons like KBOS have shown that quality isn't a matter of pay-or-freeware.

San Francisco Intl -- Simflyers already has this in the works and Microsoft has included this in FS9 by default.


I do not know what others have "in the works" (enlighten me please), all I know is that many people who write me are not satisfied with the default SFO.

Seattle-Tacoma Intl -- Already in Flight simulator by default. This area is hard enough on framerates without an add-on package to make it worse.


Other than the default airport, I'm not aware of any quality renditions of SEA.

St. Maarten / Princess Juliana Intl -- Microsoft has already done a great job reproducing this airport


I could agree on this one (in terms of many addons being available), but St. Maarten is simply one I always wanted to make and now that I have the design know how I intend to do it.

I hope you guys at FlyTampa reconsider and give us a KMDW, Portland Intl, Indianapolis, etc. I was really impressed with your decision to do airports like Tampa and San Diego. Now things are looking bleak


IMO here is where the matter of perspective comes in. Did you know Tampa had two freeware addons available? Miami had one payware and at least one freeware. I have not researched all of your suggestions, but I'm sure we would always be able to find at least some addon for it. What I'm trying to say is just that there are countless addons for almost everything in FS that a single person can't be even aware of. If we all (payware, freeware devs) went by the rule not to do what has been done we would really have to go down to very small airports in the case of the USA.

Before you bash my post FlyTampa with statements like “what do you know about marketing” and/or “try doing it yourself”, do the research and you’ll see for yourself the error in your scenery choices.


Noone gets bashed in this forum :) I fully understand your opinion and I even agree with parts of it. That is why you will in fact see FlyTampa-Midway being made eventually sometime this year. Same goes for San Jose, Houston Hobby and many others. Not all airports I intend to do are on the official "upcoming list", those are just the ones I'm 100% certain about. As I stated earlier, I do prefer medium airports like TPA and SAN as well as airports with interesting architecture and features like Dubai.

Since 9/11 it’s not easy these days gathering information on international airports so if your going to risk getting arrested at least make it worth it by making a profit.


It is actually much harder to get information on airports like MDW than it is on SFO simply because of the huge number of photos (pre- and post 9/11) that are available.
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#4 Hollywood

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Posted 05 February 2004 - 10:57 PM

hi Martin

you are so talented. KMIA is such a great work. i am enjoying it so much. why you can't do something that customer would like to have.

may i propose you something

- LSZH Zuerich (Plenty of reference material is available) only two payware around. both of them not 100% accurate.

- MMUN Cancun no payware that's worth the money, but always worth a trip. ;)

- PGUM Guam (CO Mike home) why not something exotic

- MDPP Puerto Plata

- SAEZ / SABE Buenos Aires Ezeiza / Aeroparque. i would spend $50 for that. there is nothing in vicenty, not pay not free.

i could give you plenty of examples of airports i would whish. Simflyers tell me always, "we prefer US airports". this suxx

my 2 cents

cheers
Martin
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Posted 21 July 2004 - 06:47 AM

Did I hear Zurich! :?: Jeeehhaaaw! :!:
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