GhostRiderOne Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 Hi all, I am looking to enlist the aid from anyone who can help. I am seeing strange things with my rudder pedals. When I run FSX after a while (and sometimes on inital startup) the rudder starts acting crazy going back and forth rapidly. Originally I had CH pedals installed and saw the issue. Figuring my pedals were old and wanting a reason to upgrade I bought the new Saitek Cessna pedals. Unfortunatly I still have the same issue. I am currently running FSUIPC Ver 4.92 and have setup my pedals thru there (yes I ensured I disabled all joysticks in FSX). Went thru the setup and cal for all my stuff including the pedals yet I still have the issue. Whats really strange is the issue also shows up in FSUIPC itself . I see the rudder pedals changing rapidly on the numbers in both directions(-16000 to + 16000). I try to rescan but cant. My only fix right now is to reboot the PC when this happens and then I am good for a while. Any suggestions would be very helpful. Also if you need additional info to help me troubleshoot let me know. Thanks. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Whats really strange is the issue also shows up in FSUIPC itself . I see the rudder pedals changing rapidly on the numbers in both directions(-16000 to + 16000). I try to rescan but cant. My only fix right now is to reboot the PC when this happens and then I am good for a while. Not so strange if the cause is in the hardware or USB drivers someplace. When you say you see it in FSUIPC, do you mean the Axis assignments tab, or in the Calibration? If in the axis assignments, then the cause has to be low level -- hardware or drivers. Since you've eliminated the problem with the pedals themselves then it must be further towards the PC. If you are using a USB hub, try plugging them into a PC USB socket directly. Either way, the fact that it seems okay for some time then starts playing up suggests something to to with temperature or voltage. Whether that's down to the supply voltage, the power supply on the PC, or motherboard problems would be difficvult to determine. If the symptoms are not seen in the assignments tab but only in the calibration tab then it is interference from other assignments or other applications. But then it's odd that it takes time to develop. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRiderOne Posted September 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Peter, Thank for replying. Yes I see it in the axis assignment tab. Also the pedals are going into a USB hub (a 7 port) where I also have my goflight modules plugges into and I sometimes have issues with one of the modules. I will try putting it direct to the PC and let you know how it works out. Honestly I never thought about that possibly being the issue. Will find out later tonight when I get home! Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Church Posted September 30, 2013 Report Share Posted September 30, 2013 Hi GhostRider, Is the Control Manager installed? If it is, is there any possibility that the pedals have been calibrated in Windows, or from within FS9 or FSX (FS seems to allow that under the 64-bit versions of Windows)? Best regards, - Bob The StickWorks http://www.stickworks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRiderOne Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) Bob, Thanks for the tip. I tried it with it installed but no go and I am running Win 7 32 bit. Peter, I tried direct hookup to the PC but I am still having the same issues. I also re-installed FSUIPC just in case but I still have the problem. I also verified that I see the numbers change rapidly in both the axis assignments tab and under the joystick cal tab. And now its instantaneaous no delay. Guess I really messed something up. Just as an FYI you mentioned power supply before. I am runnig a Cosair 750W PS. If you have any other suggestions or want to look at any files let me know. Thanks Mike Edited October 1, 2013 by GhostRiderOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I also re-installed FSUIPC just in case but I still have the problem. Reinstalling FSUIPC can never solve anything as you are simply replacing the DLL with the exact same DLL. I also verified that I see the numbers change rapidly in both the axis assignments tab and under the joystick cal tab. And now its instantaneaous no delay. And does the same thing happen in the Windows "games controller"? (To check that the easiest way is to temporariy re-enable controllers in FSX, via Options-Controls, then select Calibration -Calibrate - Properties - Test. You should probably calibrate there too (Settings - Calibrate or similar). Maybe the registry data for the device is screwed up and calibrating in Windows like that should sort it out if so. Otherwise it is looking seriously like a motherboard or driver issue. I really don't know what to advise. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRiderOne Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) When I calibrated it in windows it was fine no abnormalities seen in windows directly but when I ran FSX I saw it. Forgive me Peter as I am new to the in's and outs of FSUIPC but if I re-enable the joysicks in FSX and calibrate only the rudder in windows and then delete the command for the rudders in FSUIPC it will work? Meaning I can use a combo of both windows and FSUIPC to control my devices not one or the other. If thats the case I may be able to solve my problem "Hopefully" Mike Edited October 1, 2013 by GhostRiderOne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Forgive me Peter as I am new to the in's and outs of FSUIPC but if I re-enable the joysicks in FSX and calibrate only the rudder in windows and then delete the command for the rudders in FSUIPC it will work? Meaning I can use a combo of both windows and FSUIPC to control my devices not one or the other. If thats the case I may be able to solve my problem "Hopefully" Mike You can assign axes in FSX and still calibrate in FSUIPC. In fact for most users that is the normal way. The advantages of assigning in FSUIPC are really for cockpit builders with specialised equipment and those with multiple controls who like to use different ones for different aircraft types (eg Arbus vs Boeing vs. Turboprop vs Helicopter, etc). I'd still like to know why it plays up in FSUIPC, because the values displayed in the Axis Assignments tab are the actual values supplied by Windows and FSUIPC is using the same methods as FSX to read them! Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostRiderOne Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Peter, I'm not sure. Maybe thats my problem all along! That I did not set them up right in windows. I really never gave it a second thought as I went straight to FSUIPC. I may have created this issue entirely myself without realizing it. I will try re-enabling the joysticks in windows & FSX and cal them in FSUIPC and see what the results are. The only thought I have is that I read somewhere that using the Saitek drivers for their throttle quadrant (which I have) was not recommended and it was best to assign and cal in FSUIPC whcih I did. I just figured I would do the rest their too. I will try a few things tonight and let you know. Your help and advice is very much appreciated. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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