[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

bradl,

Hehe, well plant me in the ground and call me corn! I looked under OPTIONS and sure enough there were the links (non-functioning) for uploading and downloading SIDs and STARS! Thanks! It finally sunk in.

I had never noticed them before and I have been using FSNAV4.6 for a couple of years- off and on. I didn't know enough about what I was doing to even look for them.

As an example of what a total unrehabilitatable moron I am, I always thought that I did have SIDs and STARSs info loaded into FSNAV. After all, the little SIDs & STARs boxes stayed checked when I was generating flight plans. I just figured that they were there someplace. :D

I assumed that they were included in the FSNAV install. It wasn't until I actually clicked on the the list under the Plan window and noticed nothing but some sort of place holder or something that I realized I was living in a fools paradise!

I was wondering how come I was still running into mountains on approaches even with the SID/STARS clicked in the flight plan generator window.

All I was doing was making flight plans that followed bits and peices of Hi and Lo airways- regardless of whether they were safe or no. I think it has finally sunk in that SIDs and STARs are what make it possible to get in and out of those Hi and Lo airways safely.

I am a happy guy! I am using SIDs and STARs like crazy now. I love 'em.

And I owe it all to starting out clueless but curious!

Cheers,

Chris

PS Has anyone ever been able to get the links to work? If so, how many moons ago are we talking?

[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

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[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

Hiya cfh2k5,

If I start telling you stuff that you already know feel free to push the ignore button. :lol:

The FSNAV_0511.exe file you find upon opening FSNAV_0511.zip does not install any SID or STAR information.

FSNAV_0511.exe is a self installer that places 2 files: airway.txt and isec.txt into your FS200X\MODULES\FSNavigator\Bin folder.

It places nothing into the SidStar folder.

These two files only contain information about the location and layouts of the HI and Lo airways.

When I clicked on FSNAV_0511.exe I told it to install whatever it was going to install into the same folder where I unzipped it to in the first place- so that I could see what it was up to.

Then I placed those 2 files, airway.txt and isec.txt, into the folder designated- the FS200X\MODULES\FSNavigator\Bin folder.

The SIDs and STARs are a different animals as I am sure you are aware- I am only just beginning to get a mental handle on them myself. So bear with me.

I think where I might be losing a couple of folks is that I still use FSNAV version 4.6 (I still fly FS2002 :) ) and as far as I know there is no download link to a SID/STAR download site located anywhere in FSNAV4.6.

I tried the link that you posted and get the exact same message. Obviosly there is something wrong with the link.

To my knowledge the only set of SID/STARs available for FSNAV are the ones located here at the FSNAVigator Download page.

But don't take my word for it. My knowledge is extremely limited.

The file you get from there, fsnavss8.zip, contains about 1100 SID/STARs that you simply copy into your FS2002\MODULES\FSNavigator\SidStar folder.

Cheers,

Chris

[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

Hehe, I guess I don't get what it is you are asking. :?: Sorry.

I have a question myself.

I downloaded the new FSNAV_0511.zip from NAVDATA.

After unzipping I installed FSNAV_0511.exe into a temporary folder as I usually do for such things. Then I moved airway.txt and isec.txt over to my FS2002\MODULES\FSNavigator\Bin folder- after backing up my two oldies (originals) from 0301.

My question is: am I done? Or do I have to rebuild the data base in order for FSNAV to be aware of the new airwar/isec info?

I looked at my current database settings and didn't see that these files were included.

Thanks,

Chris

[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

I had no problem downloading from either site.

I think that there is a link to the FSNAV web site in the FSNAV help section and the link to download the basic pack of SIDs and SARs can be found on the download page at that website- right below the link where you downloaded FSNAV from.

The proggie works just fine without the SIDs and SARs listing.

Chris

[2 (more) newbie questions]

On the off chance that you are not kidding :wink:

"wpt" is just short hand for waypoint

In the flight plan window, each line is a waypoint in the flight plan. The one you are heading for has a red square in the left hand column.

On the map, there will be a circular target at the same waypoint.

Chris

[download SID/STAR from fsnav 470]

If you are talking about the SID/STAR Basis package at FSNavigator Download page, I was able to download it without any problems just a few hours ago.

Cheers,

Chris

PS: If there is another pack in adition to or besides this one, please post the link!

Thanks

[What rules are followed when auto-gen'n a route?]

Just reading thru the old threads to see what I can learn.

When I was first learning to use FSNAV I would pretty much use the NAVAIDs plotting method.

But, as Alastair points out, unless you are flying in relatively flat terrain often times you end up getting the side of a mountain right in the kisser! :lol:

Nowadays I use the Hi or Low airways almost exclusively. They do seem to be built with terrain and safe approach directions in mind. Although every now and then- rarely compared to NAVAIDSs- one does have to take a little collision avoidance action.

Runways with ILS approaches seem to be more reliable than those without. Although I found out the other night that approaching Jackson Hole from the SSW will get you into trouble. :shock:

Cheers,

Chris

[2 (more) newbie questions]

You can always save the plan as a simulator flight plan and then load it up into the GPS before the flight. Fly the FSNAV plan and watch your progress in the GPS window.

Chris

[Decending SpeeD Help]

I experience the same deal. My aircraft eventually does slow to 250 knots but it does it well below 10000 feet- with the exact altitude determined pretty much by the plane.

Now days I pretty much just forget about it! :lol:

But here is one solution that I pretty much do all the time now.

In the aircraft dialogue box check the box that say "Fly with out airspeed hold" or some thing very close to that.

That way FSNAV still calculates the speed during decent and gives a read out in the IAS/Mach window and you can fine tune it more to your liking by hand instead of waiting for the auto throttle to do its thing.

These days I pretty much do all of my flights like that. I handle the throttle and let FSNAV handle the heading and altitude.

Besides, that 250 knot limit below 10000 feet is just to mollify the eco-geeks. Hehe, what do we care if we're still doin' 350k at 8000 feet?! :lol:

Cheers,

Chris

[Aircraft.ini.......wanna share?]

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with the Internet most information can be found somewhere !

Hi Alastair,

Yes, quite so. My old install had quite a nice assortment of plane profiles saved in FSNAV. But I neglected to save the FSNAV folder when I uninstalled everything.

I found all sort of things yesterday afternoon while looking around. Pretty much concluded that the best way is to just get real specific- like "dornier 328 rate of climb"- etc. Almost have to go thru each parameter one by one.

Stumbled across a few little nuggets. Here is a link to a nice though by no means exhaustive source:

Aircraft Performance

Thanks again,

Chris

[Aircraft.ini.......wanna share?]

Thanks Alastair for posting your FSNavigator Aircraft.ini file.

I just reinstalled FS2002 (yes, yes, I know- I need to get with the times! :lol: )

I purchased it and FSNAV 4.6 about the same time- January 2004.

Havent had either loaded on the machine for the last 7 months or so but thought I would load 'er back up and get re-aquainted.

I have been downloading a few add on aircraft- mostly from Mike Stones FS9 aircraft site to begin with and trying them on for size. I run them thru FSNAV and see how everything works for a couple of flights and if all is well I keep 'em.

Anyway, I noticed that many of the add ons come thinly supplied with operational specification data. Many time just a note saying- fly it and find out. Hehe.

Anyway, I have been adding planes as best I could here and there to my FSNAV Aicraft file but have had a dickens of a time finding the relevant specs.

Thought I would come over here and see if there was something available- some master aircraft spec file for FSNAV.

I found this thread right off the bat and now I am a much happier guy than when I started.

So, thanks!

Cheers,

Chris "MaskRider" Westervelt