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Mix-up of VOR and NDB with the same name? (answered)

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Volker,

May be this has been dicussed before, but I could not find anything

Example 1 : Approaching Salzburg (LOWS)

All  STARSs end at VOR SBG. I then want to use the transition 'ILS15 SBG'. If I select this one it shows a route via NDB SBG to OES80 etc. After adding to my plan it goes (incorrectly) directly from VOR SBG to OES80.

Example 2 : approaching Reggio Calabria (LICR)

The ...1A STARs end at VOR RCA, the ...1B STARs end at NDB RCA. If I select for example STAR BERM1B it end at NDB RCA. After adding to plan it ends (incorrectly) at VOR RCA

I am using FSC 9.6 rev 4 with Navdatapro cycle 1703 on a a PC with W10 64bit

See you, Jan

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Hi Jan,

1. Revision 4 has expired. Current revision is 7.
2.
In order to facilitate my investigation, please publish here the FSCommander flight plans, in both cases.

Regards,

Volker

 

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Volker,

Thanks for your reply. I upgraded by now to FSC 9.6 rev 7, but the problem still persist.

Examples of flightplans I have problems with are :
LOWI  UNKE1J  TRAU1R SBG LOWS
LICC INDAX  BERM1B L LICR
Details are in the added pictures

Striking is that, If you select the ILS 15 SBG transition for the LOWS approach, or the BERM1B STAR for the LICR approach in the 'Select SID/STAR/Transition' window, the route shows OK. But as soon as you add it to the flightplan, it goes wrong.

See you, Jan

 

LICC-LICR.jpg

LOWI-LOWS.jpg

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Hello Jan,

1. LICC LICR
RCA is an INTERSECTION waypoint and part of a STAR and not a NDB.

LOWI LOWS
SBG
is a GPS FIX waypoint and part of a Transition and not a NDB

All data are part of the Airac cycle.
If, in your opinion, this data is incorrect, contact the provider of the data.
The FlightSim Commander displays the data as supplied by the provider.

Regards,
Volker

 

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Hi Volker,

I probably did not explain it very well, but I don't think that is the point. What I see is that for example the selected STAR BERM1B for LICR is not correctly integrated in the flightplan. In the selection phase in ends (correctly) at NDB RCA and after integration in the flighjtplan it ends (wrongly) at VOR RCA, see added pictures.

 

See you, Jan

LICR1.jpg

LICR2.jpg

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Hi Jan,

As I have written it before...
...The FlightSim Commander displays the data as supplied by the provider.

If, in your opinion, this data is incorrect, contact the provider of the data.

The FlightSim Commander does not modify the Airac Cycle data in any flight plan.

Regards,

Volker

 

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Dear Volker, Dear janar737

I respond as I found similar issue using FSC flightplans. This is a part of the plan created in FSC 9.6 rev 7:
VHHH ... BARUG LNZ SBG KPT ... LSZH
At creation everything is fine. But if OK button in the Flight Plan window is pushed or the plan is reopened, SBG is not anymore close to Salzburg.
Now it is Strathbogie, Australie.

We assume this error:
The flightplan at reloading does take the first entry in the database rather to check with the correct coordinates found saved in the "pln" file.
we tried several NDB's, VOR with same name and had alltime the same error.

We use FSX or P3D v3.4, Win7-32, local or FSUIPC 4.966c with Wideclient 6.999z4, FSC Database Manger 9.6 rev 7 NET.

We may found a solution ?
Best regards, Peter

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Hello Peter,

The use of the O.K. Button is only permitted if the flight plan complies with the following convention:
Departure - SID - Airway - Intersection - Airway - Intersection - Airway - etc - etc - STAR - Transition - Destination.
(see also English manual chapter 5.2.2 Airway routes).

For flight plan that do not comply with this convention, the  O.K. Button can not be used.
Will the the O.K. Button used anyway leads to the error described.
A saved flight plan must correspond to the same Airac Cycle when re-loaded under which this plan was created.

Best regards,

Volker

 

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Good afternoon Volker

As ever fast reply !
OK, I accept your system and will read the manual.
We mostly do "dirty" flight plans not using SID / STAR nor Transitions. And we fly VOR to VOR or Intersec.

Best regards
Peter

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Hello Peter,

That makes planning even easier. You don't need the O.K. Button.
With this manual type of planning, exactly the waypoint used is displayed again during the reload.

In the manual you will find also the documentation "A mixed airway and VOR-to-VOR flight plan"

Best regards
Volker

 

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