Help with 2 throttle quadrants

[Danny81]

Hi I'm running the latest latest p3d v3 version and the new fsuipc 4.966 both fresh installs as well as windows 10 pro the problem I have is that one of the TQ is not recognised in fsuipc it works in the control setup in P3D and in devices and printers. I have made sure they both work by using one at a time and they work fine in fsuipc, but then I plug both in at the same time again only one works. I have tried changing the joystick id using joyid and that doesn't seem to work. This has recently just started to happen they did work before perfectly well. Im getting frustrated I tried everything  

[Pete Dowson]

23 minutes ago, Danny81 said:

the problem I have is that one of the TQ is not recognised in fsuipc it works in the control setup in P3D and in devices and printers. I have made sure they both work by using one at a time and they work fine in fsuipc, but then I plug both in at the same time again only one works. I have tried changing the joystick id using joyid and that doesn't seem to work. This has recently just started to happen they did work before perfectly well.

What changed? P3D or FSUIPC or both? Or Windows, what, the really good Win7 to the problematic Win10?

No need to use JoyID these days. FSUIPC does what that used to be needed for, to make sure proper IDs were assigned.

I'd need more details, like your FSUIPC4.INI and a LOG. You can paste their contents here.

Pete

 

[Danny81]

hope this helps nothing changes just done a clean install of windows 10 and P3d the fsuipc is the newest one 

FSUIPC4.log

FSUIPC4.ini

[Pete Dowson]

8 hours ago, Danny81 said:

hope this helps nothing changes just done a clean install of windows 10 and P3d the fsuipc is the newest one 

Nothing changed? Installing Windows is a huge change and almost always changes all the GUID and Joystick IDs!

For some reason Microsoft has registered your Saitek Pro Flight Quadrant twice with EXECTLY the same GUID!

    19000 ---------------------- Joystick Device Scan -----------------------
    19000 Product= Saitek Pro Flight Quadrant
    19000    Manufacturer= Saitek
    19000    Vendor=06A3, Product=0C2D (Version 2.2)
    19000    Assigned joystick id 2 (fixed Registry)
    19000    GUID= {71690BD0-222A-11E7-8002-444553540000}
    19000 Product= T-Rudder
    19000    Manufacturer= Thrustmaster
    19000    Vendor=044F, Product=B679 (Version 1.16)
    19000    Assigned joystick id 0 (Registry okay)
    19016    GUID= {A17BFC30-221E-11E7-8009-444553540000}
    19031 Product= Saitek Pro Flight Quadrant
    19031    Manufacturer= Saitek
    19031    Vendor=06A3, Product=0C2D (Version 2.2)
    19031    Assigned joystick id 3 (fixed Registry)
    19031    GUID= {71690BD0-222A-11E7-8002-444553540000}
    19031 Product= Saitek Pro Flight X-55 Rhino Stick
    19031    Manufacturer= Madcatz
    19031    Serial Number= G0000016
    19031    Vendor=0738, Product=2215 (Version 0.87)
    19031    Assigned joystick id 1 (Registry okay)
    19031    GUID= {A1DEAA10-2228-11E7-8001-444553540000}
    19031 -------------------------------------------------------------------

and it looks like the T-Rudder joined the party late (see the two separate joystick scans because of that).

If you have two throttle quadrants they MUST have different GUIDs, otherwise FSUIPC will only be able to access one of them -- and the Joystick ID might keep changing.

I am suspecting something odd in your registry.  Please run Regedit (from the place Win10 allows you to type in program names to look for them). You will see it comes up with an Explorer type Window. Navigate right down to

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput

then, in the File Menu select Export ... and choose a place to save the data -- save it as a Txt file, NOT a Reg or you won't be able to upload it here.

then, before leaving Regedit, do the same (but with a different name of course) with

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput

(Don't worry if you can't find one of the above. As long as one of them is there. But there are both normally).

Then please show me both files.

I am rather worried that the new Joystick scanning mechanism I implemented, which was supposed to solve these sorts of problems properly, may not cover all cases after all. I should be able to tell from this data whether it is me or you genuinely do have a Registry problem.

Thanks,
Pete

 

 

[Danny81]

Hi the only one in my REG was HKEY_CURRENT_USER  nothing in the other one 

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00000000   01 00 00 00                                        ....

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\0\Type
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/16/2017 - 12:39 AM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\0\Type\Axes
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/16/2017 - 12:39 AM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\0\Type\Axes\0
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/16/2017 - 12:39 AM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\0\Type\Axes\1
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/16/2017 - 12:39 AM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\0\Type\Axes\5
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/16/2017 - 12:39 AM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\1
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/15/2017 - 10:12 PM
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Value 1
  Name:            Joystick Id
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  Data:            
00000000   03 00 00 00                                        ....

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\Calibration\1\Type
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
Last Write Time:   4/15/2017 - 10:12 PM

Key Name:          HKEY_CURRENT_USER\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\MediaProperties\PrivateProperties\DirectInput\VID_0738&PID_2215\DeviceInstances
Class Name:        <NO CLASS>
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Value 1
  Name:            7&2D45B6F3&0&0000
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  Data:            
00000000   02                                                 .

Value 2
  Name:            7&117A3A4F&0&0000
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  Data:            
00000000   02                                                 .

Value 3
  Name:            7&1D8DEBCC&0&0000
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00000000   02                                                 .

 

[Pete Dowson]

17 minutes ago, Danny81 said:

Hi the only one in my REG was HKEY_CURRENT_USER  nothing in the other one 

That's fine.

The registry definitely has different GUIDs for each device, so it must be something daft my code is doing. I'm trying to emulate having two quadrants here by fiddling the registry but it won't work. It has to see them too.

I'll let you know as soon as I've got to the bottom of it.

The odd thing is that since 4.966 was released only yesterday I've already had two similar reports, although this code has not changed at all in 4.966 -- it was like this in 4.965 two weeks ago!

Pete

 

[Danny81]

well i was using the 4.965 and things seem to work ok no problems when i first got the TQ's then after a fresh install of P3D and FSUIPC 4.965 the problem started same with  4.966. well good luck i cant seem to figure out what went wrong.

[Pete Dowson]

Further to my last reply, to help me work out what is wrong could you please add these lines to the [General] section of the FSUIPC4.INI file:

Debug=Please
LogExtras=x200000

then run the Sim (only till ready to fly, then close) and show me the FSUIPC4.LOG.

You can remove those two lines afterwards.

Pete

[Danny81]

Quote

YEP NO PROBLEMS 

 

 

[Danny81]

to clarify you like me just  to load in to the the start up menu or load in to a airport with aircraft 

FSUIPC4.log

[Danny81]

just to let you Know i did a experiment i had a older fsuipc 4.955c and would you believe it it sort my problem out i now have both throttle working so here are the files for it thought it might help.

FSUIPC4.log

fsuipc4.ini

[Pete Dowson]

Just now, Danny81 said:

i did a experiment i had a older fsuipc 4.955c and would you believe it it sort my problem out

Sorry, I know! The change to joystick handling, to deal with the numerous cases of missing joystick IDs and FSUIPC not seeing many joysticks, was first implemented in 4.964. It worked beautifully in Windows 7, using some Windows functions just made for the job!

But then it was found that these functions crashed FS in Windows 10. They are broken. I don't know when MS will fix them, but I cannot wait.

So I looked for an alternative and worked out one which was implemented in 4.965 a couple of weeks ago (and some pre-releases before that). It all appeared to be working and I received few if any problems with it. 

Now, just one day after releasing 4.966, with NO CHANGES in this, I get 4 reports of these problems all on the same day! Weird, and not a little frustrating!

I am working hard to try to fix it. At least I can now reproduce it, having found two spare Bodnar boards and connected them (with no switch or stick connections) to the test PC.

Pete

 

 

[Danny81]

good luck  

[Pete Dowson]

Please try FSUIPC 4.966b and let me know. Just open the ZIP and copy over the FSUIPC4.DLL into your Modules folder. It is working fine here with multiple Bodnar boards (all i could find here today).

Pete

 

[Danny81]

no worries i will try first thing in the morning and get back to you in a 9hr long haul got 4hrs left till landing

 

[ASadik]

8 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Please try FSUIPC 4.966b and let me know. Just open the ZIP and copy over the FSUIPC4.DLL into your Modules folder. It is working fine here with multiple Bodnar boards (all i could find here today).

Pete

 

Hi Pete,

Same issue with me. But this B update didn't seem to do the trick.

[ASadik]

19 minutes ago, ASadik said:

Hi Pete,

Same issue with me. But this B update didn't seem to do the trick.

 

Also I just installed 4955c and that worked fine as well, so for the moment that's what I'm running.

 

[Danny81]

well i tested 4.966b just now and works no problems so far added my log and ini file for you to see results both throttle work well do a  extensive test later 

FSUIPC4.log

FSUIPC4.ini

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

both throttle have now their correct unique GUID, so that will work correct in any case.

Thomas

[Thomas Richter]

Hi (@ASadik),

1 hour ago, ASadik said:

Hi Pete,

Same issue with me. But this B update didn't seem to do the trick.

.....

Also I just installed 4955c and that worked fine as well, so for the moment that's what I'm running.

 

The version 4.966b works correct and you should use that in any case.

You need to delete the existing controller entries under the [JoyName] section and then run FSX or P3D. If you have both installed you need to delete those entries in both/ any FSUIPC4.ini file !

I.e. here it looked like this and the identical devices have to be deleted (RED marked), or even all if you are not sure. FSUIPC4 will re-arrange the order and correct the Registry for that.

[JoyNames]
AutoAssignLetters=No
0=Logitech Extreme 3D
0.GUID={0667FA70-5979-11E4-8005-444553540000}
1=vJoy Device
1.GUID={04D9C8B0-994A-11E6-8002-444553540000}
2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke (USB)
2.GUID={B4B9AF80-229C-11E7-8001-444553540000}
3=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke (USB)
3.GUID={B4B9AF80-229C-11E7-8001-444553540000}

(It might be different arranged in your case)

You will have to check if the previous Button and Axis definition still work, if not it is not an error of FSUIPC4 but the no longer matching of Controller (Joystick) letters that have been changed.

Thomas

 

 

[ASadik]

Ok now works fine!

[Pete Dowson]

9 minutes ago, ASadik said:

Ok now works fine!

Good. I've now released 4.966c which does that repair automatically! 

Pete