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Having received my new Bravo Throttles, I started testing it with the axes registered in FSUIPC. Prepar3D 4.5 BTW. I noticed The values registered were kind of "chunked" and not consistent. If I define the throttles for a King Air C90, using the same procedure as for the Saitek Throttle Quadrants, I noticed in Prepar3D the throttles moved only for a part of the range, no matter how I set the three values in the Calibration page. For the PMDG 737 NGXu things were even stranger, where the Throttles wouldn't have any effect at all, other than moving the reversers? Next I removed the assignment, set both axes to straight to Prepar3D, and used the control configuration there, and that worked without a hitch?

Any idea what the cause is for this behavior? I can fly, but not with FSUIPC it seems. I know version 6 is out, but thought that was only needed for Prepar3D v5. Is there something else I missed?

Bert Laverman

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Ok, I think I see what is happening here.

Important point: The Bravo Throttle Quadrant has its axes reversed, so you have to do processing on it. In Prepar3D this is just adding the "Reverse" checkmark, but in FSUIPC it means you must use the calibration tab and click "Set"  and "Rev". However, this also enables processing that divides the range into "Normal", "Idle", and "Reverse", which is not what you want if you use the Bravo. In the top-left of this tab there is a check-box for "No reverse zone". That fixes it!

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18 hours ago, bert.laverman said:

Important point: The Bravo Throttle Quadrant has its axes reversed, so you have to do processing on it. In Prepar3D this is just adding the "Reverse" checkmark, but in FSUIPC it means you must use the calibration tab and click "Set"  and "Rev". However, this also enables processing that divides the range into "Normal", "Idle", and "Reverse", which is not what you want if you use the Bravo. In the top-left of this tab there is a check-box for "No reverse zone". That fixes it!

Glad you worked it out, but do also please note that those facilities are described in the User Guide, along with lots of other helpful information.

Pete

 

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Yes, I know an RTFM feels appropriate, but in my defense, the documentation was uninstalled when the installer removed FSUIPC5, and I don't see it in the FSUIPC6 installation directory. I Googled, but could not find online versions of the manual. I checked the installation in "C:\FS\FSUIPC" and the (dummy) in "<profile>\Documents\Prepar3D v4 Add-ons\FSUIPC6", but then found an extra directory in "<profile>\Documents\FSUIPC6". Please don't create so many folders in separate locations, or at the least create an entry in the Start menu with a link to the documentation.

And yes, all my flightsimulator stuff gets installed under "C:\FS". I try to move stuff there that some folks install under "Documents", because executables and DLLs are not documents, and I don't want them ending up in OneDrive of Google Drive.

Bert

PS Unrelated but out of curiosity: Would you know why there are two "add-ons.cfg" files? One in "ProgramData" and one in "AppData".

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1 hour ago, bert.laverman said:

Please don't create so many folders in separate locations, or at the least create an entry in the Start menu with a link to the documentation.

I always liked to keep everything in one folder and my installers always broke all the rules to do so.  But John is doing the right thing -- correctly abiding by Microsoft' & L-M  rules.  The program and its configuration stuff in your choice of Installation folder, the necessary activating Addon.xml in  P3D's Add-Ons folder, in your Documents, and the documentation in an appropriate folder also in your Documents.

I suppose there could be links placed to all these when they are installed, but many folks, including myself, don't like getting such a cluttered Start menu or, indeed, desktop. I tend to move or delete such additions.

It really shouldn't be so odd finding documentation in the Documents folder, surely?

BTW apart from the documents installed in the Documents folder, there is a document accompanying the Installer, in the ZIP you download, which provides helpful instructions and does tell you where things go.

Pete

 

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1 hour ago, bert.laverman said:

PS Unrelated but out of curiosity: Would you know why there are two "add-ons.cfg" files? One in "ProgramData" and one in "AppData".

That is L-Ms doing, and I did read the explanation somewhere, but (sorry) I've forgotten the details. I think it's related to addons which will always be loaded ("ProgramData"), compared to those which only load when the appropriate user is logged on (AppData).

If you ask on the AVSIM P3D forum I expect someone will explain this more accurately.

Pete

 

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Pete,

I was thoroughly confused by this behavior, that messed up my axes:

  • I disabled the reverser area, used "Set" to enable processing, and enabled "Rev" because the Bravo Throttle sends reversed axes.
  • For both throttles I used the "Set" buttons so Max is 16384 and Min is -16383. I know I could add a bit of "dead zone" at the ends, but this just ensures I get the whole range.
  • If I slowly move a throttle from max down to min, in the cockpit I see it move very slowly down to about halfway between max and Idle, then on the last few millimeters on the Bravo it jumps to Idle.
  • The PropPitch and Mixture axes behave similarly, but reversed; the jump is on the upper end of the range, from max to about 75%, then it moves smoothly until the handle on the Bravo is about halfway, at which point the handle in the cockpit is fully down.

Now what eventually solved this, but I could not find in the manual, is that I should have set the throttle minimums to 0. Because I cannot enter direct values in the dialog box, I keep moving axes and looking at the values, but the input value behavior actually changes when I set those minimum and maximum values, which is thoroughly confusing as they are "input".

This is the Carenado C90 BTW. If you have any hint how I could get the range between Idle and Reverse used, I would be much obliged. I have the reversers now working using the throttle "detent" switches, so full down is Idle and "push through detent" gives me reversers, but even if I use the processed reversers, it skips part of the range.

Cheers,
Bert

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2 hours ago, bert.laverman said:

Now what eventually solved this, but I could not find in the manual, is that I should have set the throttle minimums to 0. Because I cannot enter direct values in the dialog box, I keep moving axes and looking at the values, but the input value behavior actually changes when I set those minimum and maximum values, which is thoroughly confusing as they are "input".

The INPUT value defined is definitely a direct copy of what is being received -- either directly from your Axis assignment when assigned "direct to calibration", or from the Sim otherwise. There is no way FSUIPC's calibration can change that unless it is affecting what does to the Sim and it is the Sim value you are using.

So without knowing anything about how you assigning nor to which controls I can't really advise.

As usual you do need to supply information -- maybe in this case your FSUIPC5.INI file.

But you refer to a particular add-on aircraft. Please always test your controls first on a default aircraft in case the add-on is doing its own odd things.

The other consideration if the whole range of your axis is not being used is a bad install of your control device. The entries in the Registry may be wrong.  It has happened quite frequently with Saitek devices (as an example) that the registry data for the device is limiting the range to only half that available, or even treating the analogue axis as a digital on/off input.

If the latter is a factor, first try calibrating in Windows. If the problem persists then a complete uninstall of the device via Windows device manager (including any drivers), followed by a re-boot so the device gets re-installed afresh, may work.

Pete

 

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The values in the "In" field for when the handle is in max and min are 16384 and -16383, but one "step" up from -16383 is 0; the whole negative range in the "In" value is gone. For the Mixture and PropPitch there are values between 0 and -16383. If I re-enable reverser, there are values in between, but at the same time the step-size (minimal change in value for a given amount of movement) in "In" values actually changes depending on where I set the mid-point or "Idle" point.

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On 1/9/2021 at 5:46 PM, Pete Dowson said:

So without knowing anything about how you assigning nor to which controls I can't really advise.

As usual you do need to supply information -- maybe in this case your FSUIPC5.INI file.

Did you miss the above in my previous reply?

On 1/9/2021 at 7:04 PM, bert.laverman said:

The values in the "In" field for when the handle is in max and min are 16384 and -16383, but one "step" up from -16383 is 0; the whole negative range in the "In" value is gone.

If this is from an assignment in FSUIPC, and the axis is not assigned in the P3D, then this surely indicates a bad registry entry for that device. 

Please re-read my previous reply! You response gave no further usseful information at all.

Pete

 

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