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#1 boing71234567

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 02:45 PM

hi,
how come at TNCM ( princess juliana intl airport ) i see varig and tap air portugal when im suppost to see us air and klm and air france etc? i tried to use the traffic editor but it didn't work! is there a download to fix this problem? PLEASE HELP!!!!
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Posted 21 October 2007 - 03:26 PM

Hi Boeing, which My Traffic version are you using? Also, at which times of the day does it happen or are there no KLMs at all? Do you maybe use an addon scenery with its own airport layout?

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 04:02 PM

hi,
im using my traffic x for fsx. i do have an addon called fly tampa st maarten but the same thing was happeneing before i got the addon. klm comes at dusk in a fokker 190 from belise. i know klm only comes from EHAM-TNCM and back and forth in a boeing 747 or md11 once in a while
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Posted 21 October 2007 - 09:04 PM

Thanks, boeing, I'll have a look. St Maarten without KLM is like a plane without wings.

We've concentrated a lot on other things lately. You might have noted that the flightplans improved significantly in many European and Asian areas. The Caribbean remains to be done. We'll certainly open a wish list thread in due course, if you like, please compile a couple of issues/wishes and report back then. We'll implement whatever we can.

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Posted 21 October 2007 - 09:53 PM

thank you. i just hate when tap air potugal comes in instead of air france or corsair.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:16 AM

This is a good example of the problems we have to solve.

I checked through the data I have available. The total number of IFR flights into TNCM currently is about 30-40 per day, half of them GA.

This means, that there is a departure every half hour or every hour, and it is not unlikely the airport has only one or two GA aircraft standing there, nothing bigger - that is real life. The 3 or 4 big aircraft from Europe per day are spectacular over the beach - but not in FS.

If I would publish a MyTraffic X with no action within one hour, 5 big irons per day and a dozen commuter, I would immediately be confronted with claims "MyTraffic X is not working at TNCM" - the users do expect action around them within 3 minutes - even the 10 minutes the preflight phase takes to service the FSX aircraft was a reason for much bashing.

So, a compromise has to be taken, to get the airport from the 30 real life flights to the 90 which let the airport be something like busy, with a departure every 15 minutes. In the versions up to 5.1, this was achieved by adding flights created by the random algorithms, and since the North was mostly booked, this gave aircraft more from the South and East. The algorithms for 5.1a have been refined, so that instead additional schedules from an earlier season are added if they are not identical to the actual ones. So in version 5.1a TNCM is dominated by LIAT, EGF, and other US carriers, the only latin America flight is a Volaris from Mexico ( that I verified to be real ) and two TAM from Brazil ( where I found one to be real ). So I recommend you update to version 5.1a, your problem is already solved.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:52 AM

would the uptate include the klm, air france, and corsair and us air american delta etc that fly's there
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 11:47 AM

This is the complete TNCM departure list in 5.1a



00 7 | 6908 | General Aviation PA31 Chieftain Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0026 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TKPK Robert L Bradshaw Intl daily
0036 | 189 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0040 | 521 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0050 | 38 | KLM Royal Dutch AirlinesB747-400 Dest: EHAM Schiphol daily
0101 | 309 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TISX Henry E Rohlsen daily
0107 | 508 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0128 | 5041 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0139 | 0105334 | Delta CRJ Dest: KMRB Eastern W Va Regl/Shephedaily
0209 | 5160 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0232 | 367 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0237 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: KMIA Miami Intl daily
0247 | 0245308 | TAM A320 Dest: SBCG Campo Grande Intl daily
0249 | 416 | BWIA B737-800 Dest: MKJP Kingston daily
0258 | 825 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: KMIA Miami Intl daily
0304 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0305 | 843 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
0314 | 544 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
0316 | 5166 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0343 | 312 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
0353 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
0500 | 5039 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: MDSD Santo Domingo Las Americ daily
0520 | 0223408 | TAM Fokker 100 Dest: SBEG Manaus Eduardo Gomes daily
0532 | 8112 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0553 | 8101 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0607 | 6908 | General Aviation PA31 Chieftain Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0626 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TKPK Robert L Bradshaw Intl daily
0636 | 189 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0638 | 660 | American Airlines B757-200 Dest: KJFK New York JFK daily
0640 | 521 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0701 | 309 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TISX Henry E Rohlsen daily
0704 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0707 | 508 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0715 | 0147786 | Jetblue A320 Dest: KLHX La Junta Mun daily
0728 | 5041 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0753 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
0809 | 5160 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0832 | 367 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
0849 | 416 | BWIA B737-800 Dest: MKJP Kingston daily
0905 | 843 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
0914 | 544 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
0916 | 5166 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
0943 | 312 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
1100 | 5039 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: MDSD Santo Domingo Las Americ daily
1104 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1120 | 9000 | American Eagle ERJ 145 Dest: KFLL Fort Lauderdale daily
1132 | 8112 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1153 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
1153 | 8101 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1207 | 6908 | General Aviation PA31 Chieftain Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1226 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TKPK Robert L Bradshaw Intl daily
1236 | 189 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1240 | 521 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
1301 | 309 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TISX Henry E Rohlsen daily
1307 | 508 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
1328 | 5041 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1409 | 5160 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1420 | 0259284 | Volaris A319 Dest: MMQT Ing F. Espinoza Gutierredaily
1432 | 367 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
1437 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: KMIA Miami Intl daily
1442 | 0209468 | LIAT DHC8-300 Dest: TTPP Port of Spain Piarco Intdaily
1449 | 416 | BWIA B737-800 Dest: MKJP Kingston daily
1458 | 825 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: KMIA Miami Intl daily
1504 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1505 | 843 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
1514 | 544 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
1516 | 5166 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1543 | 312 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
1553 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
1645 | 0218422 | Cubana Yak42 Dest: MUHA Jose Marti Intl daily
1700 | 5039 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: MDSD Santo Domingo Las Americ daily
1732 | 8112 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1753 | 8101 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1807 | 6908 | General Aviation PA31 Chieftain Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1826 | 833 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TKPK Robert L Bradshaw Intl daily
1836 | 189 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1838 | 660 | American Airlines B757-200 Dest: KJFK New York JFK daily
1840 | 521 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
1901 | 309 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TISX Henry E Rohlsen daily
1904 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1907 | 508 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
1913 | 687 | American Airlines B757-200 Dest: KMIA Miami Intl daily
1928 | 5041 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
1953 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
2006 | 1375 | American Airlines B757-200 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
2009 | 5160 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
2032 | 367 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TUPJ Terrance daily
2049 | 416 | BWIA B737-800 Dest: MKJP Kingston daily
2105 | 843 | Amerijet B727-200F Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
2114 | 544 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
2116 | 5166 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
2143 | 312 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TAPA St Johns daily
2212 | 0162108 | United Airlines B737-500 Dest: KCAK Akron-Canton Regl daily
2300 | 5039 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: MDSD Santo Domingo Las Americ daily
2304 | 167 | American Eagle ATR 72 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
2320 | 9000 | American Eagle ERJ 145 Dest: KFLL Fort Lauderdale daily
2332 | 8112 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
2353 | 520 | LIAT DHC8-100 Dest: TIST King daily
2353 | 8101 | General Aviation C208 Dest: TJSJ San Juan Luis Munoz Mari daily
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 12:45 PM

I believe the fsx stock airport has only 5 commercial airline parking spots, 2x36m, 1x18m and 2x23m, so I cheated and modified the airport a bit to add a couple more gate parkings for 15m and 18m spots in line with the 5.1a schedule. Since then I see double the planes at the airport. With my ifr at 40% there might be 4 to 5 commercial at the airport during the busy times of the day.
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 02:47 PM

If you could share that with us :)
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 05:01 PM

To prove it's really happening, here's a picture of TNCM in MTX v.5.1a.

KLM also services Willemstad on a daily base AFAIK.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 07:43 PM

ok what really stood out was the klm 747 and all those american 757's. its like a download from heven! were can i get it? and for the airport i have fly tampa st maarten so i have plenty of parking.i got the pictures off the internet of fly tampa st maarten!

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:24 PM

The modified afcad with a couple of pics is shown here. I'm also including the xml/bgl. I used fsxplanner 26b to modify the parking as well as one taxiway to runway 9. DISCLAIMER - I haven't tested the airport yet! And I haven't had time to see it at night either. Something to do tonight I guess.

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 08:39 PM

It doesn't allow me to attach the bgl or xml file :( Am I missing something?
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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:05 PM

@ Kagazi, attachments should be zipped and attached, thanks. Hope you're doing OK. :-)


@ Boeing, you can get the latest version here:

http://secure.simmar...t_infts_id=2072

Simmarket MTX customers have to pay 5 Euros to go from 5.0 to 5.1(a). Discounts should be applied automatically, if they don't please let us know.


Case you have the Aerosoft DVD, easiest and cheapest in the long run would be to get the crossgrade for 14 Euros:

http://secure.simmar...t_infts_id=2485


Please let us know if you have further questions.

Cheers and kind regards

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 09:58 PM

Thanks Jaap, doing better now that I have time to fly again :-)

I'm really enjoying the improvements made to 5.1a. Burkhard has out done himself again. I can really see the difference in schedules and the updated planes/paints - I love the new tail lights:!: KIAD (my home base) schedules much improved. I only needed to do slight modification to make the afcad realistic. Hats off to all those who contributed to this effort.

As you can see from the picture above, I've added a single AFR daily from Paris to St. Martin. I've also only kept one 36m Heavy parking since according to departure schedule, KLM and AFR schedules not overlap.

In general, the Caribbean airports can use some real help and I can't wait for you guys to sweep through with your changes. If you haven't already done so, we'll need to add Sun Caribbean to the mix of planes between Islands and TJSJ. Three other airports I modified recently were TNCA, TNCB and TNCC. If I recall, TNCB hardly had any parking spots and none greater than 14m:!: TNCA was a near ghost town and lacked adequate parking as well. I haven't revisited them since 5.1a but I'm curious to see the change due to the new planes and schedules.

Regards...K

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Posted 22 October 2007 - 10:08 PM

well i live in the USA so i use $. how could i get it in the USA
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 12:11 AM

Hi again Boeing, the sales price will be converted to $. All you need is a credit card or PayPal. Further options are here:

http://secure.simmar...mentoptions.php

I would recommend the online version, DVD/CD versions are outdated in no time and AIM, more expensive in the long run. AI is very dynamic. This is the support forum for the online version.

Cheers and kind regards

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Posted 23 October 2007 - 12:38 AM

ok does that just replace my traffic x or is it a fix for the addon. and when i get it do i need my traffic x anymore?
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Posted 23 October 2007 - 01:35 AM

Hi Boeing, please tell us which version you have and we'll tell you the differences and options. In your MyTraffic folder, you'll find a little txt file called MTX_version... etc.

Cheers and kind regards

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