Tracking a Spurious Command

[JPL19]

Wondering if someone could help me figure out additional steps to track a weird issue that has been going on for about a month.  At odd intervals, usually 1 to 3 hours into a flight something is setting my mixture to zero.  So far this has happened in the NGXu, Carenado AC690B and Alabeo C404 Titan.  Since the first two are turbine powered I get an immediate flameout, which causes havoc.  It usually happens when I am not touching anything - keyboard, controls, mouse, etc.  This is P3D4.5 on Win10, I have a Alpha Yoke, CH Pro Throttle and Stick plus a Saitek throttle quad (controlling PROP, MIXTURE 1&2).  I have added scenery recently, but no utilities.

I started logging - here is what I think is the event:

•   5992266 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66856 (0x00010528), Param= 1 (0x00000001) VIEW_CAMERA_SELECT_6
•   6015719 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66851 (0x00010523), Param= 1 (0x00000001) VIEW_CAMERA_SELECT_1
•   6101031 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66856 (0x00010528), Param= 1 (0x00000001) VIEW_CAMERA_SELECT_6
•   6180875 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 65765 (0x000100e5), Param= 10544 (0x00002930) AXIS_THROTTLE_SET
•   6183922 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 65773 (0x000100ed), Param= 0 (0x00000000) MIXTURE_SET
•   6184234 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66055 (0x00010207), Param= 1 (0x00000001) PAUSE_SET
•   6184250 ### Mode: PAUSE on
•   6184359 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 65773 (0x000100ed), Param= 0 (0x00000000) MIXTURE_SET
•   6187344 KEYDOWN: VK=80, Waiting=0, Repeat=N, Shifts=0
•   6187344 .. Key not programmed -- passed on to FS
•   6187344 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65561 (0x00010019), Param= 0 (0x00000000) PAUSE_TOGGLE
•   6187344 ### Mode is NORMAL
•   6187453 KEYUP: VK=80, Waiting=0
•   6188203 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 65765 (0x000100e5), Param= 10810 (0x00002a3a) AXIS_THROTTLE_SET
•   6188375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66851 (0x00010523), Param= 1 (0x00000001) VIEW_CAMERA_SELECT_1
•   6189031 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 66422 (0x00010376), Param= -2211 (0xfffff75d) AXIS_MIXTURE1_SET
•   6189078 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 66422 (0x00010376), Param= 256 (0x00000100) AXIS_MIXTURE1_SET
•   6189078 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 66425 (0x00010379), Param= -1431 (0xfffffa69) AXIS_MIXTURE2_SET
•   6189109 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 66422 (0x00010376), Param= 1536 (0x00000600) AXIS_MIXTURE1_SET
•   6184625 ***  AXIS: Cntrl= 65773 (0x000100ed), Param= 0 (0x00000000) MIXTURE_SET

This was flying the Alabeo Titan, and the pause is part of the ACARS program that catches unexpected events and pauses sim (just added AFTER the problem occurred many times).  I do not have any mixture buttons or axis settings except Mixture 1 & 2 in this profile, and no where do I see any other mixture settings or button commands.  All axis and button controls in sim itself are removed.  I have FSUIPC controlling Throttle axis, Prop Axis and Mixture 1&2 along with flight controls.

Is there a way to track what may be sending the AXIS: Cntrl= 65773 (0x000100ed), Param= 0 (0x00000000) MIXTURE_SET command?

Thanks for any thoughts / help.

Joe 

 

[spokes2112]

Are you flying multiplayer -or- having any Carenado/Alabeo aircraft injected into the sim as AI in any way?
If so.. It is NOT the plane you are flying in, but what is portrayed in the sim.
Carenado/Alabeo aircraft have built in piracy protection and when these aircraft get injected into the sim as a non-user aircraft the anti piracy doesn't work correctly and as a result AXIS_MIXTURE_SET gets sent as a shared cockpit variable.
Note - this does not affect FSX because the FSX panel system runs at a higher level than P3D when the aircraft is "non-user". LM reduced this panel priority for non user aircraft to increase overall sim performance.

Just a hunch - it is totally proven though. 
Poor coding on their part.

Roman

[JPL19]

No MultiPlayer ever. No Carenado being used as AI at all.  I use UTLive plus ORBX where applicable . . .

Thanks for the reply.

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

please provide always a full FSUIPC5.log file, top to end of a fully closed session.

Thomas

[JPL19]

Attached

FSUIPC5_prev.zip

[Pete Dowson]

28 minutes ago, JPL19 said:

No Carenado being used as AI at all.  I use UTLive plus ORBX where applicable .

Are you sure that UTLive can't make use of installed aircraft models for AI when nobetter match is found? After all you do say you have both installed.

On this point:

2 hours ago, JPL19 said:

All axis and button controls in sim itself are removed. 

It is not safe to remove assignments in the sim. You should disable controllers. The sim has a habit of making auytomatic assignments if it ever thinks a controller is newly added. If you disable controllers you do not need to unassign everything, so it is much easier in any case.

2 hours ago, JPL19 said:

Is there a way to track what may be sending the AXIS: Cntrl= 65773 (0x000100ed), Param= 0 (0x00000000) MIXTURE_SET command?

I'm afraid it is not possible to determine the source of controls arriving in the Sim -- except by a process of eliminating each possiblity in turn.

Pete

 

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

as Pete said you should set Controllers to OFF.

Your Log file shows they are set to ON in P3D

Quote

      563 ### Checking Prepar3D.cfg
      563     Controllers are set to ON, using RawInput within P3D

Thomas

[JPL19]

1 hour ago, Pete Dowson said:

Are you sure that UTLive can't make use of installed aircraft models for AI when nobetter match is found? After all you do say you have both installed.

UTLive uses very specifically its own AI in the its own SimObjects folder.  You can manually add/change/reassign from within that folder, and, I have added other AI via that means (added to the folder then added in the UTLive progtram).  It does not ever choose AI.  Its not "live" really in any sense.

I am trying to check sceneries that may have added their own traffic bgls as well.  It may be one geographic area (Caribbean) which would tend to point towards an AI issue as well.  But the issues are not taking place that close to each other.

Thanks.

[JPL19]

I want to say thanks to Roman as well as Thomas and Pete.

Roman's comments sent me searching.  I use Super Traffic Board occasionally so I fired it up on my client system and flew the same route, with time acceleration.  As soon as I hit one area I saw a flood of aircraft hit STB and then the mixture cut off.

Need to do some testing, but, it might be a traffic file associated with Imaginesim's TBPB.  Looking at it in AIFP it uses several default aircraft including the Commander.

Need more testing needed but perhaps progress...

Thanks again.

Joe