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Hi,

I want to use the output of makerwys for a moving map app that doesn't support P3D V4 correctly,
so I translate runways.xml to the app's xml format by a Powershell-Script.

But it seems, Makerwys (4.872) doesn't give me the right runway material for some (addon ?) airports.

Example: runways.txt output for EDDN from 29palms:

1. Makerwys finds the default BGL Scenery\0601\scenery\APX50140.bgl:
Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
...              Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), Concrete, 8841 x 148 ft
2. Makerwys finds a delete operation (exclusion BGL ?):
ORBX\FTX_EU\FTX_EU_GES_05_SCENERY\scenery\ADE_FTX_GES_EDDN.bgl
Deletions check for Airport EDDN:
          Delete all taxiways!
          Delete all runways and starts!
              *** DelBth *** EDDN0100 Lat 49.500549 Long 11.059137 Alt 1046 Hdg 98 Len 8841 Wid 148 ILS 111.30, Flags: GS BC
              *** DelBth *** EDDN0280 Lat 49.496925 Long 11.096058 Alt 1046 Hdg 278 Len 8841 Wid 148 ILS 109.10, Flags: GS BC
3. Makerwys finds ORBX\FTX_EU\FTX_EU_GES_05_SCENERY\scenery\ADE_FTX_GES_EDDN.bgl (ORBX Germany south)
          Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
              Start 10 : N49:30:01.7655  E011:03:35.1902  1046ft Hdg: 98.6T, Length 8841ft              Computed start 10 : Lat 49.500549 Long 11.059138
              Start 28 : N49:29:49.1317  E011:05:43.5096  1046ft Hdg: 278.6T, Length 8841ft              Computed start 28 : Lat 49.496925 Long 11.096057
              Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), Concrete, 8841 x 148 ft

4. Makerwys finds 29palms addon: C:\Games\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\29Palms\Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg\scenery\EDDN_ADE.bgl
          Delete all taxiways!
          Delete all runways and starts!

5. Makerwys finds the runways  in file: C:\Games\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\29Palms\Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg\scenery\EDDN_ADE.bgl
          Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
              Start 10 : N49:30:01.7655  E011:03:35.1902  1046ft Hdg: 98.6T, Length 8858ft              Computed start 10 : Lat 49.500553 Long 11.059102
              Start 28 : N49:29:49.1317  E011:05:43.5096  1046ft Hdg: 278.6T, Length 8858ft              Computed start 28 : Lat 49.496922 Long 11.096093
              Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), UNKNOWN 128, 8858 x 243 ft

Output to runways.xml is "<Def>unknown</Def"

The same happened to ESSA (Stockholm Arlanda) addon by ORBX or ESSD - so it's not only 29palms.

My question: would it be possible for Makerwys to takeover the runway material in the case of runway deletion, if the runway's name is identical ?
Especially in the case of mixed grass/hard stuff runways (f.e. ESSD), I find it helpfull to get this information out of the moving map app.

regards, Quaxman.

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19 hours ago, Quaxman said:

would it be possible for Makerwys to takeover the runway material in the case of runway deletion, if the runway's name is identical ?
Especially in the case of mixed grass/hard stuff runways (f.e. ESSD), I find it helpfull to get this information out of the moving map app.

Sorry, I am misunderstanding something here.

If MakeRunways reports a surface as "unknown" it is because the encoding contains a value which isn't listed in any documentation I have.  Do you know what the surface is (Concrete?)? If so I could add it to MakeRunways tables provided i know how it is represented in the BGL. For that I would need to see the BGL itself (EDDN_ADE.bgl).

I don't like the idea of "taking over the runway material in the case of runway deletion". Later (and therefore higher priority) AFD files should be able to override all of the earier lower priority stuff. Evidently 29Palms knows something different about that runway -- either that or there's an error in their BGL which they should be asked to correct.

Pete

 

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Searching runways.txt for " EDDN", I found:
1. Airport EDDN :N49:29:54.9951  E011:04:39.9991  1046ft
   in file: Scenery\0601\scenery\APX50140.bgl
   Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
   Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), Concrete, 8841 x 148 ft

2. ORBX\FTX_EU\FTX_EU_GES_05_SCENERY\scenery\ADE_FTX_GES_EDDN.bgl
   Deletions check for Airport EDDN:
   Delete all runways and starts!

3. Airport EDDN :N49:29:54.9951  E011:04:39.9991  1046ft
   in file: ORBX\FTX_EU\FTX_EU_GES_05_SCENERY\scenery\ADE_FTX_GES_EDDN.bgl
   Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
   Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), Concrete, 8841 x 148 ft

4. Area.260 "Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg" (Layer=260)
   Path(Local/Remote)=C:\Games\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\29Palms\Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg
   C:\Games\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\29Palms\Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg\scenery\EDDN_ADE.bgl
   Delete all runways and starts!

5. C:\Games\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4\29Palms\Captain7 - 29Palms - EDDN - Nuremberg\scenery\EDDN_ADE.bgl
   Airport EDDN :N49:29:54.9951  E011:04:39.9991  1046ft
   Runway 10 /28  centre: N49:29:55.4486  E011:04:39.3506  1046ft
   Hdg: 98.600 true (MagVar 1.000), UNKNOWN 128, 8858 x 243 ft
                                                                ------------------

So I opened the above mentioned BGL files with ADE 1.76:
APX50140.bgl -> RW10/28: Concrete
ADE_FTX_GES_EDDN.bgl -> RW10/28: Concrete  (ORBX Germany South)
EDDN_ADE.bgl -> RW10/28: Concrete

I append the BGLs...

The same happens for Stockholm Arlanda (ESSA): addon from ORBX.

Currently, I cannot attach a file...I will try in a following post.
 

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The problem is fixed in version 4.873, now available for download.

The problem was a 'transparency' flag I didn't know about, so code 128 meant "concrete (transparent)2'. I assume transparent runways are used when the underlying runway is better represented by a ground texture or photo.

Thanks are due to Jon of ScruffyDuck, author of ADE, for help with this.

Pete

 

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