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Hi,

I have just bought WideFS and FSUIPC and I am trying to connect AS6.5 to FS9 using these programs. I (think!) I have followed all of the instructions in the relevant readme files including running Active Radar Connector on the FS PC however I am still getting WideClient showing "Waiting for a Connection" and AS6.5 showing "FS Disconnected".

This is the content of the relevant logs:

********* WideClient Log [version 6.75] Class=FS98MAIN *********

Date (dmy): 27/10/08, Time 20:22:03.484: Client name is CHRIS-LAPTOP

297 Attempting to connect now

1295 Trying to locate server: Need details from Server Broadcast

1295 Failed to connect: waiting to try again

3354 Attempting to connect now

13650 New Client Application: "ASv6" (Id=1084)

68095 Trying to locate server: Need details from Server Broadcast

********* WideServer.DLL Log [version 6.75] *********

Blocksize guide = 4096 (double allowed)

Date (dmy): 27/10/08, Time 19:59:37.443: Server name is CHRIS-PC

119313 Initialising TCP/IP server

119313 Initialising IPX/SPX server

119313 IPX/SPX socket() failed [Error=10047] Address family not supported by protocol family

119313 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

119313 Initialising UDP/IP server

120156 Broadcasting service every 1000 mSecs

233156 Restarting service due to total lack of use

233156 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

Looks like the IPX/SPX server is the problem, however how do I resolve this please?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Chris

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Hi Chris,

Have you gone through the Network setup steps in the AS Manual?

Checked firewalls on both computers for access?

Started up AS on the client machine?

Pete will jump in with the Wide FS information, but please post at our forum at AVSIM or e-mail me if you need more help with Active Sky.

Thanks!

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1295 Trying to locate server: Need details from Server Broadcast

The broadcasts from the Server aren't reaching the Client. Maybe a firewall? Or you are not using XP or Vista on both PCs? Or they aren't in the same WorkGroup.

You may need to provide the ServerName and Protocol explicitly in the WideClient.INI file if you cannot solve these problems. Please do refer to the documentation.

Looks like the IPX/SPX server is the problem

No, the failure of IPX/SPX only matters if you wanted to use IPX/SPX. You can use TCP (default) or UDP without installing IPX/SPX.

Pete

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Thanks Pete, I'll check that when I get home later. Both run Vista, I have disabled both Firewalls - will check the workgroup name and report back.

And yes JSkorna, I've followed all instructions in the documentation to pair up - I'll go through it all again though.

Chris

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********* WideClient Log [version 6.75] Class=FS98MAIN *********

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 14:26:15.643: Client name is CHRIS-LAPTOP

452 Attempting to connect now

1482 Trying to locate server: Need details from Server Broadcast

1482 Failed to connect: waiting to try again

3510 Attempting to connect now

4165 Server = CHRIS-PC

4492 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

4492Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

7191 New Client Application: "ASv6" (Id=5944)

25521 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10060] Connection timed out

25521 Ready to try connection again

27534 Attempting to connect now

27534 Giving up server, looking for another!

28173 Server = CHRIS-PC

28485 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

28485Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

52213 Server = CHRIS-PC

52213 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

52213Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

75255 Giving up server, looking for another!

76222 Server = CHRIS-PC

76222 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

76222Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

99263 Server = CHRIS-PC

99263 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

99263Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

122289 Giving up server, looking for another!

123287 Server = CHRIS-PC

123287 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

123287Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

147296 Server = CHRIS-PC

147296 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

147296Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

170306 Giving up server, looking for another!

171304 Server = CHRIS-PC

171304 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

171304Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

194377 Server = CHRIS-PC

194377 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

194377Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

217403 Giving up server, looking for another!

218370 Server = CHRIS-PC

218370 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

218370Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

242394 Server = CHRIS-PC

242472 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

242472Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

265482 Giving up server, looking for another!

266403 Server = CHRIS-PC

266403 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

266403Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

289413 Server = CHRIS-PC

289413 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

289413Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

312438 Giving up server, looking for another!

312438 Server = CHRIS-PC

312438 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

312438Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

335480 Server = CHRIS-PC

335480 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

335480Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

358584 Giving up server, looking for another!

359488 Server = CHRIS-PC

359488 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

359488Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

382342 New Client Application: "ACARS" (Id=1152)

382545 Server = CHRIS-PC

382545 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

382545Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

405555 Giving up server, looking for another!

406554 Server = CHRIS-PC

406554 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

406554Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

415493 ****** End of session performance summary ******

415493 Total time connected = 0 seconds

415493 Reception maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

415508 Transmission maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

415508 Max receive buffer = 0, Max send depth = 0, Send frames lost = 0

415508 **************** Individual client application activity ****************

415508 Client 5944 requests: 120 (Ave 120/sec), Data: 6480 bytes (6480/sec), Average 54 bytes/Process

415508 Client 1152 requests: 85 (Ave 85/sec), Data: 3638 bytes (3638/sec), Average 42 bytes/Process

415508 ********* Log file closed (Buffers: MaxUsed 1, Alloc 205 Freed 205 Refused 0) *********

Any ideas?

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And BAV ACARS on WideFS also does not connect. FS9 is showing "Waiting for Clients" and the WideClient program is showing "Waiting for a Connection". I have entered the following into the WideClient.cfg file as per the manual:

ServerName=Chris-PC

Protocol=TCP

Still not working though :-(

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1482 Trying to locate server: Need details from Server Broadcast

1482 Failed to connect: waiting to try again

3510 Attempting to connect now

4165 Server = CHRIS-PC

4492 Trying TCP/IP host "CHRIS-PC" port 8002 ...

4492Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

At least now it is receiving the Broadcasts. Did you make the Workgroups the same?

25521 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10060] Connection timed out

Continual time-outs every 20 seconds or so mean it isn't receiving anything from the Server on its normal (non-broadcast) port.

The normal reason for that is a firewall, or else something else is using the same port (8002).

Any ideas?

You only provide half of the story. Where's the WideServer log from the FS PC?

Regards

Pete

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And BAV ACARS on WideFS also does not connect.

It isn't anything to do with any application. Your Network isn't working, or at least it isn't only the standard ports WideFS uses.

I have entered the following into the WideClient.cfg file as per the manual:

ServerName=Chris-PC

Protocol=TCP

There's no point in doing that -- as you can see from the log you posted, the client is getting those details okay from the Broadcast!

Still not working though :-(

Of course not. You've not done anything to change whatever it is that is stopping it.

The WideServer log might help. It is never any good withholding half of the information. But it still looks most likely to be a firewall problem.

Regards

Pete

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Sorry Pete, I thought I had pasted the other log...here it is:

********* WideServer.DLL Log [version 6.75] *********

Blocksize guide = 4096 (double allowed)

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 14:15:46.339: Server name is CHRIS-PC

137812 Initialising TCP/IP server

137890 Initialising IPX/SPX server

137890 IPX/SPX socket() failed [Error=10047] Address family not supported by protocol family

137890 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

137890 Initialising UDP/IP server

138296 Broadcasting service every 1000 mSecs

149140 Restarting service due to total lack of use

149140 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

Same as before there. I have no Firewalls active on either machine at the moment and I can guarantee that. I am running a BT Home Hub Mark I if it makes any difference there.

Chris

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I did - that seemed to work thanks. And FS is now doing a lot of refreshes with when I have WideClient loaded...could that be a sign that the two are "talking" to each other partially?

No.

What do you mean by "refreshes"? There should be no noticeable effect of having WideFS running.

I'm sorry, but there is most certainly something blocking your Network. I'm afraid I have no idea what it is, but neither end is seeing anything from the other on Port 8002. In the 12 years of WideFS this has always meant either a broken network or a firewall problem.

Pete

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I mean as in it keeps redrawing the screen on the sim. It could be a broken network - the main reason I bought WideFS was because my home PC (the one with FS on), can not connect to the internet - it can only connect locally to the network. It has no other issues though - I have full read/write access on both machines from both machines - just the PC does not get the internet gateway for some reason.

Do you think this could be it Pete? Sorry I didn't mention before as I thought it was irrelevant.

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I mean as in it keeps redrawing the screen on the sim.

Really? Ouch. You've got something really weird going on there. What sort of frame rates are you getting them? Must be down near zero! (Shift+Z twice for frame rates).

It could be a broken network - the main reason I bought WideFS was because my home PC (the one with FS on), can not connect to the internet - it can only connect locally to the network. It has no other issues though - I have full read/write access on both machines from both machines - just the PC does not get the internet gateway for some reason.

Are you using fixed IP addresses, or letting a router assign them? Possibly the router has some settings restricting access. If you are using fixed IP addresses and have the Gateway IP address entered correctly in both PCs you sohuld be able to see the Internet on both.

Do you think this could be it Pete? Sorry I didn't mention before as I thought it was irrelevant.

It could well be related. When you say "I have full read/write access on both machines from both machines", what exactly do you mean? Just that Windows Explorer can see the folders on the other PC and can read and write to them? Surely only on those you've shared, not on them all?

Anyway, we know the broadcast from the Server to the client works. That's on port 9002. I wonder if somehow you have port 8002 closed, either in Vista's settings or in the router. Maybe you could change it to, say, 9003, in both WideServer.INI and WideClient.INI and see if that works around it?

I'm grasping at straws here I'm afraid. Whenever I've had Network problems I've had to seek help from folks who know Networks -- Katy Pluta is pretty good. She occasionally visits the FSX Forum here, maybe the FS2004 Forum too. In the worst cases of problems I've had I've uninstalled the complete netwrok, reset the modem/router, and started again -- with success, I might add.

I've also had two NIC (Network) cards go down on me. These days all motherboards have Ethernet ports and they do seem more reliable.

Regards

Pete

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Hi Pete,

I actually have the whole drive shared as I use it on the network for other things besides FS. I have only recently started using the PC again and found this problem that it wouldn't connect at all. I have trawled many many forums and knowledge bases to find out why, and have changed the PC to a fixed IP address and specified the gateway, etc. After I did this, the computer connected but in local mode only...it is very puzzling to say the least - and my Vista DVD is lost so I can't even restore the installation :-(

I will try your other suggestion about changing the port and see if that works. If not I will buy a decent firewall or even just download ZoneAlarm and activate the relevant port on that - at the moment I have only Windows Firewall on both machines and disabled it prior to testing the connection with WideFS...maybe it remembers port blocking?

Framerates generally are pretty good - but at the moment when I try having WideFS open they are terrible (although I haven't flown yet with WideFS open - I have only been testing it on stand). When WideFS is not open then I get 15-20fps with high intensity scenery selected.

Will post results of the port change shortly...and I didn't realise Katy was still around - I remember her from the days of Simflight newsgroups!!! lol

Thanks for your continued help Pete.

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Results:

********* WideClient Log [version 6.75] Class=FS98MAIN *********

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 18:20:58.228: Client name is CHRIS-LAPTOP

312 Attempting to connect now

328 Trying TCP/IP host "Chris-PC" port 9003 ...

328Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

1342 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10061] Connection refused

1342 Ready to try connection again

2371 Attempting to connect now

3401 New Client Application: "ASv6" (Id=1676)

60622 Trying TCP/IP host "Chris-PC" port 9003 ...

60622Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

130167 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10060] Connection timed out

130167 Ready to try connection again

131181 Attempting to connect now

131181 Trying TCP/IP host "Chris-PC" port 9003 ...

131181Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

132227 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10061] Connection refused

132227 Ready to try connection again

133241 Attempting to connect now

154457 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10060] Connection timed out

154457 Ready to try connection again

155518 Attempting to connect now

156516 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10061] Connection refused

156516 Ready to try connection again

157577 Attempting to connect now

192677 Trying TCP/IP host "Chris-PC" port 9003 ...

192677Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.90

196187 ****** End of session performance summary ******

196187 Total time connected = 0 seconds

196187 Reception maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

196187 Transmission maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

196187 Max receive buffer = 0, Max send depth = 0, Send frames lost = 0

196187 **************** Individual client application activity ****************

196187 Client 1676 requests: 120 (Ave 120/sec), Data: 6480 bytes (6480/sec), Average 54 bytes/Process

196187 ********* Log file closed (Buffers: MaxUsed 1, Alloc 120 Freed 120 Refused 0) *********

********* WideServer.DLL Log [version 6.75] *********

Blocksize guide = 4096 (double allowed)

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 18:20:07.977: Server name is CHRIS-PC

138328 Initialising TCP/IP server

138343 Initialising IPX/SPX server

138359 IPX/SPX socket() failed [Error=10047] Address family not supported by protocol family

138359 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

138359 Initialising UDP/IP server

138359 Broadcasting service every 1000 mSecs

149671 Restarting service due to total lack of use

149671 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

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Right folks, I found my disk and reinstalled Windows Vista on the Server PC. I now have working internet WOOHOO! These are the logs now:

********* WideClient Log [version 6.75] Class=FS98MAIN *********

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 21:15:47.304: Client name is CHRIS-LAPTOP

296 Attempting to connect now

312 Trying TCP/IP host "Chris-PC" port 8002 ...

312Okay, IP Address = 192.168.1.67

19328 New Client Application: "ACARS" (Id=2812)

21309 Error on client pre-Connection Select() [Error=10060] Connection timed out

21309 Ready to try connection again

22355 Attempting to connect now

59327 ****** End of session performance summary ******

59327 Total time connected = 0 seconds

59327 Reception maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

59327 Transmission maximum: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

59327 Max receive buffer = 0, Max send depth = 0, Send frames lost = 0

59327 **************** Individual client application activity ****************

59327 Client 2812 requests: 110 (Ave 110/sec), Data: 4708 bytes (4708/sec), Average 42 bytes/Process

59327 ********* Log file closed (Buffers: MaxUsed 1, Alloc 110 Freed 110 Refused 0) *********

********* WideServer.DLL Log [version 6.75] *********

Blocksize guide = 4096 (double allowed)

Date (dmy): 28/10/08, Time 21:15:03.479: Server name is CHRIS-PC

86609 Initialising TCP/IP server

86609 Initialising IPX/SPX server

86609 IPX/SPX socket() failed [Error=10047] Address family not supported by protocol family

86609 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

86609 Initialising UDP/IP server

86812 Broadcasting service every 1000 mSecs

97719 Restarting service due to total lack of use

97719 Failed to start IPX/SPX Server

104359 Closing down now ...

Memory managed: Offset records: 0 alloc, 0 free

Read buffer usage: 0 alloc, 0 free, max in session: 0

Write buffer usage: 0 alloc, 0 free, max in session: 0

Throughput maximum achieved: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

Throughput average achieved for complete session: 0 frames/sec, 0 bytes/sec

********* Log file closed *********

I must be almost there, surely?

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Framerates generally are pretty good - but at the moment when I try having WideFS open they are terrible

Well that's a sure indication all in not well in the Server PC. WideFS should have no measurable impact on your FS performance. My cockpit runs with at least 8 and often 10 PCs linked via WideFS, all pretty busy with several FSUIPC-interfacing applications on each, and there is no noticeable difference in the frame rates with it enabled or disabled.

It sounds as if all the time is being spent deep in the Windows TCP/IP stacks try to recover from some problem or other, and not succeeding.

In view of this I would doubt that changing ports will accomplish anything. Something else is wrong. I would really recommend first trying to uninstall and re-install all of the Network components of the system, to try to recover from any corruption.

[LATER]

I just saw your subsequent message. You went even further than I recommended then!

Sowhat's blocking it now? Firewalls again?

Regards

Pete

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