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hey,

we just ordered a new computer to replace this old one he have and yes i will aventually put my fsx stuff on it. it has.....

dual core processer

2gb of ram

xp pro!!!!!

its a dell

and a lot of other stuff i forgot

very good video card and very powerful!

what do you think?

thank you,

boing71234567

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Do you know which processor and which graphics card? Hopefully no one is pumping out Pentium Ds now, but I guess there could still be a little inventory floating around.

The thing I like about Dell is the cheap prices! The things I don't like so much are the offshore call centres and the non ATX power supplies. But that should not affect you so much.

I just went from Core2 E6400 to Quad Core E6600. Still playing with it, but feeling good about it so far. The 8800GT hopefully arrives tomorrow.

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ok it has

XPS 210 Small Form Factor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (4MB L2 Cache,2.4GHz,1066 FSB)

2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC SDRAM 677MHz (2 DIMMs)

128MB ATI MOBILITY RADEON X1300

1.44 MB Floppy Disk Drive

160 GB SATA Hard Drive (7200RPM)

8X DVD +/- RW w/dbl layer write capability

and a lot of other stuff but thats just the stuff that pops out.

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Sorry, that is barely capable of running office. FSX requires a good grafics card, so an ATI X2600 with 256 MB or an Nvidia 8600GTS with 256 MB are the minimum to have fun. FSX real uses large textures, and they do not fit into a 128MB cardI tested myself two GPUs ago. I recommend not to go below the Geforce 8800GTS with 320MB or the cheaper ATI X2900, don't think the X2800 is out already. The rest is OK - if the small form factor allows to add a real GPU. The fact that yours is a notebook version makes me wonder about this.

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Sadly I agree, whomever told you that was a powerful graphics card needs to think again. It probably is powerful compared with S3 864 from 10+ years ago, but you will struggle in FSX. It is well know that FSX is cpu bound, so your processor is a good choice, however the graphics card will let you down. Particularly with SP1 and SP2, you can make the game GPU bound. For instance now when I turn up autogen to "really dense", my core 0 utilisation drops to 70%. Rest of the time, e.g. for max AIX, it is fixed on 100%. Mine is an X800XL which has also had it's day, that is why I await the 8800GT.

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ya i didnt if the graphics card would be ok or not but were probly going to upgrade it.

thank you,

boing71234567

... and while we are in the topic of upgrading, I would strongly urge you to take two 8800GT and SLI them rather than a single 8800GTX. The cost of the two together would be less than that of a single GTX and the performance on a 17" screen would be similar if not better in the SLI.

Vikram.

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Hi Boing, since Dell have fairly long lead times at the moment (AFAIK), there might be a chance to modify the order?

It's a notebook, not? If so, how do you intend to upgrade the notebook's GPU, are you an electronics specialist? ;-)

For a new FSX box, with a hefty screen resolution and for example containing 512MB GPU, I would also recommend getting more than 2GB system RAM.

Kind regards

Jaap

Edit; unless somebody is running a 2500x1800 screen res and wants 32xAA and 128xAF :-) SLi and the likes is probably sinking a lot of money for little to no benefit re FSX. If, it's better to invest that kind of money into something like this:

http://www.crazypc.com/products/9290GT.html

;-)

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Umm, Dell. Just bought myself a new laptop a few weeks ago and got it for ~£200 ($400) LESS than Dell would do for the same spec but may be different in other countries. Also got it within 1 week rather than the 6 weeks or so Dell were quoting for an XPS. If you can modify the order fair play but I'd look around for a better deal and cancel altogether if you can find one. Don't worry about brand name either. Most laptops are made by 1 of a small number of Asian manufacturers and then 'rebranded' for sale. As long as you know who originally made it you can source drivers etc. without paying brand name prices for support you might never need. My own model is advertised on another manufacturers website with slightly lower specs and a much higher price as being THEIR made in the factory machine. The case is very distinctive so I know who really makes it and it's not done in their factory! Also the company I bought from have a great reputation for their support and warranty processes as well. You want drivers you find them yourself (they'll point you in the right direction) but anything fails and they'll sort it no problem. Plus you can change the internals as much as you want and they'll still honour the warrenty provided the component at fault hasn't failed due to your messing around. Who needs brand names?

Specs:

Vista Ultimate (32-bit)

250GB SATA drive

17" WUXGA(?) Hi-Def screen (1920x1200)

T7700 2.4GHz dual core

4GB 800Mhz RAM (yeah, I know it only uses 3 but hey)

512MB NVidia GeForce 8700M GT

Not quite cutting edge but not exactly shoddy for a laptop but even so it is only ok-ish running FSX. Certainly wouldn't want to try it on anything less. Luckily it's also really easy to get into and change components so no hassle getting a better GPU or even processor at some point. Wouldn't want to try it with Dell though and their 'made for Dell' internals. I purchased a desktop from them 3 yrs ago and so far have had to replace the memory, hard drive, GPU and power supply because they failed. Couldn't get a power supply that would fit the case for love nor money so ended up having to modify the case. I work with over a hundred Dell machines every day in the 'real world' as well and find the same sort of problems time and again re fitting motherboards and such like. Don't get me wrong, I quite like Dell machines but they do eat internals occasionally, charge way over the odds to upgrade from basic spec (if done as part of the order) and whilst cheap at the lower spec end can be beaten on price if you shop around at the top end.

Let's hope you end up with something meaty.

Best wishes

Kurt

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since FSX don't utilize SLI / Crossfire

Well, the drivers that FSX uses do use SLI. But since FSX is mostly CPU bound, there's not much benefit from the GFX power increase SLI will give.

For FSX, get the most powerful CPU available and plenty of RAM in both the PC and the GFX card.

I guess that if you have a lot of 'external' add-on's (simconnect .exe add-on's for example) you might benefit from a quadcore over a dualcore.

Daniel

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