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[EKBI]

Hello everybody.

I got a very wierd problem with my FSUIPC settings. When i'm finished with pushback an pull down on my saitek throttle quadrant flaps lever to set takeoff flaps, the the throttle goes in to reverse for just a split second.
I tryede to delete the FSUIPC file, where all my configuration to levers and buttons is and startede over.
But same thing every time.

I use FSX and it is only problem with the NGX
I must mention the i have assigned two of my levers to reverse thrust and set the parameters to -15000 o 15000 to aviod it going into reverse often.


regards  

Martin Pedersen

[Pete Dowson]

EKBI, on 12 February 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

I got a very wierd problem with my FSUIPC settings. When i'm finished with pushback an pull down on my saitek throttle quadrant flaps lever to set takeoff flaps, the the throttle goes in to reverse for just a split second.

Have you, like most other Saitek users, programmed the button on the full back throttle position, to send "Throttle decr" or the F2 key? Because that's the reverse thrust setting. Otherwise it sounds like you have the throttle lever calibrated in the 4 throtles tab in FSUIPC and have set a reverse zone.

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I must mention the i have assigned two of my levers to reverse thrust and set the parameters to -15000 o 15000 to aviod it going into reverse often.

What does "set the parameters" mean there? What parameters, where, and how assigned? Maybe the Saitek device is sending spurious jitters on the reverser axes when you move the others? You can use Axis logging in FSUIPC to find out.

If you want me to check what you are doing show me your INI file.

Pete

[EKBI]

Hi Pete.
Where can i find the log file?

[EKBI]

This is how my .ini looks like:

[Profile.B737-800]
1=Boeing 737-8ASNGX Ryanair Winglets
2=Boeing 737-8K2NGX Transavia Airlines Winglets
3=Boeing 737-890NGX Alaska Airlines (Spirit of Seattle) Winglets
4=Boeing 737-8Z9NGX Austrian Airlines Winglets
5=Boeing 737-86NNGX Norwegian Air Shuttle Winglets
[Axes.B737-800]
0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0
1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0
2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0
3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0
4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0
5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0
6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0
7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0
8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0
9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0
10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0
[JoystickCalibration]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
[JoystickCalibration.B737-800]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-15000,0,0,15000/8
Elevator=-15000,-512,512,15000/8
Rudder=-15000,0,0,15000/8
LeftBrake=0,15000/24
RightBrake=0,15000/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,15000/40
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,15000/40
Spoilers=-15000,16380/16
Flaps=-16383,15000/16
Reverser1=-14000,15000/8
Reverser2=-14000,15000/8
[Buttons.B737-800]
0=P1,0,C65580,0
1=P1,2,C65607,0
2=P1,3,C65615,0
3=P1,4,C66079,0
4=P1,5,C66080,0
5=R1,1,K145,8
6=P1,16,C65860,0
7=P1,17,C65861,0
8=P1,14,K191,9
10=R1,22,K112,8
[Profile.Boeing737-700wl]
1=Boeing 737-73SNGX Jet Time Winglets
2=Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets
[Buttons.Boeing737-700wl]
2=R1,22,K112,8
3=R1,21,K112,8
4=P1,0,C65580,0
5=P1,4,C66079,0
6=P1,5,C66080,0
7=P1,16,C65860,0
8=P1,17,C65861,0
9=P1,14,K191,9
10=R1,1,K145,8
11=R2,8,K112,8
12=P1,15,K112,8
[Axes.Boeing737-700wl]
0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0
1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0
2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0
3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0
4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0
5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0
6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0
7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0
8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0
9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0
10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0
[JoystickCalibration.Boeing737-700wl]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-16380,0,0,16380
Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380
Rudder=-16380,0,0,16380
LeftBrake=0,16384/24
RightBrake=0,16384/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/40
Spoilers=-16383,16384/16
Flaps=-16383,16384/16
Reverser1=-14000,13136/8
Reverser2=-14000,13078/8
SlopeLeftBrake=2
SlopeRightBrake=2
[Profile.737-700]
1=Boeing 737-773NGX SAS Scandinavian Airlines
[Axes.737-700]
0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0
1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0
2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0
3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0
4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0
5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0
6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0
7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0
8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0
9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0
10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0
[Buttons.737-700]
0=P1,0,C65580,0
1=P1,2,C65607,0
2=P1,3,C65615,0
3=R1,1,K145,8
4=P1,14,K0,9
5=P1,16,C65860,0
6=P1,17,C65861,0
7=R1,21,K112,8
8=R1,22,K112,8
[JoystickCalibration.737-700]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-16384,-512,512,16383
Elevator=-16384,-512,512,16383
Rudder=-16384,-512,512,16383
LeftBrake=0,16000/24
RightBrake=0,16000/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Spoilers=-16383,16384/16
Flaps=-16000,16000/16
Reverser1=-14000,16383
Reverser2=-14000,16383

Edited by EKBI, 12 February 2012 - 12:20 PM.

[Pete Dowson]

EKBI, on 12 February 2012 - 12:18 PM, said:

Where can i find the log file?

In the Modules folder, next to the FSUIPC DLL, the INI, the KEY and the Install log files, of course.

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

EKBI, on 12 February 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

This is how my .ini looks like:

You found that, but couldn't see the Log?

In Your INI file, I think you might need to change this:

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

to 'Yes'. Some aircraft need this for correct operation when using the No Reverse Zone axis option.

Aileron=-15000,0,0,15000/8
Elevator=-15000,-512,512,15000/8
Rudder=-15000,0,0,15000/8
LeftBrake=0,15000/24
RightBrake=0,15000/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,15000/40
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,15000/40
Spoilers=-15000,16380/16
Flaps=-16383,15000/16
Reverser1=-14000,15000/8
Reverser2=-14000,15000/8

Odd that the values here are so, er, precisely on multiples of 1000, as if you've set them manually instead of by actually using the calibration facilities. Why is that?

I see you have the Filter option set on almost all of the axis controls. Why? Generally it isn't a good idea unless the controls are extremely poor or you have a bad power supply to your PC which makes the readouts vary a lot. The filtering was added for old dirty worn controls  and/or bad power levels, as in third world countries.

The calibration for the "Boeing737-700wl" profile is different:

Aileron=-16380,0,0,16380
Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380
Rudder=-16380,0,0,16380
LeftBrake=0,16384/24
RightBrake=0,16384/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/40
Spoilers=-16383,16384/16
Flaps=-16383,16384/16
Reverser1=-14000,13136/8
Reverser2=-14000,13078/8

In fact, apart from the Filtering (which is actually off on Throttle1), and the minima of -14000 on throttles and reversers, it looks like you've never done the calibration at all as the other values are all default.

Same goes for '737-700', except you have filtering off on both throttles and both reversers for that, and you've got two manually set values for the Flaps.

Aileron=-16384,-512,512,16383
Elevator=-16384,-512,512,16383
Rudder=-16384,-512,512,16383
LeftBrake=0,16000/24
RightBrake=0,16000/24
Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/32
Spoilers=-16383,16384/16
Flaps=-16000,16000/16
Reverser1=-14000,16383
Reverser2=-14000,16383

Apart from these rather unusual things, there's nothing there that would engage reverse unless the reverser axes were giving spurious inputs, which would be shown by the logging. You could also try temporarily disabling (unassigning) the reversers to check this.

Regards
Pete

[EKBI]

Well i'll try to delete the configurationfile and start over.
I put in the values manually because some time the throttle and reversers wouldn't go in idle.
What is best:

Assigning the button on the throttle to F2, or use the reverser axis to get the most out of it?

[Pete Dowson]

EKBI, on 12 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Well i'll try to delete the configurationfile and start over.

I don't think that'll necessarily help -- you said you did that before.

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I put in the values manually because some time the throttle and reversers wouldn't go in idle.

You just need to calibrate with a larger zone for idle. The instructions for calibration do advise you to move the lever away from the extremes enough to achieve both full throttle and idle.

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What is best: Assigning the button on the throttle to F2, or use the reverser axis to get the most out of it?

That usually dpeends on the particular aircraft you are using. Some just don't work corrctly with a reversing axis (FS itself doesn't provide one). Obviously you also need spare levers for reversers if you aren't using a zone on the throttle axes.

But none of this helps with why you are getting spurious reverser operation. We need that axis logging to see what is doing that -- and you could test, too, with the reversers temporarily de-assigned, as I already suggested. If that stops it we can probably conclude that they are giving spurious inputs.

Regards
Pete

[EKBI]

I appreciate your help Pete, so today i tryed yet again to delete my configurations file and started over. But when I assign reversers 1 and 2 for my saitek throttle quadrant are still giving spurious inputs.
But it helps when I unassigning the reversers.

I think this maybe the log you are reffering to?

********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.80 by Pete Dowson *********
User Name="Martin Pedersen"
User Addr="mlr@bll.dk"
User WideFS Addr="ekbi@live.dk"
FSUIPC4 Key is provided
WideFS7 Key is provided
Running inside FSX on Windows 7
Module base=61000000
   62 System time = 13/02/2012 11:55:14
   94 FLT UNC path = "\\MARTIN-PC\Flight Simulator X Files\"
  125 Trying to connect to SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 ...
  125 FS UNC path = "\\MARTIN-PC\FSX\"
  359 LogOptions=00000000 00000001
  359 Wind smoothing fix is fully installed
  359 G3D.DLL fix attempt installed ok
  359 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay
  359 Trying to use SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07
1170 Running in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X", Version: 10.0.61472.0 (SimConnect: 10.0.61259.0)
1170 Initialising SimConnect data requests now
1170 FSUIPC Menu entry added
1217 \\MARTIN-PC\FSX\FLIGHTS\OTHER\FLTSIM.FLT
1217 \\MARTIN-PC\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\Aircreation_582SL\Aircreation_582SL.AIR
    11154 \\MARTIN-PC\PMDG 737-700NGX WL\B737-700WL.AIR
    53540 Starting everything now ...
    53555 AES Link established
    53930 System time = 13/02/2012 11:56:08, Simulator time = 11:55:43 (10:55Z)
    53930 Aircraft="Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets"
    57159 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled
    65474 Aircraft="Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets"
   226825 Weather Mode now = Global
   279179 Weather Mode now = Theme
   279335 Weather Mode now = Global
   391407 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
   412794 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
   425867 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
   436319 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
   664876 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
  1443883 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 1374 secs = 31.1 fps
  4378886 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
  4623636 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 3127 secs = 33.2 fps
  4982126 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
  4982547 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN
  5790274 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 1158 secs = 23.3 fps
  5793581 Weather Mode now = Theme
  5793612 \\MARTIN-PC\FSXapp\Previous flight.FLT
  5807059 System time = 13/02/2012 13:32:01, Simulator time = 11:55:42 (10:55Z)
  5807059 *** FSUIPC log file being closed
Average frame rate for running time of 5673 secs = 30.6 fps
G3D fix: Passes 132461, Null pointers 0, Bad pointers 0, Separate instances 0
Memory managed: 6188 Allocs, 6188 Freed
********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

[Pete Dowson]

EKBI, on 13 February 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

I appreciate your help Pete, so today i tryed yet again to delete my configurations file and started over.

I've no idea wehy you keep doing that. I advised you not to last time!

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But when I assign reversers 1 and 2 for my saitek throttle quadrant are still giving spurious inputs.
But it helps when I unassigning the reversers.

Only "helps"? Or fixes it? If it fixes it then your reverer axes are jittering and sending values when they shouldn't. you need to park them where they cannot interfere, at one end of the travel, in an area calibrated RELIABLY as 'dead' zone.

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I think this maybe the log you are reffering to?

Well, it is certainly the FSUIPC log file, but you've not enabled Axis logging as I suggested so that we could see what was happening.  Therefore it is of no interest at all.

Regards
Pete