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  1. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Hi Pete, apologies for not getting back sooner, I wasn't back home until Monday evening so couldn't do any logging. As I still had issues with the Steering Tiller on one of my axis levers I decided to delete the ini file and start afresh. First thing I noticed was the 2 throttles calibrated properly. You previously mentioned that if NRZ was ticked then it was impossible for the 'Out' section to go below zero. In the past it was going to -16300 approx and when clicking the sync button throttle 2 would limit itself to -4096, this all seems correct now :razz: . I'll update this evening but thank you so much for all your hard work, you are certainly a credit to the flight sim community and we all appreciate it

    Regards

    Chris Ibbotson

  2. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Pete thanks for the updates and sorry for it bambozzling you, its certainly done it to me as Ive followed your advice. I'll look at logs at the beginning of the week but in the interim here's the ini I meant to send earlier with the throttles correctly assigned as the correct axis set and sync'd, which creates the -4096 issue.

    I very quickly reassigned the lever assignments tonight and got the tiller steering to work correctly.

    [General]

    UpdatedByVersion=4804

    History=5HZ657J5URAUZNVBEGAV9

    MouseWheelTrim=No

    MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

    JoystickTimeout=20

    PollGFTQ6=Yes

    BlankDisplays=No

    FixControlAccel=Yes

    FixMachSpeedBug=No

    VisibilityOptions=No

    OneCloudLayer=No

    CloudTurbulence=No

    CloudIcing=No

    GenerateCirrus=No

    SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

    MaxIce=-4

    MinIce=-4

    UpperWindGusts=No

    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

    SmoothBySimTime=No

    WindSmoothing=No

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=Yes

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=Yes

    AileronSpikeRemoval=Yes

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=Yes

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

    ShortAircraftNameOk=No

    UseProfiles=Yes

    EnableMouseLook=No

    AxesWrongRange=No

    TCASid=Flight

    TCASrange=40

    AxisCalibration=No

    DirectAxesToCalibs=No

    ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

    SuppressSingleline=No

    SuppressMultilineFS=No

    AxisIntercepts=No

    DontResetAxes=No

    InitDelay=0

    GetNearestAirports=Yes

    WeatherReadFactor=2

    WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

    CustomWeatherModify=No

    SimConnectStallTime=1

    LuaRerunDelay=66

    Console=No

    DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

    MouseWheelMove=No

    FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

    SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

    [JoyNames]

    AutoAssignLetters=No

    0=Logitech Formula Force EX USB

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    1.GUID={3E7194E0-5430-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

    2.GUID={3E926350-5430-11E1-8003-444553540000}

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    ButtonRepeat=20,10

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    3=P1,2,K49,10

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    7=R2,15,K54,10

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    9=R2,17,K56,10

    10=R2,18,K57,10

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    23=R2,39,C65854,0

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    25=R2,35,C65857,0

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    28=P1,1,C65861,0

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    Next=4

    Interval=300

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    SaveOnGround=Yes

    AutoSaveEnabled=Yes

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    2=Fri 133350

    3=Fri 133849

    4=Fri 003547

    5=Fri 005058

    6=Tue 202024

    7=Tue 202224

    8=Tue 202424

    9=Tue 202623

    10=Tue 200827

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    GPSoutEnabled=No

    Port=COM0

    Speed=4800

    Interval=2000

    PosTo6Decimal=No

    Sentences=

    [GPSout2]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    Port=<none set>

    Speed=4800

    Interval=2000

    PosTo6Decimal=No

    Sentences=

    [WideServer]

    WideFSenabled=Yes

    [sounds]

    Path=D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\

    Device1=Primary Sound Driver

    Device2=Speakers (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device3=Digital Output (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [JoystickCalibration]

    AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=Yes

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

    MaxThrottleForReverser=256

    AileronTrimControl=66731

    RudderTrimControl=66732

    CowlFlaps1Control=66162

    CowlFlaps2Control=66163

    CowlFlaps3Control=66164

    CowlFlaps4Control=66165

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    MaxSteerSpeed=60

    Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

    Elevator=-16384,0,0,16383

    Rudder=-16383,0,0,16384/16

    Flaps=-16383,16384/16

    Spoilers=-16384,16128/16

    Throttle1=-16384,-512,512,16383/32

    Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,16383/32

    SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

    SyncSlopeThrottle2=13/16,46/48,78/85,126/126

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    1=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

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    5=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

    7=2V,256,D,36,0,0,0

  3. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Pete

    I did a quick test by assigning the two throttle levers as 'axis throttle 1 set' and 'axis throttle 2 set'. I had previously set them as 'throttle 1' and 'throttle 2' as this is the only references I recall to individual throttles when using the direct option (which I thought was the better one), I went to the calibration page and calibrated both, setting the max and min values. Tested the NGX and the throttles worked as they should with the auto throttle switched on (i.e. they didnt change when I moved the Saitek levers). The no reverse option is ticked and confirmed as Yes in ini file. The In / Out values range from -16384 to +16384. I then tried the sync option, I moved both levers to idle and pressed the sync position button then moved both levers simultaneously about 1cm and pressed sync again...as soon as I did this throttle 2's Out value on left hand side of display changed from -16384 to -4096 (and wont go below this value) and wouldn't increase until the lever approached the 50% range of its physical movement where it starts increasing to +16384. I did email my office the ini file so I could post it for you to view it but it hasn't come through as I forgot to switch on Outlook after selecting the file and pressing 'Send to Mail', I will post its contents later on this evening before I'm away for the weekend. I didn't have time to enable any logs you requested at present. I reset the throttle calibration and tried again and again and again but same thing happened when enabling the sync mode. In the past I tried different axis levers as I have 6 on the 2 quadrants but same issue. In manual thrust control throttle 2 stops around 50% and wont return to idle. I tested it also on Flight1's BN2 Islander, a twin prop, and same result.

    Regarding the tiller I did have the landing gear configured for that lever originally but cleared the axis and removed the 2 range settings I had for the Up and Down. I'll restart the entire setup to be sure I've a clean sheet, the clean setup however didnt cure the sync issues as I recently tested this. Also for your info I have FSX Controllers disabled, do you think I should delete all its axis assignments as well as disabling them? I can live without the sync option if we can't get to the bottom of it.

    Hope you have a good weekend

    Chris Ibbotson

  4. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Pete it will probably be Sunday evening or early next week before I can look into this as I'm away all weekend. I just typed a long message and blinking lost it as the page refreshed by accident :mad: I'll look for the 'axis throttle n set' options and test that along with the sync (if required) and report back. I suppose its critical that you choose the correct tye of action required i.e. direct to fsuipc or fs as normal axis as they contain differing control options.

    I'm also having issues trying to assign an axis as the tiller steering for NGX. I tried it on a spare lever which worked fine, it went from -16384 to +16384 but when I removed this axis and assigned it to another, as its original position conflicted with other levers and my hand nudging it by accident, its range is weird, it would go from -16384 to +16384 with the lever moving 50% of its full range then repeat for the final 50%, this means when I move it from say full idle the aircraft would turn to the right then straighten up, go left, straighten up then right again all within the full 0-100% movement of the lever...any ideas? I'm now using the latest module. Perhaps I should should completely start over yet again

    Chris Ibbotson

  5. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Good morning Pete, thanks for your help in this. I did try assigning them late last night as suggested, still through FSUIPC but not using the direct to FSUIPC calibration but rather the middle radio button option, I think I had to untick the Ignore throttle set or something in the 4 throttle calibration page. Apologies I'm in work again so not sure of the exact wording in your module, this gave me the same results. I'd rather not assign any controls within FSX itself as PMDG_737NGX.dll would often crash to desktop as if there's a minor conflict, disabling FSX Controllers or FSUIPC stops these crashes. I've read others having similar issues with both Saitek or CH Products with the NGX.

    I've got it working fine now using 2 throttle axis as long as I do NOT sync them as the autothrottle doesnt work correctly and in manual throttle nr 2 stops at 50% and wont go to idle. Heres my latest ini without sync. Yes my previous post refered to sync pos, you can see in the ini above both axis seem to pretty much match through their range, they just go weird with the NGX. Just for the record I'm using Saitek Pro Flight yoke with 2 throttle quadrants and I've also utilised the pedals off a Logitech steering wheel which work well as rudder pedals.

    [General]

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    History=CO5X8EQBLYY7HJ1HKMG1F

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    MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

    JoystickTimeout=20

    PollGFTQ6=Yes

    BlankDisplays=No

    FixControlAccel=Yes

    FixMachSpeedBug=No

    VisibilityOptions=No

    OneCloudLayer=No

    CloudTurbulence=No

    CloudIcing=No

    GenerateCirrus=No

    SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

    MaxIce=-4

    MinIce=-4

    UpperWindGusts=No

    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

    SmoothBySimTime=No

    WindSmoothing=No

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=No

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

    AileronSpikeRemoval=No

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=Yes

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

    ShortAircraftNameOk=No

    UseProfiles=Yes

    EnableMouseLook=No

    AxesWrongRange=No

    TCASid=Flight

    TCASrange=40

    AxisCalibration=No

    DirectAxesToCalibs=No

    ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

    SuppressSingleline=No

    SuppressMultilineFS=No

    AxisIntercepts=No

    DontResetAxes=No

    InitDelay=0

    GetNearestAirports=Yes

    WeatherReadFactor=2

    WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

    CustomWeatherModify=No

    SimConnectStallTime=1

    LuaRerunDelay=66

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    DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

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    27=P2,5,C65860,0

    28=P1,1,C65861,0

    29=P2,6,C65564,0

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    2=Thu 011052

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    4=Sun 013048

    5=Thu 005606

    6=Tue 202024

    7=Tue 202224

    8=Tue 202424

    9=Tue 202623

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    WideFSenabled=Yes

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    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [JoystickCalibration]

    AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=Yes

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

    MaxThrottleForReverser=256

    AileronTrimControl=66731

    RudderTrimControl=66732

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    CowlFlaps2Control=66163

    CowlFlaps3Control=66164

    CowlFlaps4Control=66165

    SteeringTillerControl=0

    MaxSteerSpeed=60

    Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

    Elevator=-16384,0,0,16383

    Rudder=-16383,0,0,16384/16

    Flaps=-16383,16384/16

    Spoilers=-16384,16128/16

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    1=

  6. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Meant to add Pete when No Reverse Zone is ticked I get the following

    Throttle 1

    (Idle) In -16253 Out -16252 (Max) In 16383 Out 16384

    Throttle 2

    (Idle) In -16384 Out -4096****** (Max) In 16256 Out 16224

    I think the -4096 is the culprit to throttle 2 only returning to 50% on manual thrust despite the lever being returned to idle

  7. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Ok here's a few ini files in various states of setup

    1. axis set up for aileron, elevator, rudder, spoiler, flaps and throttle1 and throttle 2 (all assigned via FSUIPC with FSX controllers disabled - throttles left uncalibrated - result is NGX autothrottle system works as it should, in cruise with MCP Speed moving the Saitek throttles just shows a blue arc on the N1 but the throttles remain set

    [General]

    UpdatedByVersion=4800

    History=3VQ6IHTWU1066YCW6PI3O

    MouseWheelTrim=No

    MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

    JoystickTimeout=20

    PollGFTQ6=Yes

    BlankDisplays=No

    FixControlAccel=No

    FixMachSpeedBug=No

    DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

    VisibilityOptions=No

    OneCloudLayer=No

    CloudTurbulence=No

    CloudIcing=No

    GenerateCirrus=No

    SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

    MaxIce=-4

    MinIce=-4

    UpperWindGusts=No

    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

    SmoothBySimTime=No

    WindSmoothing=No

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=No

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

    AileronSpikeRemoval=No

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=No

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

    ShortAircraftNameOk=No

    UseProfiles=Yes

    EnableMouseLook=No

    AxesWrongRange=No

    TCASid=Flight

    TCASrange=40

    AxisCalibration=No

    DirectAxesToCalibs=No

    ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

    SuppressSingleline=No

    SuppressMultilineFS=No

    AxisIntercepts=No

    DontResetAxes=No

    InitDelay=0

    GetNearestAirports=Yes

    WeatherReadFactor=2

    WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

    CustomWeatherModify=No

    SimConnectStallTime=1

    LuaRerunDelay=66

    Console=No

    FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

    SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

    [JoyNames]

    AutoAssignLetters=No

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    0.GUID={F421FC40-1933-11E1-8002-444553540000}

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    1.GUID={3E7194E0-5430-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

    2.GUID={3E926350-5430-11E1-8003-444553540000}

    [buttons]

    ButtonRepeat=20,10

    [AutoSave]

    Next=1

    Interval=60

    Files=10

    SaveOnGround=No

    AutoSaveEnabled=No

    [GPSout]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    [GPSout2]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    [WideServer]

    WideFSenabled=Yes

    [sounds]

    Path=D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\

    Device1=Primary Sound Driver

    Device2=Speakers (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device3=Digital Output (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [Axes]

    0=0S,256,D,3,0,0,0

    1=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

    2=1Y,256,D,9,0,0,0

    3=1Z,256,D,10,0,0,0

    4=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

    5=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

    [JoystickCalibration]

    AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

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    Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

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    Spoilers=-16256,16253/16

    Flaps=-16384,16383/16

    2. As above - throttles 1 and 2 on 4 throttle page now calibrated - result is NGX autothrottle system fails, in cruise with MCP Speed moving the Saitek throttles just shows a white arc on the N1 and throttles increase or reduce according to the movement of the levers then return to their autothrottle percent, if I move a single lever the AT disconnects, this is even when setting NEVER in PMDGs options for Autothrottle Manual Override. Ive also ticked in FSUIPC the No Reverse Zone though I think I manually had to change UseAxisControlsForNRZ= to Yes

    [General]

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    DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

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    TCASid=Flight

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    LuaRerunDelay=66

    Console=No

    FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

    SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

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    1.GUID={3E7194E0-5430-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

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    ButtonRepeat=20,10

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    Next=1

    Interval=60

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    [GPSout2]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

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    WideFSenabled=Yes

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    Device2=Speakers (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device3=Digital Output (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [Axes]

    0=0S,256,D,3,0,0,0

    1=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

    2=1Y,256,D,9,0,0,0

    3=1Z,256,D,10,0,0,0

    4=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

    5=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

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    AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=Yes

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

    MaxThrottleForReverser=256

    AileronTrimControl=66731

    RudderTrimControl=66732

    CowlFlaps1Control=66162

    CowlFlaps2Control=66163

    CowlFlaps3Control=66164

    CowlFlaps4Control=66165

    SteeringTillerControl=0

    MaxSteerSpeed=60

    Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

    Elevator=-16384,0,0,16320

    Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380/16

    Spoilers=-16256,16253/16

    Flaps=-16384,16383/16

    Throttle1=-16384,-512,512,16383/32

    Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,16128/32

    3. Finally with throttles 1 and 2 calibrated and sync'd with about 5 positions, moving both levers at the same time a fraction of their full range, letting go of them and pressing the Sync button. I think I manually had to change UseAxisControlsForNRZ= to Yes. The Autothrottle now works almost as it should but throttle2 will only return to 50% when I move the Saitek lever to idle, its like that axis still thinks theres a reverse zone!!

    I hope this info helps Pete

    Chris Ibbotson

    [General]

    UpdatedByVersion=4800

    History=1JG795HMVPKSWO2MWF8TA

    MouseWheelTrim=No

    MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

    JoystickTimeout=20

    PollGFTQ6=Yes

    BlankDisplays=No

    FixControlAccel=No

    FixMachSpeedBug=No

    DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

    VisibilityOptions=No

    OneCloudLayer=No

    CloudTurbulence=No

    CloudIcing=No

    GenerateCirrus=No

    SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

    MaxIce=-4

    MinIce=-4

    UpperWindGusts=No

    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

    SmoothBySimTime=No

    WindSmoothing=No

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=No

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

    AileronSpikeRemoval=No

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=No

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

    ShortAircraftNameOk=No

    UseProfiles=Yes

    EnableMouseLook=No

    AxesWrongRange=No

    TCASid=Flight

    TCASrange=40

    AxisCalibration=No

    DirectAxesToCalibs=No

    ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

    SuppressSingleline=No

    SuppressMultilineFS=No

    AxisIntercepts=No

    DontResetAxes=No

    InitDelay=0

    GetNearestAirports=Yes

    WeatherReadFactor=2

    WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

    CustomWeatherModify=No

    SimConnectStallTime=1

    LuaRerunDelay=66

    Console=No

    FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

    SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

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    AutoAssignLetters=No

    0=Logitech Formula Force EX USB

    0.GUID={F421FC40-1933-11E1-8002-444553540000}

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    1.GUID={3E7194E0-5430-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

    2.GUID={3E926350-5430-11E1-8003-444553540000}

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    ButtonRepeat=20,10

    [AutoSave]

    Next=1

    Interval=60

    Files=10

    SaveOnGround=No

    AutoSaveEnabled=No

    [GPSout]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    [GPSout2]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    [WideServer]

    WideFSenabled=Yes

    [sounds]

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    Device1=Primary Sound Driver

    Device2=Speakers (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device3=Digital Output (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [Axes]

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    5=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

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    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=Yes

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

    MaxThrottleForReverser=256

    AileronTrimControl=66731

    RudderTrimControl=66732

    CowlFlaps1Control=66162

    CowlFlaps2Control=66163

    CowlFlaps3Control=66164

    CowlFlaps4Control=66165

    SteeringTillerControl=0

    MaxSteerSpeed=60

    Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

    Elevator=-16384,0,0,16320

    Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380/16

    Spoilers=-16256,16253/16

    Flaps=-16384,16383/16

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    Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,16128/32

    SyncSlopeThrottle2=26/26,37/32,53/48,68/65,92/91,109/110,127/128

  8. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Hi Pete, I apologise for repeating things, I guess I'm just a little frustrated that your good advice, in my case, doesn't appear to be working. The issue I described with throttle 2 not going back to idle was something I experienced a few months ago quite a few times despite recalibrating and trying the sync options. I'll backup my modules folder and reinstall a fresh copy of FSUIPC, will set just the 2 throttle axis and test it in the NGX. Do I need to enable logging in FSUIPC? I'll get back to you later as I appreciate it not making sense when it works for others who have experienced the same thing but got your fix to work. Ps your work on the G3D.dll was a God send and I've not had a CTD with that dll since so thanks Pete

    Chris Ibbotson

  10. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    The sync pos facilities in FSUIPC calibration could deal with such discrepancies easy enough. You can choose a number of positions to make the equate and FSUIPC will interpolate between. It effectively creates a specific curved calibration grapg instead of using the plain linear method.

    That doesn't sound anything like the sync pos facility. With the latter you simply create many positions which are to give equal input numbers and it fills in the parts between accordingly. You can certainly create enough positions to give very smooth reaults over the whole range. I don't know what you were using to make such a mess, but it wouldn't have been that.

    Apologies Pete my posts are made from work and I don't have access to FSX but what you describe above is what I'm using to sync the engines, I had in the past set perhaps a minimum of 5 positions from idle to full throttle, advancing both axis to the same position and pressing the sync button. I am not using any other utility for the controls, either to assign them or control any form of calibration. The autothrottle issue ONLY rears its ugly head once I set calibration for the throttles, either on page one of the calibration page if a single throttle axis is used or on the other page which has multi engine calibration.

    If using the same throttle controls as FSX assignment uses causes an autothrottle problem ,then there's certainly a bug or design deficiency in the aircraft modelling.

    As my original posts mentioned a few months ago it didn't matter if I assigned by throttle axis via FSX or via FSUIPC the problem came up if any of the throttles were calibrated within FSUIPC. Perhaps there is a bug with PMDG as I think they do say not to use any form of calibration. There is also an issue which causes their main PMDG_737NGX.dll to crash, many users, including myself could only resolve this crash if they set all their controls via FSUIPC and disabled the controllers in FSX.

    You've confused me now. How does using a single throttle axis solve anything, apart perhaps from your sunc?

    If I have a single axis then they don't need sync'd so I dont use FSUIPC's calibration, as soon as I turn on calibration for one, two axis etc the AT fails to work as it should.

    I'm not at home until tomorrow evening but have in the past followed your advice and DTS's comments above "I have calibrated 2 separate axis, one for each engine, with no reverse zone and also adjusted the ini file with 'UseAxisControlsForNRZ=Yes' and it still didnt work. I'll treble check it tomorrow and if the problem persists I will just have to live with it.

    Pete

  11. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    I checked and doubled checked all the settings when we previously went through this, removed all assignments in FSX, uninstalled FSUIPC, reinstalled it and setup all axis and buttons again, setting two axis on the throttle quadrant to Throttle 1 and Throttle 2 and they would work fine in any aircraft, moving one lever increases the props or thrust on that particular engine. I appreciate there can be a bit of difference in the calibration but in the NGX I'm seeing between 5-10% of a difference when the levers are set physically side by side. I've tried differrent levers and I also have two quadrants so tried 2 levers assigned on the 2nd quadrant, also tried 1 lever on one and 1 on the other but the same issue happens. They've been unplugged and replugged, used different USB slots etc etc but the result is the exact same, perhaps faulty Saitek units I'm not sure, they are well outside their warranty though they matched % a lot closer in other aircraft. You have a function built into your module to allievate this sync issue which I have tried many times in the past. It created 2 major issues, the range of one of the throttles (throttle 2 I think) was reduced so moving the lever all the way to idle resulted in the throttle in the NGX only moving back to about 50-40% but the main problem was as previously mentioned, moving the throttle lever would cause the autothrottle to be overwriten and the thrust would change when it shouldnt, it would then disconnect the AT. The OP has the same issue as myself and no variant in configuring the controls would work, either assigned only in FSX or assigned in FSUIPC *IF* I enabled any form of throttle calibration in your module. I'll try it quickly again now as I've just downloaded 4.8 but if it doesnt work I'm just going to have to continue with using a single throttle axis

  12. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    I never assign a reverse zone to the throttles as I use the button assignment which is activated on the Saitek Quad when you move the throttle to idle then push it down to engage the button. Ticking the NRZ and checking the ini file too failed to help, every time I tried to set calibration in FSUIPC the Autothrottle wouldn't work correctly. The thrust would change when you moved the lever and often disconnect. I would have liked 2 axis assigned for throttle 1 and 2 but this required the axis to have their calibration sync'd.

  13. Auto Throttle

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    I had the same issue a few months ago with the NGX not ignoring any movement of the Saitek throttle quadrant levers when Autothrottle was engaged. With Petes kind help I still couldnt get it to work correctly as I would have liked. Tried so many different options, having throttle assigned to axis in FSX or controllers disabled in FSX and assigned via FSUIPC. The ONLY way I could prevent the thrust changing in the NGX was to make sure the throttles were NOT calibrated in FSUIPC, not ideal but meant I could move the physical control lever to match the N1 display in the sim without any sudden change of power.

    Chris Ibbotson

  14. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Here's the ini with the 2 throttes calibrated. This is a fresh FSX install and both throttles seem to work corectly now intune with each other compared to throttle 2 previously only going down to about 40-50% after syncing the axis, I've created about 5 sync points. They now work fine manually in the NGX but still issues when using the autothrottle. A white arc appears beside N1 thrust rating whilst the engines spool up/down, when autothrottle is engaged and cruising at the requested speed moving the saitek levers shows a blue arc so you can match the physical lever position to the N1% in the sim so that when you disconnect its the same and no sudden shift in power, just noticed with throttles calibrated in FSUIPC this blue arc is missing...its white so the engines change thrust until you let go of the throttles, they then go back to the correct value. Removing the throttles from your calibration page results in the NGX working correctly.

    Heres my calibrated ini

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    History=UNK6TOHLUP6FIW5VY0UFL

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    MaxIce=-4

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    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

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    WindSmoothing=Yes

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=No

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

    AileronSpikeRemoval=No

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=Yes

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

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    Sentences=

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    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

    7=2V,256

    8=2V,D,-16384,-3381,66080,0

    9=2V,U,9728,16383,66079,0

    10=2V,B,1536,6528,65700,0

    [Profile.]

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  15. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    This is my ini file at present, without the throttle axis set in the calibration tab. I'll calibrate them and post separately

    [General]

    UpdatedByVersion=4749e

    History=1TRAZUNSYVA2O2B1460LD

    MouseWheelTrim=No

    MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

    JoystickTimeout=20

    PollGFTQ6=Yes

    BlankDisplays=No

    FixControlAccel=Yes

    FixMachSpeedBug=No

    VisibilityOptions=No

    OneCloudLayer=No

    CloudTurbulence=No

    CloudIcing=Yes

    GenerateCirrus=No

    SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

    MaxIce=-4

    MinIce=-4

    UpperWindGusts=No

    SuppressWindTurbulence=No

    SuppressWindVariance=No

    WindTurbulence=No

    TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

    TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

    SuppressAllGusts=No

    MaxSurfaceWind=0

    WindLimitLevel=200

    WindDiscardLevel=400

    WindAjustAltitude=No

    WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

    SmoothBySimTime=No

    WindSmoothing=Yes

    WindSmoothness=2

    WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

    PressureSmoothness=0

    TemperatureSmoothness=0

    DisconnTrimForAP=No

    ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

    ThrottleSyncAll=No

    WhiteMessages=No

    ShowPMcontrols=No

    SpoilerIncrement=512

    MagicBattery=No

    RudderSpikeRemoval=No

    ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

    AileronSpikeRemoval=No

    ReversedElevatorTrim=No

    ClockSync=Yes

    ClockSyncMins=5

    ClearWeatherDynamics=No

    OwnWeatherChanges=No

    TimeForSelect=4

    LoadFlightMenu=No

    LoadPlanMenu=No

    PauseAfterCrash=No

    BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

    SaveDataWithFlights=No

    ZapSound=firework

    ShortAircraftNameOk=No

    UseProfiles=Yes

    EnableMouseLook=No

    AxesWrongRange=No

    TCASid=Flight

    TCASrange=40

    AxisCalibration=No

    DirectAxesToCalibs=No

    ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

    SuppressSingleline=No

    SuppressMultilineFS=No

    AxisIntercepts=No

    DontResetAxes=No

    InitDelay=0

    GetNearestAirports=No

    WeatherReadFactor=2

    WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

    CustomWeatherModify=No

    SimConnectStallTime=1

    LuaRerunDelay=66

    Console=No

    FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

    SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

    [JoyNames]

    AutoAssignLetters=No

    0=Logitech Formula Force EX USB

    0.GUID={F421FC40-1933-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    1=Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant

    1.GUID={EE3A0880-1934-11E1-8001-444553540000}

    2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

    2.GUID={EFE8C9F0-1934-11E1-8002-444553540000}

    [buttons]

    ButtonRepeat=20,10

    2=P1,3,K50,10

    3=P1,2,K49,10

    4=P1,4,K51,10

    5=P1,5,K52,10

    6=R2,14,K53,10

    7=R2,15,K54,10

    8=R2,16,K55,10

    9=R2,17,K56,10

    10=R2,18,K57,10

    11=R2,19,K48,10

    12=R1,7,C65966,0

    13=R1,8,C65971,0

    14=R2,0,K190,8

    15=R2,2,C65607,0

    17=P1,0,K190,10

    18=R2,3,C65615,0

    19=R2,32,C65734,0

    20=R2,36,C65735,0

    21=R2,38,C65671,0

    22=R2,34,C65672,0

    23=R2,39,C65854,0

    24=R2,33,C65856,0

    25=R2,35,C65857,0

    26=R2,37,C65855,0

    27=P2,5,C65860,0

    28=P1,1,C65861,0

    29=P2,6,C65564,0

    [AutoSave]

    Next=4

    Interval=120

    Files=5

    SaveOnGround=No

    AutoSaveEnabled=Yes

    1=Mon 190917

    2=Thu 224421

    3=Thu 224620

    4=Mon 190517

    5=Mon 190717

    6=Tue 225357

    7=Tue 225457

    8=Tue 225556

    9=Tue 233149

    10=Tue 224501

    [GPSout]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    Port=COM0

    Speed=4800

    Interval=2000

    PosTo6Decimal=No

    Sentences=

    [GPSout2]

    GPSoutEnabled=No

    Port=<none set>

    Speed=4800

    Interval=2000

    PosTo6Decimal=No

    Sentences=

    [WideServer]

    WideFSenabled=Yes

    [sounds]

    Path=D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\

    Device1=Primary Sound Driver

    Device2=Speakers (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device3=Digital Output (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    Device4=Speakers (Apowersoft_AudioDevice)

    Device5=SPDIF Interface (SoundMAX Integrated Digital HD Audio)

    [JoystickCalibration]

    AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

    ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

    ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

    ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

    SepRevsJetsOnly=No

    ApplyHeloTrim=No

    UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

    FlapsSetControl=0

    FlapDetents=No

    ReverserControl=66292

    Reverser1Control=66422

    Reverser2Control=66425

    Reverser3Control=66428

    Reverser4Control=66431

    MaxThrottleForReverser=256

    AileronTrimControl=66731

    RudderTrimControl=66732

    CowlFlaps1Control=66162

    CowlFlaps2Control=66163

    CowlFlaps3Control=66164

    CowlFlaps4Control=66165

    SteeringTillerControl=0

    MaxSteerSpeed=60

    Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

    Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

    Rudder=-16249,-512,512,16383/16

    Flaps=-16384,16256/16

    Spoilers=-16384,16128/16

    [Axes]

    0=0S,256,D,3,0,0,0

    1=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

    2=1Y,256,F,65820,65821,0,0

    3=1Z,256,F,65821,0,0,0

    4=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

    5=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

    7=2V,256

    8=2V,D,-16384,-3381,66080,0

    9=2V,U,9728,16383,66079,0

    10=2V,B,1536,6528,65700,0

    [Axes.]

    0=0S,256,D,3,0,0,0

    1=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0

    2=1Y,256,D,9,0,0,0

    3=1Z,256,D,10,0,0,0

    4=2X,256,F,65695,0,0,0

    5=2Y,256,F,65694,0,0,0

    6=2U,256,D,23,0,0,0

    7=2V,256

    8=2V,D,-16384,-3381,66080,0

    9=2V,U,9728,16383,66079,0

    10=2V,B,1536,6528,65700,0

    [Profile.]

    1=

  16. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Pete thats the problem, I did recalibrate both axis, I've Treble checked the assignments which are correct too, when NRZ is ticked, throttle 2 doesnt go into the minus figures like throttle 1, resetting it and even unplugging the controls and trying again still failed, it seemed to stop around +4000. I've a separate throttle quadrant and even tried two axis on that after removing from other quadrant but same results. BTW I only see one tickbox for NRZ and only one entry for it in the ini file, is this correct? I've also removed FSUIPC and reinstalled and started afresh with my assignments but no luck

  17. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    I assume you tried the NRZ option with the INI file change I mentioned (UseAxiscontrolsForNRZ) ?

    Odd that if this is a general problem no one else has mentioned it.

    However, there really isn't anything i can do about it if PMDG have programmed it in such a way that they only take account of throttle controls arriving from SimConnect at the top priority, which sounds like may be the case. You see, in order for FSUIPC to receive the values, calibrate or sync them, and send them back, it has to receive them from SimConnect at one priority level then send the changed ones back at a lower level. It cannot send at the same or higher level because you'd then get a never-ending loop and no one would ever see the throttle values.

    Regards

    Pete

    PMDG do warn in their Introduction Manual against calibrating using FSUIPC for some reason, perhaps this is one. Yes I tried both pressing the NRZ tickbox, as I use a button to reverse and also tried manually changing the INI to YES but on manual control those made thorottle 2 behave strangely, when pulling them both back the throttle one would go to idle but throttle 2 would stop around 50% and display the calibration going from +16300 down to approx +4000, it wouldnt go to -16300. Its not that big a deal I'm just glad I've got 2 throttles working, just thought I'd say incase there was a conflict with the Autothrottle on PMDG. On my original post the guy Martin had the exact same issue and he simply removed FSUIPC which will of course resolve it as it's not doing any calibration.

    Chris Ibbotson

  18. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Hi Pete,

    Just updating you on the above issues and no matter what I do or if throttle axis are assigned in FSX or FSUIPC they will now work correctly with the Autothrottle on the NGX providing I do NOT calibrate them using FSUIPC. Once I do that moving the levers results in the engines spooling up or down and eventual disconnection. It's a bit frustrating as I like the option to sync the axis so they are both calibrated the same.

    Chris Ibbotson

  19. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Hi Pete and thanks for your reply.

    Basically the issue appears to be that if 2 separate throttles are assigned either through FSX (and axis removed from FSUIPC) or vice versa any movement of the Saitek throttle lever when flying with the Autothrottle engaged resulted in the engines spooling up/down to match the controllers position then after a second or two would return to its correct postion, moving it a larger distance would result in the AT disconnecting and returning to manual speed control, PMDG have options for this throttle override to have it ALWAYS, NEVER or the realistic option in HOLD/ARM mode which would allow the pilot to pull back the thottles say to abort a takeoff thus disconnecting the AT. PMDG have implimented a new feature of a 'blue arc' on the N1 thrust display, it shows the physical position of your hardware controls compared to the sims position allowing you to adjust if you are planning to manually disconnect AT soon so theres no sudden shift in thrust.

    I think I tried it with the throttles reset in the calibration page, but will try your again when I return home. As it still gave issues only assigned via FSX controls it may not work but hope it does along with your suggestion about the *.ini file. A quick test on Friday with my whole Modules folder removed from the root directory made the throttles perform correctly but obviously I dont wish for this option. Frogot to say the Throttle Set 1 and 2 (sorry forgotten the exact name) are both calibrated with no reverse zone as I have thrust reverse assigned to two buttons which are triggered when the throttles are detended below idle.

    Thanks for any input in helping Pete

  20. Using separate throttle axis not working with NGX

    in FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules

    Posted

    Hi Pete,

    I hope you dont mind me cross posting a thread I started a couple of days ago on AVSIM regarding the above. I've been having issues using PMDG's 737NGX and its becoming apparent it only exists when FSUIPC is installed. The following URL will explain my initial issues which is a slightly edited copy of a post another user made in August who was having the same problems. The only way he could resolve it was to remove FSUIPC (which I can concur stopped my problems regarding the autothrottle) which I do not want to do as I like it and the work you have done to help G3D.DLL crashes means I must keep it as I was plaqued with them. I'm hoping you can look through this and comment, there's only a few posts to read. I'm using the latest installer with update 'e' installed

    http://forum.avsim.net/topic/355826-using-separate-throttles-with-the-737ngx/page__fromsearch__1

    Thanks

    Chris Ibbotson

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