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Hi,

I have been away from the sim scene for about 2 1/2 years now and a bit rusty on the tech bit.

I have some probabaly basic qustions and since they relate to multiple use of programs I thought best to start here in one place.

1) How do I set up a flight plan in FS9 with SIDS STARS and use VOX ATC and then MSFX.

VOXATC has a set of SIDS /STARS in its programe so which do I choose to use

2) VOXATC has to use Navaid and I understand some standard files come with it. Is this correct and what files is FS9 using to reference its info and where are they stored

3) Can I use these files for FS9 if they are the same ones.

4) Quick guide to a flight plan from a- b ie an abbreviated setup. For example start by composing the flight plan in FS9 then...... if that is the correct and easiest way without being complicated.

In the end I am trying to teach myself to navigate from a-b with ATC instructions and near proper comms using the airways and VOR system. I dont use GPS because I have found it boring compared with the old ways. This seems more interseting as there is more to go wrong and you are busy.

Thank you

Any help very welcome

Regards

David

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Hi David,

1. VoxATC will give you SID/STARs at the appropriate time. You don't have to choose any beforhand.

2. and 3. Vox ATC and FC9 use Navigraph NavData (http://www.navigraph.com/ ). Important: the cycle has to be the same for both (right now it's 1304). FC9 and Vox have different formats. What formats to use and where to put them is in their manuals.

4. Do you mean FC9 (not FS9)? I posted at AVSIM about how to load an FP into FSX and start Vox: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/389273-flightplan-and-voxatc/

Regards

Andreas

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Andreas,

Thank you for the reply it is most helpful and yes I did mean FS9.

By the way the latest version of VOX ATC 16.6 has a problem so I am told by the developer Tegwyn and that is "You must load a flight plan before starting VOX ATC 16.6" or it will not respond. I understand this will be fixed next issue.

Thanks again

David

I shall go to the other forum and read more.

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Andreas,

Having looked at this again I have tried saving a simple flight plan in FS9 and when I go to save it or sae as there is a run time error.

Your instructions on the forum seem to suggest that no SIDS or Stars are in serted by the planner it automatically done by VOX. I am new to this but I would have thougth the pilot would have chosen their prefered SIDS /STARS. Is this not the case is it always done by ATC and in this case VOX. Using FS9 seems a lot better than MSFX to create a flight plan as the map is more deatiled and bigger and easier to see.

So can I create in FS 9 export in FSX format given I can overcome the runtime error then save the plan in SFX then load VOX ( as 6.16 wont work unless it is loaded after the flight plan).

Will then all SID STARS appear as chosen with the route on the FS9 map ? Will VOX then use these chosen ones or its own?

Thanks again

David

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Dave,

first you have to overcome your runtime error when saving the fp.

FSC has to know at least these locations for saving fps (put these into FSC Save/Load Flight Plan, Paths):

FS Commander: I have c:\program files\aerosoft\fsc9\flightplan\fsc

Flight Simulator X: your root folder of FSX

FSX Flight plans: ...\yourname\documents\flight simulator x files

Now both FSC and FSX can read the fp.

To get Vox going you have to (1) load the fp (a .PLN file you created with FSC) and (2) SAVE the situation once your plane is at the right place (this will create a .FLT file). I am not aware that this is a "problem" with Vox that has to be fixed, it's SOP.

As for SID/STARs: Strictly speaking these are not part of the fp. The IFR plan you file begins with the first waypoint and ends with the last. SID/STARs will be assigned to you by ATC depending on weather/runway in use/traffic etc. PMDG e.g. will remove any SID/STARs from your fp when you load a company route into their FMC.

Regards,

Andreas

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Andreas,

Thank you for your reply and I have fixed the error message, however I can now compile a flight plan in FC9 and save it in FX format which appears in the user /doc etc folder as expected. It is also available in the FX flight planner under load button again as expected, BUT it does not register and fails to appear in the overall main flight plan which I am compiling in SFX. It just does not appear when asked to load in the destination windows unlike all other plans. It has the suffix .PLN and when in the doc file of user one tries to edit it with notepad all the relevant info is in there and editable so its not an empty container or shell.

Any idea why is the question because i am nearly there with learning this process and thought i had it cracked until this !!

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David,

I'm afraid I don't understand your problems.

You have to be a lot more specific about what you mean by "it does not register and fails to appear in the overall main flight plan which I am compiling in SFX . It just does not appear when asked to load in the destination windows unlike all other plans."

What are you trying to "compile in FSX"?

Who is asking you to "load" what into which "destination window"?

Sorry, but I'm totally confused about what you are trying to do!

Regards,

Andreas

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Hi Andreas,

I am sorry if I am confusing you and will try to be more specific

I will try and show this step by step.

The principals of the procedure are somewhat dictated by two rules which govern the plane that I fly ( Citation Mustang by Flight 1) which states that in order to have as few problems as possible you must load the default trke vehicle plus Friday Harbour scenery FIRST then choose the Mustang and all other scenery options. Choosing all these items first and not defualt can lead to crashes etc. I have a pretty powerful set up ( see below so I have few power/ processing crashes but bugs are still around).

The second item is VOX ATC which when speaking to Tegwyn says this version 6.2 has to be loaded ONLY when all other flight plans and situations are chosen and saved as a flight complete (situation + Plan).

I then complicate the process by wanting to plan the flight in FC9 as it a very useful and powerful tool with lots of room to improve my knowledge of flight planning and processes. So I have tried to create the flight pplan in FC9 which is OK and then export it to MSFX as a .PLN in fx format ( which is ticked) to appear in my flight plan list and be chosen at will for a packaged flight ( plan and situation as Tegwyn put it).

The plan exports from FC9 and appears in my flight plan list ( as shown in my user doc files) BUT when chosen via the flight planner within MSFX it fails to come up in the departure and arrival windows in the planner. They either remain blank or show the previous flight.

When one investigates the PLN file via the docs folder to see if it has any info within you find that the file is complete inside as it is available to be editied say with notepad if you had a reason to.

Now I am told by Tegwyn ( writer of VOXATC) that to use this latest version of VOXATC 6.2 at present you must load this at the end of all processes or it won't work. This will be fixed soon I understand. The complete saved flight as I understand it is in a different place to just the flight plan ( Is this correct ie the flight plan which I refered to above via the planner window). The complete flights appear when you first open the MSFX and in my window panel appear in a brown colour i.e. my saved flights and all one would have to do is choose and go to FLY NOW button and the flight would be loaded complete, no other things to choose or do because its already been done.

So in summary the process I need to do is flight plan in FC9...... start a simple flight in MSFX with trike...choose Mustang and weather and sceney etc etc and a flight plan from the planner window and save the flight as a package. Then choose it from the first brown typed window and when up and running start VOX ATC. This should satisfy all requirements BUT and here is the first hurdle

When I export the flight plan from FC9 to the flight plan folder in MSFX as a FX flight plan it does not load into the flight planner as described above. i.e.no dep or arrival shown in the appropriate windows.

I will stop here as you have probably gotten either bored or fed up and see if I have explained it better than last time.

HEY ANDREAS I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AS YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE ANSWERING AT PRESENT AND I NEED A SOLUTION TO THIS

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Hi David,

I think before everything else you have to make sure that your fpl created by FSC 9.2 is saved to the right paths.

It looks like your fpl created by FSC 9.2 is not correctly saved (or, worse, it's not a valid fpl), otherwise you would see it in the FSX "departure and arrival windows in the planner" if you load the fpl into FSX.

The saving paths are chosen in FSC "Save/Load Flight Plan - Paths". The first 3 items are FS Commander, Flight Simulator X, FSX Flight Plans. I want to see what paths you have put under "Folder" (consult the manual!). Make a screenshot, if possible.

To check if you have it right: Save a fpl in FSC, start FSX and in the opening window (with any girating plane) chose Flghtplanner - Load - filename.PLN. Now you should see dept/arr airports. If you don't see them there is something wrong and it's of no use to go on further. This has to be solved first.

Please advise!

Regards,

Andreas

Attached: My FSC paths

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Andreas,

Have just found the more options button to upload so here they are 7 shots.

I have a two computer setup using SSD'S on the main PC. One is dedicated to the operating system only drive C. There is shown an old mechanical drive kept for safety reasons. The "Do not touch"SSD drive is now redundant. All FSX is on drive F a 500 G SSD. This is networked to a "Shuttle " which runs instruments "Project Magenta Glass Regional Jet " Wide FS, FC9 and Sim charts on a seprate drive for printing approach charts. I am a Mac man mysef and only use PC'S for the sim stuff (thank goodness !). For this reason I have a "Geek" who comes in and does the clever stuff when I hit a brick wall.

I think that because I have a flag that comes up saying "Provide the path to SFX manually" it may have not been correct in he past HOWEVER I beleive I have corrected it as shown on the snaps. What is very odd is that my Flight sim files in my user path show two completly different lists depending where you view them. When viewed directly from the "MY computer " path there are more and when viewed via SFX there are less and also another version of them in the first opening pane of SFX. I have checked the paths after "Save as " when sending these to SFX and they remain correct ( just in case they defaulted to another mode when closing the window).

This I must say now leaves me perplexted as I now think I understand what should happen.

FC9 saves the file in SFX format and sends it to the flight sim folder in MY DOCS path of Users.

I then open that folder via the flight planner window in SFX to choose the plan. Then make all aircraft adjustments and weather etc and the save the plan and the situation OR fly it. If I save the plan + situation it should appear in the first (brown type ) window as you open up SFX. This I beleive is what Tegwyn wants when he says your flight must contain the plan + the situation. Then I would start that and then start VOXATC and all should be fine. You are right however none of this is fact until the plan arrives from FC9 into my flght plan folder.

I hope you have't gone to sleep yet as its quite a reply !

Thank you for your time

Regards

David

i9@ 350 680 Nvidia GTX with 4G ram 3x 27" Dell IPS screens All Go Flight Project Magenta Glass cockpit FC9 Sim Charts Shuttle for instruments.

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Hi David,

thanks for the screenies.

The first and second show the path where FSX reads .PLN files: "c:\users\david\my documents\flight simulator x files".

The sixth shows where FSC saves .PLN files for use by FSX: "c:\users\david butt\documents\flight simulator files".

That's a different path and a different folder! No wonder FSX can't find fpls created by FSC.

I hope this solves this part of your problems.

Regards

Andreas

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Andreas,

Thank you for your reply.

You will be very pleased to hear that I am now getting things working

pretty well. The main problem I had was I use two computers networked

together.

The main one with SSD'S for the scenery and SFX and all the big stuff, and

a "Shuttle" for the instruments and Project Magenta Glass cockpit and FC9.

One big difficulty I was having with FC9 not saving the plans to my

flight plan folder in my docs so where the hell were they?

Because I am a Mac man and use these PC things for flight sim only I

get a "Geek" to help with the clever stuff. As you know you cannot call

a C drive anything else and the O.S System goes on it. Both computers

have a C drive with users David, they both run Win 7.

Yes you guessed it they were on the "Shuttle" C/ Users/ David Butt/

docs/flight sim ……… and not the main PC. This is seen by the "Shuttle"

as Y Drive on the dummy network ( I understand its not really a network so

I am told) so simply direct the path to save the plans to Y:/ users

/David…… and there they are.

The only minor problem I have is at present I am not sure why the plane

is not parked at the park spot ready to start etc even having chosen the

gate and the taxiway. Also how do you pre choose the right runway and

taxiway re wind direction at the planning stage to align with the VOX ATC

directions. Last night I had a different runway and therefore taxiway.

You will be glad that’s this is nearly over and thanks once again for your

patience, however this will give me great pleasure over my more

sedentary years to come when my eyes and brain cannot keep up with the

jets as I am 70 now.

I enclose a couple of shots of my H.Hunter landing at Wroughton. Sometimes that seems easier than this stuff but this stuff doesn't crash and burn !

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Andreas,

Thank you for your reply.

You will be very pleased to hear that I am now getting things working

pretty well. The main problem I had was I use two computers networked

together.

The main one with SSD'S for the scenery and SFX and all the big stuff, and

a "Shuttle" for the instruments and Project Magenta Glass cockpit and FC9.

One big difficulty I was having with FC9 not saving the plans to my

flight plan folder in my docs so where the hell were they?

Because I am a Mac man and use these PC things for flight sim only I

get a "Geek" to help with the clever stuff. As you know you cannot call

a C drive anything else and the O.S System goes on it. Both computers

have a C drive with users David, they both run Win 7.

Yes you guessed it they were on the "Shuttle" C/ Users/ David Butt/

docs/flight sim ……… and not the main PC. This is seen by the "Shuttle"

as Y Drive on the dummy network ( I understand its not really a network so

I am told) so simply direct the path to save the plans to Y:/ users

/David…… and there they are.

The only minor problem I have is at present I am not sure why the plane

is not parked at the park spot ready to start etc even having chosen the

gate and the taxiway. Also how do you pre choose the right runway and

taxiway re wind direction at the planning stage to align with the VOX ATC

directions. Last night I had a different runway and therefore taxiway.

You will be glad that’s this is nearly over and thanks once again for your

patience, however this will give me great pleasure over my more

sedentary years to come when my eyes and brain cannot keep up with the

jets as I am 70 now.

I enclose a couple of shots of my H.Hunter landing at Wroughton. Sometimes that seems easier than this stuff but this stuff doesn't crash and burn !

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Hi David,

I'm glad to hear that most of your problems with FSC have been solved.

As for Vox: "How do you pre choose the right runway and

taxiway re wind direction at the planning stage to align with the VOX ATC

directions. Last night I had a different runway and therefore taxiway."

That's not the way Vox is used. Start your weather program (if you have any), then FSX, activate Vox, listen to ATIS and let Vox's clearance do the choosing for you.

If you have any problems with Vox there is a forum at AVSIM.

Cheers, Andreas

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