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Rudder vs Parking brake A2A Cherokee/Comanche

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After around 20 years of simming I finally decided to use FSUIPC for my controls with my Saitek Quadrant, Yoke and Pedals. Have always had FSUIPC but never used it for controls.

 

Seems I have just about everything set up but am having trouble with toe brakes, rudder and parking brake.  Have tried all kinds of combinations but still, whenever I'm taxiing or even rolling for takeoff suddenly either the left or right toe brake will activate and/or the parking brake will set.  To release the parking brake I have to manually set it and then unset it again.  Toe brakes don't work at all.

 

I'm sure I'm really screwing something up but don't know where.

 

Jeff Even 

Rocklin, CA, USA

 

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Seems I have just about everything set up but am having trouble with toe brakes, rudder and parking brake.  Have tried all kinds of combinations but still, whenever I'm taxiing or even rolling for takeoff suddenly either the left or right toe brake will activate and/or the parking brake will set.  To release the parking brake I have to manually set it and then unset it again.  Toe brakes don't work at all.

 

Unless you assign the parking brake control to something, FSUIPC doesn't touch it. It sounds like you've been assigning all the wrong things. Please show me your FSUIPC4.INI file, from the FS Modules folder. You can paste it into a message here.

 

Pete

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Here it is, Pete.  Thanks for taking a look..

 

Jeff

 

[General]
UpdatedByVersion=4949
History=XD264GBIVJOMDDFY9B5QG
InitDelayDevicesToo=No
NewInterceptTextMenu=No
UseSystemTime=No
UseMidMouseBtn=Yes
MouseWheelMove=No
MouseWheelTrim=No
MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1
JoystickTimeout=20
PollGFTQ6=Yes
BlankDisplays=No
FixControlAccel=No
FixMachSpeedBug=No
DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes
AutoScanDevices=Yes
AssignJoystickIDs=Yes
VisibilityOptions=No
OneCloudLayer=No
CloudTurbulence=Yes
CloudIcing=Yes
GenerateCirrus=Yes
SuppressCloudTurbulence=No
MaxIce=-4
MinIce=-4
UpperWindGusts=No
SuppressWindTurbulence=No
SuppressWindVariance=No
WindTurbulence=No
TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0
TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40
SuppressAllGusts=No
MaxSurfaceWind=20
WindLimitLevel=200
WindDiscardLevel=400
WindAjustAltitude=No
WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000
SmoothBySimTime=No
WindSmoothing=Yes
WindSmoothness=2
WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes
PressureSmoothness=0
TemperatureSmoothness=0
DisconnTrimForAP=No
ZeroElevForAPAlt=No
ThrottleSyncAll=No
WhiteMessages=No
ShowPMcontrols=No
SpoilerIncrement=512
MagicBattery=No
RudderSpikeRemoval=No
ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No
AileronSpikeRemoval=No
ReversedElevatorTrim=No
ClockSync=Yes
ClockSyncMins=5
ClearWeatherDynamics=No
OwnWeatherChanges=No
TimeForSelect=4
LoadFlightMenu=No
LoadPlanMenu=No
PauseAfterCrash=No
BrakeReleaseThreshold=65
SaveDataWithFlights=No
ZapSound=firework
ShortAircraftNameOk=Substring
UseProfiles=Yes
EnableMouseLook=No
DelayedMouseLookZoom=No
AxesWrongRange=No
TCASid=Flight
TCASrange=40
AxisCalibration=No
DirectAxesToCalibs=No
ShowMultilineWindow=Yes
SuppressSingleline=Yes
SuppressMultilineFS=No
AxisIntercepts=No
DontResetAxes=No
InitDelay=0
GetNearestAirports=Yes
OOMcheck=Yes
OOMcheckInterval=10
WeatherReadFactor=2
WeatherRewriteSeconds=1
CustomWeatherModify=No
SimConnectStallTime=1
LuaRerunDelay=66
Console=No
FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61637.0
SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0
 
[JoyNames]
AutoAssignLetters=No
0=Saitek Pro Flight Quadrant
0.GUID={10B71790-2C2A-11E3-8001-444553540000}
1=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke
1.GUID={269DA5B0-18C3-11E0-8001-444553540000}
2=Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
2.GUID={FB92F770-18CD-11E0-8001-444553540000}
 
[Axes]
PollInterval=10
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0X,256,D,4,0,0,0
 
[buttons]
PollInterval=25
ButtonRepeat=20,10
1=P0,1,C65758,0
2=R0,2,C65615,0
 
[MacroFiles]
1=APchart
 
[LuaFiles]
1=ThrottleManager
 
[AutoSave]
Next=1
Interval=60
Files=10
SaveOnGround=No
AutoSaveEnabled=No
 
[GPSout]
GPSoutEnabled=No
Port=COM1
Speed=4800
Interval=2000
PosTo6Decimal=No
SimModeIndicator=No
Sentences=
 
[GPSout2]
GPSoutEnabled=No
Port=<none set>
Speed=4800
Interval=2000
PosTo6Decimal=No
SimModeIndicator=No
Sentences=
 
[WideServer]
WideFSenabled=No
AdvertiseService=1
Port=8002
Port2=9002
 
[sounds]
Path=C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\
Device1=Primary Sound Driver
Device2=WIRELESS HEADSET (3- Wireless Audio)
Device3=1 - Digital Display Audio (AMD High Definition Audio Device)
Device4=Speakers (4- USB  AUDIO  )
Device5=Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Device6=Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 
[Profile.A2A Comanche 250]
1=Piper Pa-24-250 Comanche N822JH
2=Piper Pa-24-250 Comanche N8665R
3=Piper Pa-28-180 Cherokee
4=Piper Pa-24-250 Comanche N7791P
 
[JoystickCalibration]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
LeftBrake=0,0/8
RightBrake=0,0/8
SlopeLeftBrake=-4
SlopeRightBrake=-4
 
[Axes.A2A Comanche 250]
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0Y,256,D,6,0,0,0
1=0Z,256,D,4,0,0,0
2=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0
3=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0
4=2X,256,F,x01000000,0,0,0
5=2Y,256,F,x01000000,0,0,0
6=2R,256,D,3,0,0,0
 
[buttons.A2A Comanche 250]
4=P1,1,C65791,0
6=R0,2,C65615,0
7=P0,0,C65759,0
8=P0,5,C65752,0
 
[Profile.Pilatus PC-12]
1=CARENADO PC12 2
2=CARENADO PC12 4
3=CARENADO PC12 1
 
[Axes.Pilatus PC-12]
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0Y,256,F,65773,0,0,0
1=0Z,256,F,65697,0,0,0
2=1X,256,F,65695,0,0,0
3=1Y,256,F,65694,0,0,0
4=2R,256,F,65696,0,0,0
 
[buttons.Pilatus PC-12]
0=P0,8,C65604,0
1=P0,0,C65759,0
2=P0,1,C65758,0
 
[Profile.Cherokee 180]
1=Piper Pa-28-180 Cherokee 3
2=Piper Pa-28-180 Cherokee 4
 
[Axes.Cherokee 180]
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0X,256,D,4,0,0,0
1=0Y,256,D,6,0,0,0
2=0Z,256,D,4,0,0,0
3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0
4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0
5=2X,256,D,7,0,0,0
6=2Y,256,D,8,0,0,0
7=2R,256,D,3,0,0,0
 
[buttons.Cherokee 180]
0=P0,0,C65759,0
1=R0,2,C65615,0
2=R0,3,C65607,0
 
[Keys.Cherokee 180]
2=68,8,65752,0
 
[JoystickCalibration.Cherokee 180]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
LeftBrake=-16380,16383/8
SlopeLeftBrake=2
RightBrake=-16380,16383/8
SlopeRightBrake=2
 
[JoystickCalibration.Pilatus PC-12]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Throttle=-16380,16380
LeftBrake=-16380,16380/8
SlopeLeftBrake=-3
RightBrake=-16380,16380/8
SlopeRightBrake=-4
Reverser=0,16380/8
 
[JoystickCalibration.A2A Comanche 250]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380/8
SlopeAileron=-4
Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380/8
SlopeElevator=4
Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380/8
SlopeRudder=-3
LeftBrake=0,0
RightBrake=0,0

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Hmm. Let's examine your assignments:

 

Generic assignments, for all aircraft (unless overridden):

 

[Axes]
0=0X,256,D,4,0,0,0 = generic throttle only. No yoke or pedals.
 
[buttons]
1=P0,1,C65758,0 = Flaps incr -- but no complementary Flaps decr! So what use?
2=R0,2,C65615,0 = Elev trip up -- but no complementaery Elev trim down? So again, what use?
 
You have several profiles, but let's just look at the Cherokee:
 
[Axes.Cherokee 180]
0=0X,256,D,4,0,0,0 =throttle
1=0Y,256,D,6,0,0,0 =mixture
2=0Z,256,D,4,0,0,0 =throttle (why two?)
3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0 =aileron
4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 =elevator
5=2X,256,D,7,0,0,0 =left brake
6=2Y,256,D,8,0,0,0 =right brake
7=2R,256,D,3,0,0,0 =rudder
 
[buttons.Cherokee 180]
0=P0,0,C65759,0 =Flaps incr, but still no Flaps decr
1=R0,2,C65615,0 =Elev trim up
2=R0,3,C65607,0 =Elev trim dn
 
[Keys.Cherokee 180]
2=68,8,65752,0 =parking brake on D key
 
All of those axes are assigned "direct to calibration", but you haven't calibrated any of them except the toe brakes! The uncalibrated ones won't be working correctly at all. You should either calibrate them, or assign them to the FS controls instead.
 
Your toe brakes look to be the only things which should be working okay:
 
[JoystickCalibration.Cherokee 180]
LeftBrake=-16380,16383/8
SlopeLeftBrake=2
RightBrake=-16380,16383/8
SlopeRightBrake=2
 
So, I'm suspecting that your problems are mostly due to the fact that you have controllers still enabled in FS. You must not assign axes and buttons in FSUIPC without disabling controllers in FS. That could easily expain why the toe brakes are misbehaving. However, nothing explains why your parking brake is coming on, unless somethnig is sending a "D" keypress, or the assignedt FS keypress for the same function. The parking brake cannot come on through anything FSUIPC is doing.
 
Pete
 

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Thanks, Pete.  The problem appears to be solved by, as you said, removing ALL FS axes and buttons.  I thought that by un-checking "enable controllers" it would override them but apparently not.  Also, you were  right about not having calibrated the brakes.  Actually all I had to do was check "rev" in the calibration section and all appears to be working.   Parking brake no longer comes on when using toe brakes.

 

Thanks again, Pete.  In my opinion FSUIPC is 'THE' most important and functional program in the entire FS world.  

 

Best and Happy New Year.

 

Jeff

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