Burkhard

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Cheers for that kagazi i will change the MT entry to SimObjectPaths.7=MyTraffic\Aircraft and see what happens then.

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Well that didnt work!!! Now i have double everything :?

Its as though MT running now oblivious to UT2. As if nothing was merged as per Burkhard's original post.

So what do i do now, any ideas?

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You should have this below:

SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes

SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft

SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles

SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats

SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals

SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc

SimObjectPaths.6=MyTraffic\Aircraft

SimObjectPaths.7=SimObjects\UT2 Aircraft

Remove the duplicate entries from the cfg file. Did you recently uninstall and reinstall FSX or perform a repair?

When you created all files and traffic you checked the box that says no UT2/Direct X live airlines and you're using MyTraffic DX10 schedules? I'm also assuming that you have added MyTraffic X to the FSX scenery list as you seem to have MTX traffic. Now that you have double everything, do you see MTX military or just commercial planes? Are the GA you see MyTraffic GA or UT2 GA and how are you making that determination?

I just ran a test at KIAD and TJSJ and I had both UT2 and MTX 5.3beta commercial and GA traffic with no duplicates. I have not tested this scenario at a military base. I'll run a few more tests tomorrow when I have some time.

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Gday again kagazi.

Yes i did an FSX reinstall recently.

Yes i did check the box no UT2/Direct X live airlines.

No i am not using MT DX 10 schedules, i'm using DX 9.

Yes i did add My Traffic X to the FSX scenery.

And yes i saw military and all MTX traffic.

The GA traffic i saw was both MTX and UT2.

Sorry to be a pain in the you know where, but i just want to have both running as Burkhard explained in original post.

Cheers again.

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i just want to have both running as Burkhard explained in original post

I don't blame you. At this point I'm throwing darts at the board but I'm trying to eliminate possible issues (and hopefully get lucky) until Burkhard returns -- most likely on Monday.

Have you ever tried to compile your files and traffic with the DX10 schedules box ticked? Also, I noticed your FSX traffic slider in one of your posts was at 100% for commercial and 50% for GA. Assuming you have copied the TrafficDatabaseBuilder.exe to your MyTraffic folder from your SDK folder, try to compile the year 2009 schedules using DX10 schedules and no UT2 boxes checked. Enter FSX and reduce your commercial traffic to 50% and your GA to 25%. Then enter the UT2 program and set the weekly traffic to 85% and daily to 25%.

The next area to look would be your reinstall. Your cfg file was badly mangled and the reinstall may also have impacted your installation of MTX and/or UT2. I will let Burkhard help in this regard as no one has his knowledge of the inner workings of MTX.

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Hi, thanks for the quick help.

So, what is the state exactly now?

You have the FSX .cfg as proposed by Kambiz? And now you see let us say Lufthansa from UT AND Lufthansa from MyTraffic, or what do you see now exactly?

The following might help:

You can easily stop MyTraffic traffic from showing by pulling the AI traffic sliders to 0%, while UT2 has its own slider in its application.

The schedules used for MyTraffic are in MyTraffic\scenery. You gave a a file size that makes a lot of sense, since far below the full MyTraffic size. Or is the file size in MyTraffic\scenery different? Is the creation date correct?

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Gday again kagazi and Burkhard.

What i'm going to do this morning is start with a fresh config, let fsx rebuild another one, then i'm going to uninstal and reinstal both MTX and UT2 and go through the process again as described by Burkhard in his original post and see what happens.

I will report my findings when all is done.

Cheers again and btw Burkhard i'm from Australia and only fly in Australia mainly out of YBCG and YBBN.

PS. And yes kagazi the TrafficDataBaseBuilder.exe was put in MyTraffic folder from my SDK folder.

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Ok guys have started FSX with a clean config file and have reinstalled both MTX professional 5.2b and UT2 and have followed everything to the letter in Burkhard's original post. Here are the findings:

SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes

SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft

SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles

SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats

SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals

SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc

SimObjectPaths.6=SimObjects\UT2 Aircraft

SimObjectPaths.7=MyTraffic\Aircraft

Before merging MTX and UT2: MyTrafficcommercial.bgl=117mb, MyTrafficmil.bgl=24.6mb

After merging MTX and UT2: MyTrafficcommercial.bgl=42.9mb, MyTrafficmil.bgl=24.3mb

I have tried 3 major airports in Australia: YBBN, YSSY, YMML. Now after loading flights and looking at the Traffic Explorer both MTX and UT2 flights show up and i had my sliders in FSX at both 100% traffic.

Yes all traffic showed up including military. I also noticed that one major airline didnt show up in the Traffic Explorer and that was Virgin Blue, my guess is that the same name is used by both MTX and UT2, Virgin Blue showed up as a UT2 aircraft but not as a MTX.

Also noticed duplicate airlines: On the Traffic Explorer it showed QANTAS in caps as MTX airline and Qantas Airways as UT2.

Also showed JETSTAR in caps as MTX airline and Jetstar Airways as UT2.

Also showed REX in caps as MTX airline and Regional Express as UT2.

I tried putting sliders for commercial in FSX to 50%, 25% and 0%, in all occassions except 0% both QANTAS and JETSTAR still showed up in Traffic Explorer and also noticed the lower i went i lost more of my military aircraft.

So there you have my findings guys i hope this all can be worked out so i can run both MTX and UT2 in harmony together soon.

Cheers again from Oz

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Using the MyTraffic X editor (5.3 beta) I can see that neither Regional Express nor Jetstar have the UT2 box checked. Qantas does have the UT2 box checked. Using the manage airlines option in the editor, manually add an "X" in the UT2 box for REX and Jetstar and save the .myt file. Then run create all files and traffic and see if it made a difference.

I can't explain the MTX version of Qantas showing up as the UT2 box is checked (at least in 5.3 beta). Maybe Burkhard will have some additional advice.

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Hi again kagazi.

The thing is i DON'T want Qantas etc showing up as MTX aircraft, i want them showing as UT2 traffic alone, and right now they're showing up as both MTX and UT2 aircraft. Hope this helps. So the question is how do i get rid of them showing up?

Do i get into the MTX aircraft folders and tracking them down in the applicable aircraft configs and deleting them or what do i do? I thought the whole point of Burkhard's first post was that the merger would get rid of the major airlines, but apparently Qantas etc mustn't be major airlines or am i mistaken?

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By placing an "X" in the UT2 box of the airline usng the editor you're telling MyTraffic X that this airline already exists in UT2. Then when you create all files and traffic with the no UT2 airlines checked MyTraffic will exclude (in theory) those airlines that it is aware of that exist in UT2. This was my point. Neither REX nor Jetstar had a UT2 box checked. Therefore, MyTraffic thinks that these airlines do not exist in UT2.

I haven't had time to check Australia, but since the UT2 box is checked for Qantas, in theory once you create all files and traffic with the no UT2 box checked it should prevent MyTraffic from scheduling any Qantas.

There is no need to delete AI manually as this process is built into MyTraffic X.

If you follow the instructions I gave in the previous post it should (in theory) remove MyTraffic X REX and Jetstar.

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Good morning, you are so active while I sleep :lol:

Neither REX nor Jetstar were in the UT2 version that I have here, but they may have been added since then. In case of REX it may have been the case that the correct name of the airline is Regional Express, operated by Regional Express Holding, which is running in MyTraffic under this correct name and not the brand.

And this now is the key I assume to the Qantas question, I checked no Qantas flights get compiled, BUT: Not all, by far, aircraft that have a red tail with a kanguroo on it and QANTAS in big letters on the side are flown by Qantas Airlines, there are several other airlines flying for the brand under own callsign, and you known when all is well it is Qantas and if somebody is to blaim it is them. Impulse Airlines is one of these examples. If UT2 has modelled this correctly based on operators, or also correctly based on marketing brand is beyond my knowledge, this problem is still bigger in the US where you have rather small real airlines and huge operaters flying for all of them ( Mesa, Mesaba, ASA, Comair, Chautauqua,Republic,....).

So this might require a bit of research and fine tuning from your side, if you want to have Impulse Airlines from MyTraffic or not - just mark Impulse airlines as "UT2" and compile with the mark checked and these aircraft will not show up. Since you have the far better inside than we can have, I would be greatful if you tell us which airlines to mark as "UT2" to get the optimum result, we can still include this as default to the next version.

I hope this explains what is going on.

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Since I have you on the wire for these, I have two contradicting sources if Impulse still fly 717s for Qantas.

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My late night activity is not my choice, but I'm using my time wisely revising TJSJ and redoing TKPK based on my recent observations and pictures -- and of course beta testing :wink:

Speaking of TKPK which airline is this? The name on the Dash was "THE Caribbean Airline"

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There is Caribbean Star in MyTraffic since 2007 :D

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G'day again kagazi and Burkhard.

Sorry kagazi i must have misread your previous post about placing the X in the UT2 box of the airline using the editor telling MTX that that airline already exists in UT2. I will do that later on today and let you know how i got on.

And yes Burkhard we have been active while you have been asleep :lol:

Yes Qantas do own a few other airlines and i will check up on those which it owns for you, thats if i can find this info.

However i do know that Impulse Airlines are no longer Burkhard. They were taken over by Qantas owned Jetstar.

Yes i know all too confusing for me as well these bigger airlines owning heaps of smaller ones as well, it happens here in Australia as well, so i can just imagine what its like in the US etc.

Ok guys i'm off to run the editor as kagazi suggested and try and find out some more info for you Burkhard.

Cheers guys

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By placing an "X" in the UT2 box of the airline usng the editor you're telling MyTraffic X that this airline already exists in UT2. Then when you create all files and traffic with the no UT2 airlines checked MyTraffic will exclude (in theory) those airlines that it is aware of that exist in UT2. This was my point. Neither REX nor Jetstar had a UT2 box checked. Therefore, MyTraffic thinks that these airlines do not exist in UT2.

Sorry kagazi but i'm at a loss here. You're saying place an X in the UT2 box of the airline using the editorso do you mean for instance opening MTX_V52b.myt again then go to create again create all files and schedules again then choose an airline at the left where it says "For this airline only" then highlighting the airline from the list then checking the No UT2/FSLive 2 airlines box?

For the life of me i cant see where it shows up when you said you couldnt see REX no Jetstar having had a UT2 box checked. :roll:

Sorry for asking all this guys i'm kinda new to this stuff so bear with me ok.

So in other words i highlight Jestar Airways from the list to the left of the box "For this airline only", then place an X in the "No UT2/FSLive 2 airlines" box then press "Go on!"? then do that for Regional Express as well? etc etc.

Also guys i would like to know how to take a screenshot and how i can post it in a thread.

Thanks again guys for all your support and help on this.

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Ok guys worked it all out now whew lol

Opened MT Editor opened MTX_V52b.myt then opened Airline then manage and edited applicable airlines by placing X in UT2 box (the airlines that appeared in both MTX and UT2 that is) then recompiled MTX_V52b.myt and all's good now :D

Will still check on airlines for you Burhard that no longer fly in Australia or that are owned by the bigger airlines, well i'll do my best anyway.

For now cheers guys and thanks again for your help.

Will report back when i have some more for you Burkhard.

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Fine all is working technically, the logics behind AI traffic can get very difficult easily, but than then is the joy of modeling. According to the actual jp lists Impulse is completely owned by QFA, but continues to fly under its own certificate. Otherwise it would mean an about 30% increase of all saleries if converted to Qantas itself, which in the current times is less likely than hell delivering free ice cream to all angels :twisted:

Edit: Looking still more into details can it be that the Impulse certificate is used for the Jetstar Asia brand?

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G'day Burkhard

Yes finally all working technically :D. As for Impulse Airlines i'm not sure about it flying under Jetstar Asia, i'll do my best to find out. However i did find another airline in MTX that is no longer flying under its own banner. The airline in question is Allianceit was swallowed up again by the Qantas group. I think it still uses its own colours but not sure on this one, again i'll find out. But i do know this it appears both in MTX and UT2, so there's another one for you Burkhard.

Will continue to look into more aussie airlines for you. Cheers all!!!!

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Thanks a lot for this, looking into this development and modelling it with the tools possible is the big fun for this hobby. This is what the "time machine" is good for. If we find out that Impulse ceased flying under own brand in 2008, we just edit the aircraft types of the airline, change the last year to 2008, and voila with any subsequent schedule creation, schedule import these aircraft will cease to exist for 2010 schedules. And if we want to go back to a day in 2007 maybe to repeat a flight we did back than, a new schedule creation with simulated year 2007 and they are back. Welcome to the fun side of it...

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How does all this go along with recent UT2 updates? For example a few airlines which were there before are now missing (Ryanair).

Another one.. is there a minimum percentage (GA slider) for military flights to show up? just asking.

One more thing... should I check the box "Direct X Only" or not? By default it's checked.

I merged UT2 and MTX by instructions and as far as I know all is working ok! Happy customer!

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How does all this go along with recent UT2 updates? For example a few airlines which were there before are now missing (Ryanair).

Another one.. is there a minimum percentage (GA slider) for military flights to show up? just asking.

One more thing... should I check the box "Direct X Only" or not? By default it's checked.

I merged UT2 and MTX by instructions and as far as I know all is working ok! Happy customer!

All this can easily done using the MyTraffic editor, do not foget to copy Trafficdatabasebuilder as instructed.

Every airline has a check box with which you can set to to be part of UT2 ( or any other package you want to misuse it for ), so check or uncheck as needed.

Then run a "Create all files and traffic".

Military flights are VFR flight rules. You can modify the minimal slider density they need in the same run of "Create all files and traffic".

The Direct X 10 check box warrants that only models built with FSX SDK are used, not the remainding (few) that stil are in legavy format and require more CPU resources for less optical quality. But if one of those is of importance for you, and mainly for historical schedules, you may want to uncheck them.

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Military flights are VFR flight rules. You can modify the minimal slider density they need in the same run of "Create all files and traffic".

When I press "Create all files and traffic" In "Which schedules ?" window under "Military" the value is "0"... what exactly this means? Is this even the right place I'm looking at?

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When I press "Create all files and traffic" In "Which schedules ?" window under "Military" the value is "0"... what exactly this means? Is this even the right place I'm looking at?

Yes, and a second look into the manual would be another place to look :grin:

In short: A military flight is a flight of an aircraft that has either a military combat or a military cargo parking enabled in the series section of the data base.

For all schedules created by the automatic scheduling, so practically all militaries, the dependense of the number of aircraft you see ( in average ) with the traffic density slider is linear. If you have the slider at 50%, you see 50% of the flights - with this value at default.

The value that you can change now defines the posint where this line crosses the 0. So, if you set the value to 50, you will have NO military traffic with slider at 50%, and with slider at 75% you will only have 50% of the military traffic. So this slider alloes you to fine tune how the 4 categories react to the traffic density slider, and to have more of what has your interest and less of what is just something nice to meet in the air, but not too often.

Allowed values are -999 to 99 . -999 means you see all military traffic with all sliders, 99 means you see it with 100% setting only.

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