rap777 Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Hi Pete! Just a quick question for something I could not find using the Forum search. I build a two engine Throttle quadrant using Lea Bodnars card http://www.leobodnar.com/forum/index.php It works almost perfect. I calibrated using FSUIPC mode (bypassing FSX controls altogether. When calibrating it reads the full range of the pot Throttle,Prop and Mixture) on both engines I.e Throttle one reads -16030 to 16320 but in the sim, the first quarter of the throttle movement is ignored (it starts reading from -2090) ? Once it starts reading the inputs it is very smooth and precise though? Is there a way of forcing FSX to recognize the whole range of inputs? I hope this makes sense to you! Many thanks for FSUIPC (registered version) once again Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 When calibrating it reads the full range of the pot Throttle,Prop and Mixture) on both engines I.e Throttle one reads -16030 to 16320 These are the INput values? The OUTput should be from -16383 to + 16383. Are you not seeing that? Have you not calibrated, leaving a small "dead" zone at each extreme to ensure you can reach the minimum and maximum values? but in the sim, the first quarter of the throttle movement is ignored (it starts reading from -2090) ? Once it starts reading the inputs it is very smooth and precise though? Is there a way of forcing FSX to recognize the whole range of inputs? It will if that is what it sees. When you assigned the axes in FSUIPC's Axis assignments, did you assign "direct to FSUIPC" or to the normal FS axis controls? Try assigning them direct, THEN calibrate in FSUIPC. It sounds as if you've not done this. If you still have problems, please show me the [Axes] and [JoystickCalibration] sections from the FSUIPC4.INI file (in the FSX Modules folder). Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rap777 Posted January 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 When calibrating it reads the full range of the pot Throttle,Prop and Mixture) on both engines I.e Throttle one reads -16030 to 16320 These are the INput values? The OUTput should be from -16383 to + 16383. Are you not seeing that? Have you not calibrated, leaving a small "dead" zone at each extreme to ensure you can reach the minimum and maximum values? but in the sim, the first quarter of the throttle movement is ignored (it starts reading from -2090) ? Once it starts reading the inputs it is very smooth and precise though? Is there a way of forcing FSX to recognize the whole range of inputs? It will if that is what it sees. When you assigned the axes in FSUIPC's Axis assignments, did you assign "direct to FSUIPC" or to the normal FS axis controls? Try assigning them direct, THEN calibrate in FSUIPC. It sounds as if you've not done this. If you still have problems, please show me the [Axes] and [JoystickCalibration] sections from the FSUIPC4.INI file (in the FSX Modules folder). Regards Pete Hi Pete! Thanks for your quick response! Here is the section of the ini file you have requested! [Axes] 0=0X,256,D,1,0,0,0 1=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 2=0Z,256,D,4,0,0,0 3=0R,256,D,3,0,0,0 4=0U,256,D,6,0,0,0 5=0V,256,D,7,0,0,0 6=0S,256,D,5,0,0,0 7=0T,256,D,8,0,0,0 8=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0 9=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 10=2X,256,D,10,0,0,0 11=2Y,256,D,9,0,0,0 12=2Z,256,D,21,0,0,0 13=2R,256,D,17,0,0,0 14=2U,256,D,28,0,0,0 15=2V,256,D,18,0,0,0 16=2S,256,D,14,0,0,0 17=2T,256,D,13,0,0,0 18=17T,512,D,14,0,0,0 [JoystickCalibration] ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes SepRevsJetsOnly=No ApplyHeloTrim=No FlapsSetControl=0 FlapDetents=No ReverserControl=66292 Reverser1Control=66422 Reverser2Control=66425 Reverser3Control=66428 Reverser4Control=66431 MaxThrottleForReverser=256 AileronTrimControl=66731 RudderTrimControl=66732 CowlFlaps1Control=66162 CowlFlaps2Control=66163 CowlFlaps3Control=66164 CowlFlaps4Control=66165 SteeringTillerControl=0 MaxSteerSpeed=60 Aileron=-16253,-2210,-650,15744 Elevator=-14823,-2210,-1690,16256 SlopeRudder=4 Throttle=-16384,16383 LeftBrake=-16384,16128 RightBrake=-16384,16383 Rudder=-16384,0,256,15488 PropPitch=-16384,16383 Mixture=-16384,16383 CowlFlaps1=1920,16256 CowlFlaps2=1920,16256 CowlFlaps3=1920,16256 CowlFlaps4=1920,16256 Throttle1=-15773,-512,512,15168 Throttle2=-16319,-512,512,14592 Mixture1=-16351,8192,8192,15200 Mixture2=-16287,8192,8192,16352 PropPitch1=-16351,0,512,16352 PropPitch2=-16351,0,512,16352 ElevatorTrim=-16223,-512,512,16320 Rudder Trim=-16255,-512,512,16383 What I find interesting that FSUIPC during the calibration routine "sees" the wholr throttle range i.e the value changes during the whole travel of the throttle input but in the simulater it reaches "Zero throttle when I still have 1/4 throttle travel left even after repeated calibration. It may be a FSX limitation though (or the pods I used??) I use direct to FSUIPC mode. I used 100 K pods when constructing the throttle. I used a reduction that uses about 250 degrees (Pretty much the full range of the pod) I really apreciate your advise! Kind regards Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Throttle=-16384,16383 Throttle1=-15773,-512,512,15168 Throttle2=-16319,-512,512,14592 Mixture1=-16351,8192,8192,15200 Mixture2=-16287,8192,8192,16352 PropPitch1=-16351,0,512,16352 PropPitch2=-16351,0,512,16352 What I find interesting that FSUIPC during the calibration routine "sees" the wholr throttle range i.e the value changes during the whole travel of the throttle input but in the simulater it reaches "Zero throttle when I still have 1/4 throttle travel left even after repeated calibration. It may be a FSX limitation though Two important points here: 1. You have a generic all-engine throttle calibrated on Page 1 as well as two independent throttles on Page 3 of FSUIPC's calibrations. You shouldn't do that. Either use one throttle or separate throttles. 2. You seem to be missing the point of the separate engine calibration facilities. When you look at the calibration page, don't you see "Reverse" on the left and "Idle" in the centre? There are reverse, centre and forward zones for throttles, mixture settings and prop pitch. The part of the lever movement you are "missing" is that which, with an appropriate equipped aircraft, you get reverse thrust, conditioning or pitch settings. You appear to have rather ignored the instructions, the steps to successful calibration, provided in the FSUIPC user guide, as you most certainly have not calibrated a centre IDLE zone at all -- the two centre values appear to be defaulting! The whole point of providing a method of setting the centre/idle values is so that you can put that where you like! You've just left it where it happened to fall -- 1/4 of the way on your lever movement, apparently. Please please please do look at what the screen shows and make use of the documented facilities to achieve EXACTLY whatever it is you want to do! If you want no reverse zones on the axes, just check that option. If you don't see the option to do this, you have an old version of FSUIPC and need to update. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rap777 Posted February 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 Hi Pete! Thank you very much for your patient! After re reading the manual and your explanation I got it working! My problem was the "assumption" that if you do not set a "center dead-zone you simply do not have a center dead-zone which was not needed in my case....now that I have finally figured out that you must set a center dead-zone i got it working!!!! It must be difficult conveying your fast knowledge and experience to ignorant people like myself (I did read the manual but only began to comprehend it after your second post, sorry about that) Once again, Thank you for a great program and great support!!! Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted February 1, 2009 Report Share Posted February 1, 2009 My problem was the "assumption" that if you do not set a "center dead-zone you simply do not have a center dead-zone which was not needed in my case....now that I have finally figured out that you must set a center dead-zone i got it working!!!! Good. I take it you still want the reverse zone? If not you would find it easier to simply check the option for no reverse zone, and then there would be no centre zone to set, just a max and min. The option for 'no reverse' are on each of the 4 throttle / 4 mixture / 4 prop pitch pages, and are independent for each of the three controls. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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