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FSC 8.5 as an ATC radar.

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I am currently using the prog as an ATC radar, but seem to only get radar contacts out to 40 miles and could do with more range. Does anybody have any ideas to increase coverage?

kind regards,

John

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I have a slight suspicion that you might not be quite right, as I have another radar that shows contacts at much greater range than FSC. It is such a pity, because in FSC and with a few tweaks, there is another superb program just waiting to be developed and a market in which to sell it. (Are you listening Volker? :-) I would happily be the first purchaser!

Another question here. Using FSC as an ATC radar, is there any any way of stopping the display from being just centred on that aircraft? Another use would be when trying to scroll ahead of the flightpath to select VOR's or other navaids.

Thanks for your help and reply. Please come back if you can think of anything else.

best regards,

John

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Hello,

If u speak french, and if u want the best of the best ATC program, goto this address: http://www.rasasso.org/telechargement/tements.php

or if u speak french contact directly this programmer to upgrade to version 2.05 [mo-drmn.benle@wanadoo.fr]

This program is similar to IVAC from IVAO and work on FSInn. U can view aircraft as far as 1,500 n.m.

Good flight

stlo

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Hi John,

Things are a bit more complex, so I will try to explain the details.

FS Commander reads the information on AI and multiplayer aircraft from the data provided by fsuipc. Essentially, there are two types of restrictions. The first concerns the amount of data being fed into fsuipc by the online server. In the case of IVAO this is restricted to a 40-60nm range. I have no idea what this value is with VATSIM, but I suspect strongly that they also have some kind of limit. The reason for this limitation is fairly obvious. If IVAO/VATSIM were to feed all online aircraft onto each of the currently active multiplayers, then this would be a tremendous burden on the server. Frequently you have several hundred active aircraft. Suppose you have 300. Then the server would have to constantly send 300x300 packages of information. So this limitation makes sense since it reduces the processing load on the server.

The other restriction concerns fsuipc itself. While fsuipc allows you to set the TCAS range to 0 (which means no limit at all), the module itself can currently only handle 96 aircraft which includes aircraft on the ground, aircraft flying, "sleeping" or inactive aircraft, etc. Obviously, when these 96 slots are full, no further aircraft can be handled.

In other words, we can only display what we get from fsuipc. If the online server has some kind limitation or if fsuipc rejects certain multiplayer aircraft because of the 96 slot restriction, there is nothing we can do. That, this limit is not built into FS Commander but comes from outside.

The only thing you can change is set the TCAS range in fsuipc to 0. The rest is, so to speak, God given.

Regards

Sascha

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That is a very useful and informative reply, for which I thank you. However, I wasn't thinking of LVAO or VATSIM, but our old friend Gamespy. Using even FSX itself, I get over 80 miles of radar range, but this is not really usable, as the Airfields and VOR's have reduced to pinpricks by this point. If FSC could get this same range, it would be wonderful as the symbology is far superior (Compass roses around the VOR's, ILS feathers, clickable utility info etc.) and gives both controllers and pilots a far better experience and confidence level. As it stands, FSC would be the very best tool for ATC work if that range could even equal that shown by others, such as FSX or the Eric Marciano add on radar. I sense that FSC has been set up for LVAO or VATSIM but as a consequence,is missing the enormous impact it might have if the radar range was improved for FSX and Gamespy. The only other improvement I might think of would be Aircraft tags with more comprehensive information. If there is any way that I could improve the range, it would make life so much easier and more enjoyable for all session users. I may have sold another copy of FSC tonight on your behalf, as so many others are interested in using it as an ATC utility. The FSX tower complete with all of its features would be a great place to be - if only it worked. I think that a tweaked and optiised FSC would reach out to a new market, but that radar range is critical.

kind regards,

John

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Hi John,

Thanks for your reply.

As I indicated in my original answer, we can only process the information provided by fsuipc. In other words, there is nothing inside FS Commander which would allow us to increase or decrease the range. The only possibility you have as a user is to set the TCAS range in fsuipc to 0 (= no range limit at all).

The same holds true for the information in the aircraft label. Fsuipc only provides departure, destination, altitude and ground speed. And these we all use. Transponder code e.g. is not provided, but there is nothing we can do.

Regards

Sascha

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Thanks Sacha,

that is very helpful. I will direct my efforts towards FSUIPC now though from what you say, my understanding now, is that the FSX and add on radar that I use are not using FSUIPC and that their data is directed from FSX itself, thus allowing superior range. Thanks once more. I use FSC pretty much every day and it still delights me with its' capabilities. Keep up the good work!

I will try yout suggested tweak when I get a little more time and report back. Thanks once more.

kind regards,

John

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