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Dear Gents,

it really drives me crazy, that I am not able to configure my ch throttle properly.

First. I am using FSX Deluxe on a Vista Home Premium 64Bit System.

Fsuipc is the latest 4.40

CH Software is not installed (it was, but didn't work either).

All my CH product are therefore calibrated via the Vista calibration tool itself.

I followed exactly the instructions in flyboy2002 pdf/manual. (so the fsx processing is off / everything is handled by Fsuipc)

The Manual is just perfect, no problems at all.

BUT, I am just not able to bring the 4 throttle levers to the same behavior: (I only fly 747s) Throttle Nr 1 works best, as he really starts to increase engine power from the beginning (I mean from the 0 position, above thrust reverse)

all the others show a reaction in enginepower after I aprox moved them 1-3cm forward (within this 1-3cm range nothing happens). So my 4 levers are never synchronized (parallel) and therefore its very difficult to fly the 747 manually. As my English is very limited I described my problem as good as possible, I hope someone can help me.

here is the ini file (fresh rebuilt) - the fsx installation is also only 2 days old, as I had troubles with another 3rd party program.

[General]

History=91VLCIQ79YIYZ5MFYNG1D

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

FixControlAccel=No

FixMachSpeedBug=No

VisibilityOptions=No

OneCloudLayer=No

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

GenerateCirrus=No

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

MaxIce=-4

MinIce=-4

UpperWindGusts=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SuppressWindVariance=No

WindTurbulence=No

TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

SuppressAllGusts=No

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

WindSmoothing=No

WindSmoothness=2

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

PressureSmoothness=0

TemperatureSmoothness=0

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

WhiteMessages=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

MagicBattery=No

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

ClockSync=No

ClockSyncMins=5

ClearWeatherDynamics=No

OwnWeatherChanges=No

TimeForSelect=4

LoadFlightMenu=No

LoadPlanMenu=No

PauseAfterCrash=No

SaveDataWithFlights=No

ZapSound=firework

ShortAircraftNameOk=No

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

AxisCalibration=No

DirectAxesToCalibs=No

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

AxisIntercepts=No

WeatherReadFactor=2

WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

CustomWeatherModify=No

SimConnectStallTime=1

Console=No

[AutoSave]

AutoSaveEnabled=No

[GPSout]

GPSoutEnabled=No

Port=

Speed=4800

Interval=1000

PosTo6Decimal=Yes

Sentences=

[WideServer]

WideFSenabled=Yes

[Axes]

0=0X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

3=1Y,256,D,9,0,0,0

4=1Z,256,D,10,0,0,0

5=1R,256,D,23,0,0,0

6=1U,256,D,11,0,0,0

7=1V,256,D,12,0,0,0

8=2X,256,D,7,0,0,0

9=2Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

10=2Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

[JoystickCalibration]

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-16253,0,512,16383

Elevator=-16384,0,512,16383

Rudder=-16384,0,512,16383

LeftBrake=-16384,0/16

RightBrake=-16384,0/16

Throttle1=-16384,512,2573,16316

Throttle2=-16384,-11289,512,16383

Throttle3=-16384,-10697,512,16248

Throttle4=-16249,-10475,512,16249

Spoilers=-16384,16314

Flaps=-16246,16383

[buttons]

1=P0,5,C66080,0

2=P0,4,C66079,0

5=P0,8,K83,8

6=P0,9,C66167,0

7=P0,1,C65655,0

8=P0,0,C65656,0

9=P0,3,C65789,0

10=P0,2,C65790,0

12=R0,32,C66416,0

13=R0,33,C66416,45

14=R0,34,C66416,90

15=R0,35,C66416,135

16=R0,36,C66416,180

17=R0,37,C66416,225

18=R0,38,C66416,270

19=R0,39,C66416,315

21=U0,10,C65607,0

22=U0,11,C65615,0

23=P0,10,C65607,0

24=P0,11,C65615,0

and the log file

********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.40 by Pete Dowson *********

Reading options from "E:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Modules\FSUIPC4.ini"

User Name="H Hxxxx"

User Addr="hxxxxxx@gxxxxx.at"

FSUIPC4 Key is provided

WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired

Running inside FSX on Windows Vista (SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07)

Module base=61000000

Wind smoothing fix is fully installed

DebugStatus=15

5500 System time = 09:14:27

5500 FLT UNC path = "C:\Users\Hxxxx\Documents\Flight Simulator X-Dateien\"

5500 FS UNC path = "E:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\"

6609 LogOptions=00000000 00000001

6609 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay

28719 Running in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X", Version: 10.0.61472.0 (SimConnect: 10.0.61259.0)

28719 Initialising SimConnect data requests now

28719 FSUIPC Menu entry added

28766 c:\users\hxxxx\documents\flight simulator x-dateien\747 start.FLT

28766 E:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG747-400\B747-400.AIR

154719 Weather Mode now = Custom

154719 C:\Users\Hxxxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\Vorheriger Flug.FLT

191375 System time = 09:17:33, FSX time = 09:14:50 (18:14Z)

191531 Aircraft="PMDG747-400 OASIS HONG KONG"

196203 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled

223156 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 27 secs = 12.6 fps

315953 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 36 secs = 11.4 fps

320078 System time = 09:19:41, FSX time = 09:15:59 (18:15Z)

320078 *** FSUIPC log file being closed

Average frame rate for running time of 64 secs = 12.0 fps

Memory managed: 88 Allocs, 88 Freed

********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

best regards from Austria

kalister

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CH Software is not installed (it was, but didn't work either).

CH's own software, for their own products, doesn't work? Are you sure it isn't a hardware problem, then? Sounds rather odd.

BUT, I am just not able to bring the 4 throttle levers to the same behavior: (I only fly 747s) Throttle Nr 1 works best, as he really starts to increase engine power from the beginning (I mean from the 0 position, above thrust reverse)

all the others show a reaction in enginepower after I aprox moved them 1-3cm forward (within this 1-3cm range nothing happens).

3 cm? I didn't think CH quadrants had much more movement than that in any case! Isn't that about half way?

Do the "IN" numbers in the Calibration (or Assignment) Tabs or FSUIPC change in that first 1-3 cm range? If so you should be able to calibrate them better in FSUIPC. If not then there's nothing FSUIPC can do -- if it sees no changes it cannot act upon them. You'd need to determine if its a hardware problem or just Vista's calibration not good enough.

So my 4 levers are never synchronized (parallel) and therefore its very difficult to fly the 747 manually.

Well 3 cm i a lot of discrepancy, but if you view cockpit videos of real aircraft you will often see that, for the same engine thruast, the levers are seldom exactly in line together. When flying manually (which is of course mostly only during takeoff and landing) the pilot/copilot has to manage to move the throttles in something less than a straight line.

Provided you can get them closer than your 1-3cm, if you still find it difficult you could use the throttle sync facility provided via Hot Key in FSUIPC. That copies throttle 1 to all 4 engines and ignores throttle 2-4 inputs, and can be toggled on and off as you desire.

But, wait, looking at the calibration you have made in FSUIPC:

Throttle1=-16384,512,2573,16316

Throttle2=-16384,-11289,512,16383

Throttle3=-16384,-10697,512,16248

Throttle4=-16249,-10475,512,16249

The numbers there are:

max reverse thrust, min idle zone, max idle zone, max forward thrust

You are using the throttles with a reverse zone (you intended this I assume? -- if not see below). The reverse zone seems very large on Throttle 1 compared with the others, and Throttles 2-4 have huge Idle zones, compared with the very very small one on Throttle 1. Did you do this deliberately?

If your throttle axis inputs were behaving in anything like a similar manner, I would simply advise you to copy the Throttle1 numbers above to the other three, to make them all the same. bit if, as it looks, there's a huge disparity in how #1 behaves compared to the others, you have to resolve that instead. That would be in the Vista calibration or the hardware itself.

If you don't want the reverse zone on the throttles you can now easily eliminate that using an option in the current interim update for FSUIPC (see in the FSX Downloads Announcement above).

Regards

Pete

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