hammertime Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Had this behaviour with the 195 pre-SP1, and was hoping that it might have been resolved in the SP, however... I realise that throttles need to be idle for spoiler use (no flaps are out). Pre-SP1, spoilers were v much needed to try and control the slightly wonky VNAV 3 degree un-achievable descent path pre SP1. It seems that I can extend the spoilers (using either the VC handle, or the default / key), and retract them again... But seem to be unable to extend the spoilers again (if needed), via any method even in SP1. Can anyone reproduce? No particular payload or weather configuration required. Is is there any work planned to improve on the engine spinner textures when engines are running? The rest of the external model is gorgeous, but this is definitely one area that I feel is personally lacking. Thanks for a great product however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobflight Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 Is the autothrottle on? If the plane, only a little bit, is applying any thrust the spoilers will not deploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 1, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, scoobflight said: Is the autothrottle on? If the plane, only a little bit, is applying any thrust the spoilers will not deploy. I click on the AT disconnect on the TQ levers, and bring them back to idle using my Logitech TQ... Thats enough to get them deployed once... Retract spoilers, re-engage AT to go back into managed speed descent again, (when speed and descent is controlled). FADEC takes control of the throttles again... All good... If the descent runs away from itself again, I repeat the process, spoilers dont redeploy. Also tried pressing "F1" to force throttles to idle... still no re-deploy. Edited April 1, 2020 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobflight Posted April 1, 2020 Report Share Posted April 1, 2020 36 minutes ago, hammertime said: the TQ levers Try a flight without the throttles connected to computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 21 hours ago, scoobflight said: Try a flight without the throttles connected to computer. I get what you're angling at. It could be noisy pots or something like that, or a deadzone tweak required. I will, simply for "science", but to note, given that the fact that the throttles don't move any further backwards at all when pressing F1 either, seems to highlight that it's not a hardware issue or deadzone. Also the very fact that the spoilers successfully deploy once with my hardware TQ, seems to rule this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Tested without hardware TQ. Still the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobflight Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Will need to see if others report the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Hopefully it's one of the things that can be tested by the developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobflight Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Just to firm, there is spoiler function - meaning the planes slow - it problem is animation of the spoilers deploying. Said another way there is function just no visual representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, scoobflight said: Just to firm, there is spoiler function - meaning the planes slow - it problem is animation of the spoilers deploying. Said another way there is function just no visual representation. No, I don't think there is any spoiler function and it's just the case they aren't displaying visually. Certainly Pre SP1 in a VNAV descent it certainly didn't feel that the spoilers were working. Speed kept on increasing. Time to run this past the developer I feel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobflight Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, hammertime said: No, I don't think there is any spoiler function and it's just the case they aren't displaying visually. Certainly Pre SP1 in a VNAV descent it certainly didn't feel that the spoilers were working. Speed kept on increasing. I'm confused. The spoilers visually? There is indication on the main display system display the spoilers are deployed? The flight dynamics have been significant reworked for SP1 and real-world pilots report even closer performance to the real aircraft. So, again, you see no visual display of the spoilers working? Nothing on the main panel status pages? Nothing externally in tbe wings? The plane doesn't slow faster at flight idle spoilers deployed than with spoilers stowed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 10:22 PM, scoobflight said: So, again, you see no visual display of the spoilers working? Nothing on the main panel status pages? Nothing externally in tbe wings? The plane doesn't slow faster at flight idle spoilers deployed than with spoilers stowed? Correct. As described in the original post, I can sometimes get spoilers to deploy once (With spoilers showing extended on the external model, and EICAS, and speed slowing), but once retracted, will not come out again. No external extension, no EICAS message, no reduction in speed. I am defo on SP1 because the reported interior that was too dark with door L1 open, is now fixed... I also uninstalled the pre-SP1 version, deleted any leftover files before installing SP1 as admin. Running Win 10 with latest version of P3Dv4.5 HF2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhkaye Posted April 11, 2020 Report Share Posted April 11, 2020 I tried the default E-195 (house paint) to see if the same problem occurred on my system. Selected Flt Ctrl so I could monitor the spoilers in VC view. Speed control mode manual, altitude 20,000 ft, descending. Used / key to activate spoilers, speed 199 knots, vertical speed mode, descent rate 600 fpm. The spoilers appear to work normally. When I press / the spoilers come on, visible both from outside view and from the inside display. When I press / again the spoilers retract as they should. Tried several times to make sure this was reproducible. So on my system the spoilers appear to work as they should. Hope this info is helpful. Jim Kaye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted April 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 I'll try another uninstall and reinstall. I appreciate someone else taking a look, thanks Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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