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G'day Pete,

I'm pretty new to FSUIPC and have finally got my head around it, except for the life of me cannot figure out an issue with my rudder pedal toe brakes.

The brakes are somehow triggered without my feet even on the pedals, and strangely when I kick a bit of rudder to one side the aeroplane happily moves until I return to neutral rudder position. It is if somehow my rudder and toe brake axis are conflicting.

Below are the relevant details:

[General]
UpdatedByVersion=4962
[Axes]
PollInterval=10
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0Z,256,D,4,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: Throttle }-
1=0R,256,D,36,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: SteeringTiller }-
2=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: Aileron }-
3=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: Elevator }-
4=3X,256,D,7,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: LeftBrake }-
5=3Y,256,D,8,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: RightBrake }-
6=3Z,256,D,3,0,0,0	-{ DIRECT: Rudder }-

Please let me know if there's anything else you need.

Cheers,

Joe.

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4 hours ago, GoneMissed said:

The brakes are somehow triggered without my feet even on the pedals, and strangely when I kick a bit of rudder to one side the aeroplane happily moves until I return to neutral rudder position.

Most toe brake levers are reversed. In other words, unless you REVErse them back before calibrating, they will be fully on until depressed and fully off only when pressed fully.

Just check the REV button when calibrating. You must re-calibrate AFTER doing this.

41 minutes ago, GoneMissed said:

I do indeed have the Reverse box ticked as I recall seeing this mentioned elsewhere, cheers.

Well, as you didn't show the calibration lines from your INI file, only the axis assignments, I can't check. But if you've calibrated them correctly with REV checked and they are still operating in reverse, then maybe you have unusual toe brakes which actually operate the right way, so then you'd need to uncheck REV and calibrate again.

Alternatively you may also have axes assigned in FS/P3D -- you should diasable controllers there is assigning in FSUIPC.

Pete

 

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17 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Most toe brake levers are reversed. In other words, unless you REVErse them back before calibrating, they will be fully on until depressed and fully off only when pressed fully.

Just check the REV button when calibrating. You must re-calibrate AFTER doing this.

Well, as you didn't show the calibration lines from your INI file, only the axis assignments, I can't check. But if you've calibrated them correctly with REV checked and they are still operating in reverse, then maybe you have unusual toe brakes which actually operate the right way, so then you'd need to uncheck REV and calibrate again.

Alternatively you may also have axes assigned in FS/P3D -- you should diasable controllers there is assigning in FSUIPC.

Pete

 

Hi Pete,

Thanks for getting back to me.

Here are the calibration lines:

[JoystickCalibration]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-16159,0,512,15935
SlopeAileron=3
Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380
Rudder=-16384,0,16253,16253
Throttle=-16384,16383
LeftBrake=-16380,16380/16
RightBrake=-16380,16380/16
SlopeElevator=2
SlopeRudder=1
SteeringTiller=-16384,0,512,16383

I've tried what you said and calibrated/recalibrated with reverse checked and unchecked, I am not sure what is going on.

Joe.

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4 hours ago, GoneMissed said:

LeftBrake=-16380,16380/16
RightBrake=-16380,16380/16

Apart from the /16 (REV) those are just the defaults. You haven't actually calibrated the brakes. I have found you ALWAYS need more space at the released postion to ensure that the brakes are off even when using the rudder. There are numbered steps to good calibration given in the FSUIPC user guide. I suggest you follow them.

Also your Rudder calibration is really wrong:

4 hours ago, GoneMissed said:

Rudder=-16384,0,16253,16253

That says one side you have full movement from -16384 to 0. But then the central area, which does nothing, goes from 0 all the way to 16253, which is your calibrated maximum deflection as well! So you only have rudder operation on one side, not the other!

If you are actually managing to use a rudder set this strange way then it simply must mean you also have it assigned in the Sim, which could also easily explain your problem with the toe brakes. Go and actually cvheck that controllers are DISABLED in the sim!

Then re-calibrate all your assigned axes properly, following the guidelines.

Pete

 

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Hi Pete,

I must admit that I did read the instructions in haste. I thought I had set the brakes but given the amount of times I have gone back in there trying to work out the problem, I guess it is no surpise they are at their default figures.

As for the two issues at hand...

The brakes - sorted now. My issue is that in my haste of reading the manual I missed a key sentence: "10. The other option is Rev. If you check that, FSUIPC4 reverses the axis completely, just before supplying the calibrated value to FS." This was my problem. I was calibrating my brakes, and selected Reverse after, not before. Egg on face.

As for the rudder, I'm not sure how I ended up with those quirky values. With my toe-brake embarassment fresh in mind, I went through and armed with the User Guide, set them up again. All appears to be working, I am not sure why I didn't notice any anomolies earlier but all seems to be working well. To confirm, I never had controllers enabled in P3D.

I've pasted my values again, let me know if anything leaps of the page.

Pete, thank you for your patience and I apologise for my hastiness. Your advice is kindly appreciaed. I owe you a few beers mate.

Cheers.

[JoystickCalibration]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Aileron=-16287,-257,-64,15839
SlopeAileron=3
Elevator=-9895,5184,6016,16223
Rudder=-16253,-262,-131,16253
Throttle=-16384,16383
LeftBrake=6061,16384/16
RightBrake=6087,16319/16
SteeringTiller=-16384,0,512,16383

 

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