fs2004, learjet 45, landing, spoilers, speeds
Posted 16 August 2003 - 05:03 AM
Speaking of spoilers, isn't the appropriate procedure supposed to be to (1) arm on approach, and (2) fully extend immediately after wheels-down?
If this is the case, I can't figure out how to get below 180-190 kias w/out spoilers extended. I would think that with the thrust set *below* idle, and flaps extended, the aircraft would be able to slow down to stall-speed at straight-and-level attitude, however I sure can't make it stall (realism turned all the way up).
Anyone have any tips on landing the learjet?
Posted 16 August 2003 - 05:58 AM
Posted 16 August 2003 - 10:32 AM
Posted 16 August 2003 - 05:47 PM
Posted 16 August 2003 - 06:47 PM
1. Make sure you have a some (little) weight and fuel (fuel adds weight)
2. Try using your autopilot to bring your Lear down to minimum speeds.
3. Or make usre your autopilot (speed) in disengaged, I did that once and couldn't figure out why I kept my speed above 180 kts and had a hell of a time landing.
4. Also, bring your nose back to slow down and use your throttles to increase altitude. This works best when at landing configuration.
I hope this helps. Let me know.
I LOVE flying the Lear, its the only plane I fly. I downloaded John Wayne Airport from Avsim (since I live in Orange County California) and park my lear in one of the hangers. I use KSNA as my home airport and fly all over the country and world. I also will download "Ultimate Traffic" and "Weather Center" and the new FSSE once its updated for -04.
I hope that helped. Llet me know how it goes with the Lear.
Posted 17 August 2003 - 05:47 AM
My problem was really just inexperience with flying more massive (and faster!) aircraft. I needed to give the lear enough time to slow down.
The reference/checklist doesn't give a stall speed, however the reference card does indicate approach speed of 120-100 kias (depending on weight). I've been putting the wheels on the tarmac at about 130, so I'll try a few more times, slowing it down.
I've also been fully extending the spoilers right after I pass the threshold, as this kills lift and pulls the nose up. I am still not sure on the exact procedure with regards to spoilers, I'll try again at slightly lower speed and see if I can wait until I get the nose down to extend the spoilers.
Posted 17 August 2003 - 06:27 AM
In general, you'd arm the spoilers on final approach (typically as you extend the landing gear, or after the gear is down and locked, depending on airline and aircraft type ...). That would cause them to extend as you touch down, or as you lower the nose gear, provided your engines are at idle. The exact conditions for deployment differ between aircraft types, and I simply have no clue how the Lear works in that respect...
If you extend spoilers manually, you'd do it as soon as you touch down, typically before lowering the nose.
A simulator specific issue is that not all aircraft in the sim have a knock-down feature, which retracts spoilers if you apply more than idle forward thrust, and they don't all have an indication in the mail panel view telling you if the spoilers are extended or not. Add to that the fact that the auto-deploy function doesn't always work, and you could have an exciting time if you need to go around after touching down; how do you know if the spoilers are up or down? That can sure get interesting For that reason alone, in simulator aircraft where I know the autospoiler functionality (both extention and retraction) is a bit suspect, I placard the autospoilers as out of service and deploy them manually.
Oh, and one thing you'd never, ever do (at least IRL, and if you want your aircraft to be reusable), is to extend spoilers at low altitude before touching downYou'd drop like a brick!
I hope some of this would apply to the Lear 45 as wellI think it would!
Posted 17 August 2003 - 06:33 AM
Posted 19 August 2003 - 03:48 AM
I think the trick is to bring the plane to the runway with the absolute slowest speed possible which is not easy. Like you I use the spoilers quite a bit.
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