Gypsy Baron Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 I have recently begun setting up aircraft-specific sections in my FSUIPC4.INI file for eventual transfer to a new gaming laptop that will use a Logitech G13 'gamepad'. Essentially a programmable keyboard with a mini-joystick. I will be obtaining a new registered copy of FSUIPC4 for this system but am currently tesing my approach on my home desktop system. In the process of creating the new "Keys" section I discovered that, unlike the "Buttons" section, comments appended to the entries are being removed whenever I reload that section. The same is true of the "Axis" and "Joystick Calibration" sections also. In the past I have not had any reason to add comments in the "Keys" sections as all my customization has been done via the "Buttons" entries, but with the G13 being seen as a keyboard I needed to create a rather lengthy and complex "Keys": section for the aircraft I will primarily be flying on the new laptop while away on my many travels. Currently I have to save a copy of my INI file with the added comments and use that copy to make any changes. I then have to replace the actual INI file with a copy of this saved copy. It would be nice if the comments were retained in the "Keys" section. Actually retention in all sections would be ideal. This statement from the Advanced Users Guide in the section discussing Button programming is what I would like to see for the Keys section as well: "You can add comments following a semicolon ( ; ) at the end of the line, and these will be retained." Just to demonstrate my use of the Keys section in which I emulate the 'multiple mode' technique of my current "Buttons" sections, below is a listing of 3 of the 13 unique groups of key assignments that I have defined so far. This should serve to demonstrate my 'need' for comments as well as demonstrate to others what can be accomplished through the use of the Logitech G13 and other programmable keyboard devices. (There is virtually no practical information available for using the G13 in FSX) !0=//----------- C=Control S=Shift Nx=NUMx ------------- !0=//--- KEY ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE G13 MODE 1 G-KEYS ----- !0=//-- G1 G2 G3 G4 G5 G6 G7 !0=//-- C+S+1 C+S+2 C+S+3 C+S+4 C+S+5 C+S+6 C+S+7 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G8 G9 G10 G11 G12 G13 G14 !0=//-- C+S+F5 C+S+F6 C+S+F7 C+S+F8 C+S+F9 C+S+F10 C+S+F11 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G15 G16 G17 G18 G19 !0=//-- S+F5 S+F6 S+F7 S+F8 S+F9 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G20 G21 G22 !0=//-- C+6 C+7 C+8 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- Joy Left Joy Bottom !0=//-- C+F5 C+F7 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//--- KEY ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE G13 MODE 2 G-KEYS ----- !0=//-- G1 G2 G3 G4 G5 G6 G7 !0=//-- 5 6 7 8 9 S+F2 C+S+8 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G8 G9 G10 G11 G12 G13 G14 !0=//-- C+F6 S+F1 C+F11 C+F12 C+S+B C+S+E C+S+J !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G15 G16 G17 G18 G19 !0=//-- C+I C+S+M S+J S+N S+F3 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G20 G21 G22 !0=//-- S+J S+N C+S+W !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- Joy Left Joy Bottom !0=//-- C+F5 C+F7 !0=//--------------------------------------------------- !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- KEY ASSIGNMENTS FOR THE G13 MODE 3 G-KEYS !0=//-- DEFAULT FSK KEY ASSIGNMENTS USED HERE !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G1 G2 G3 G4 G5 G6 G7 !0=//-- F3 F6 S+NUM 4 S+NUM 6 NUM 4 NUM 8 NUM 6 !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G8 G9 G10 G11 G12 G13 G14 !0=//-- F2 F7 S+NUM 8 S+NUM 2 NUM 0 NUM 2 NUM ENT !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G15 G16 G17 G18 G19 !0=//-- G F9 F12 S+F9 NUM 5 !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- G20 G21 G22 !0=//-- NUM * NUM - S+F8 !0=//---------------------------------------------------- !0=//-- Joy Left Joy Bottom !0=//-- CTL+F5 CTL+F7 !0=//---------------------------------------------------- [Keys.Boeing B-17G "Fearless Fosdick" Test] !0=//----------- MODE 0 ----------------- !0=//---- Generators, Batteries, Hydraulic Mode !0=//---- Ignition, Inverter !0=//----------- MODE 0 ----------------- 0=B66C0=0 49,11,M6:13,0 ;//TOGGLE GENERATOR 1 1=B66C0=0 116,11,M6:32,0 ;//APU MACRO 2=B66C0=0 50,11,M6:14,0 ;//TOGGLE GENERATOR 2 3=B66C0=0 117,11,M6:64,1 ;//RADIO POWER 4=B66C0=0 51,11,M6:15,0 ;//TOGGLE GENERATOR 3 5=B66C0=0 118,11,65858,0 ;//PITOT HEAT 6=B66C0=0 52,11,M6:16,0 ;//TOGGLE GENERATOR 4 7=B66C0=0 119,11,66535,0 ;//MASTER IGNITION TOGGLE 8=B66C0=0 53,11,M6:43,1 ;//HYDRAULIC MODE MANUAL 9=B66C0=0 120,11,M6:43,0 ;//HYDRAULIC MODE AUTO 10=B66C0=0 54,11,M6:38,0 ;//INVERTER SWITCH ON 11=B66C0=0 121,11,M6:38,2,M6:38,1 ;//INVERTER OFF / NEUTRAL 12=B66C0=0 55,11,M6:18,1 ;//BATTERY 1 ON MACRO 13=B66C0=0 55,11,M6:19,1 ;//BATTERY 2 ON MACRO 14=B66C0=0 55,11,M6:20,1 ;//BATTERY 3 ON MACRO 15=B66C0=0 122,11,M6:18,0 ;//BATTERY 1 OFF MACRO 16=B66C0=0 122,11,M6:19,0 ;//BATTERY 2 OFF MACRO 17=B66C0=0 122,11,M6:20,0 ;//BATTERY 3 OFF MACRO 18=B66C0=0 55,11,65908,0 ;//PANEL 4 OPEN - CONTROLS 19=B66C0=0 55,11,L17:R,0 ;//START DISP B17G 20=B66C0=0 55,11,L32:R,0 ;//START CALC TRACK !1=//----------- MODE 1 ----------------- !1=//---- Fuel Valves and Pumps, Tail Wheel Lock, Carb Filters !1=//---- Controls Lock, Windows, Parking Brake !1=//----------- MODE 1 ----------------- 30=B66C0=1 49,11,M6:39,0 ;//TOGGLE ENG1 FUEL VALVE 31=B66C0=1 116,11,66340,0 ;//TOGGLE FUEL PUMP 1 32=B66C0=1 50,11,M6:40,0 ;//TOGGLE ENG2 FUEL VALVE 33=B66C0=1 117,11,66341,0 ;//TOGGLE FUEL PUMP 2 34=B66C0=1 51,11,M6:41,0 ;//TOGGLE ENG3 FUEL VALVE 35=B66C0=1 118,11,66342,0 ;//TOGGLE FUEL PUMP 3 36=B66C0=1 52,11,M6:42,0 ;//TOGGLE ENG4 FUEL VALVE 37=B66C0=1 119,11,66343,0 ;//TOGGLE FUEL PUMP 4 38=B66C0=1 53,11,M6:45,1 ;//CONTROLS LOCK ON 39=B66C0=1 53,11,M6:46,1 ;//CONTROLS LOCK ON 40=B66C0=1 54,11,66541,0 ;//TAIL WHEEL LOCK 41=B66C0=1 55,11,M6:44,0 ;//CARB FILTER TOGGLE 42=B66C0=1 120,11,M6:45,0 ;//CONTROLS LOCK OFF 43=B66C0=1 120,11,M6:46,0 ;//CONTROLS LOCK OFF 44=B66C0=1 121,11,M6:81,99 ;//OPEN PILOTS COCKPIT WINDOW 45=B66C0=1 121,11,M6:82,99 ;//OPEN COPILOTS COCKPIT WINDOW 46=B66C0=1 122,11,65752,0 ;//PARKING BRAKES !2=//------ MODE 2 ------------------- !2=//------ Mags, Suit Heaters, Vent !2=//------ MODE 2 ------------------- 50=B66C0=2 49,11,x11000892,x00030001 ;//MAG1 INC 51=B66C0=2 116,11,x21000892,x00000001 ;//MAG1 DEC 52=B66C0=2 50,11,x1100092A,x00030001 ;//MAG2 INC 53=B66C0=2 117,11,x2100092A,x00000001 ;//MAG2 DEC 54=B66C0=2 51,11,x110009C2,x00030001 ;//MAG2 INC 55=B66C0=2 118,11,x210009C2,x00000001 ;//MAG2 DEC 56=B66C0=2 52,11,x11000A5A,x00030001 ;//MAG2 INC 57=B66C0=2 119,11,x21000A5A,x00000001 ;//MAG2 DEC 58=B66C0=2 53,11,M6:83,50 ;//SUIT HEATER 1 50% 59=B66C0=2 54,11,M6:84,50 ;//SUIT HEATER 2 50% 60=B66C0=2 120,11,M6:83,0 ;//SUIT HEATER 1 0% 61=B66C0=2 121,11,M6:84,0 ;//SUIT HEATER 2 0% 62=B66C0=2 55,11,M6:85,100 ;//CABIN VENT OPEN 63=B66C0=2 122,11,M6:86,0 ;//CABIN VENT CLOSE For this aircraft I have 9 "modes" defined by the 0x66C0 offset. Also, the G13 allow me to program three unique sets of keys for the 22 primary keys. For one of those sets I have programmed the default FSX keys for a number of functions. That is my "G13 Mode 3". My G13 Mode 1 and 2 make use of 44 of the unassigned keys in FSX. These then are used to create the 'multiple FSX modes' as shown above. In theory I could wind up with 9 'modes' in each of the first two G13 modes and a single addition mode in the G13 Mode 3 for a total of 19 groups of 22 unique assignments. So you see this can, ney will, become quite complicated and thus my desire for persistent comments. I fly the A2A Simulations "Accu-Sim" warbirds almost exclusively and a great deal of the functionality of those aircraft is down by coding 'outside' of FSX. I use L:Variables extensively to enable a 'push button' environment with my dual Saitek quadrants and most of those sircraft require from 4 to 9 'modes'....hundreds of lines of hand-edited INI entries. Now, creating a 'button-free' setup, I need to se my "Buttons" sections as a guide to creating the new "Keys" sections. Without the existing comments in my "Buttons" section, that task would take a good many hours more than the 16 or 20 hours that I have spent so far. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andydigital Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 I will be obtaining a new registered copy of FSUIPC4 for this system but am currently tesing my approach on my home desktop system. I'm sure Pete would appreciate the extra purchase for another PC but that isn't needed, you are allowed to install FSUIPC on as many PC's as you want as long as they belong to you. The FSUIPC licence is person specific not PC specific, which makes a refreshing change in this day and age of FS developers trying to wring every cent out of its customers.I also remember reading about ini comments being removed before, it may be worth searching for an answer while Pete is still away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Baron Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thanks for the reply Andy. I plan to purchase another copy of FSUIPC4 primarily to support Pete and his efforts, considering the myriad benefits I have reaped over the years by using my current copy :) Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 So you see this can, ney will, become quite complicated and thus my desire for persistent comments. Hi Paul, It's not been requested before, unlike Buttons, so it was never implemented. I also never suspected key presses would ever be so widely used, as usually they merely translate into controls which could better be assigned directly. I'll have a look to see how much work it might be. I'm loathe to disturb too much code -- that's how errors are introduced -- and the code in that area is almost as old as FSUIPC (i.e. 15 years), but if it looks easy and relatively isolated I'll add it -- FSUIPC4 only, though, not FSUIPC3. Not sure when I'll get to it. Still catching up at the moment. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Baron Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Thanks Pete. No hurry.I just received my new gaming laptop and it is going to take me awhile to get it set up. Also, I am heading back to Europe for a couple of weeks on Monday :) Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 FSUIPC version 4.936b, just uploaded to Download Links subforum, retains comments in Keys sections just as in Buttons. Incidentally, you don't actually need ;// at the start, just the ; will do. The same 64 character limit applies, including the ; and a zero terminator. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Baron Posted September 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 FSUIPC version 4.936b, just uploaded to Download Links subforum, retains comments in Keys sections just as in Buttons. Incidentally, you don't actually need ;// at the start, just the ; will do. The same 64 character limit applies, including the ; and a zero terminator. Pete Thank you Pete! I add those 'extra' // marks out of habit, plus they let me see the added comment better. The simi-colons can seem to get lost on my high res monitor :) Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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