goflight tq6 and flaps with negative value

[pantoleon]

i just installed fs9 and although everything works fine with the goflight tq6

the flaps lever calibrate fime with normal raw dara and through fsuipc i have these readings

in 0

out -16383 (!!!!!!!!!!!)

set 163 set 12388

for 5 increments

BUT when i have the lever on the middle spot I get a value of in 5705 and out -7 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

so i just cant get the flaps work well with any aircraft

how can i fix this???

why does it show neg values in the middle of thw lever ?

seems like in the 2nd increment of the flaps kever its near 0 and when i move it up it goes to -16383 and when i move it downwards it goes to 16369 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

same goes on spoilers values zeroing somewhere in the midlle of the lever

fsuipc 3411

gf 1.5

thanks

dimitris

[Pete Dowson]

i just installed fs9 and although everything works fine with the goflight tq6 the flaps lever calibrate fime with normal raw dara and through fsuipc i have these readings

in 0

out -16383 (!!!!!!!!!!!)

set 163 set 12388

for 5 increments

BUT when i have the lever on the middle spot I get a value of in 5705 and out -7 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

so i just cant get the flaps work well with any aircraft

how can i fix this???

You aren't trying to use FSUIPC to calibrate the flaps lever into any plastic notches on the device, are you? FSUIPC can't do that. It just takes the complete range of the flaps lever and divides it across the appropriate number of flap detentes for the current aircraft.

Just make sure that you can get to the minimum (OUT = -16383) when the lever is full forward (flaps up), and the maximum -- eg 16369 on a 9-detente aircraft, like the 737).

I don't know what you are complaining about with all those !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- what's that about? The range of control values FSD needs is max -16383 flaps up to +16383 flaps down, but FSUIPC converts the continuous range into increments, to avoid stupid positions mid-detente, or situations where FS is wavering between two of them because of slight jitter.

With the 737, for example, the increment between detents, as shown in FSUIPC's options (the position BELOW the flaps calibration) is 2047. This is actually only half the increment now needed, as it derives from the internal programmable interface value of the flaps control. Using 4094 gives:

Flaps 0 = -16383

Flaps 1 = -12289

Flaps 2 = -8195

Flaps 5 = -4101

Flaps 10 = -7

Flaps 15 = 4087

Flaps 25 = 8181

Flaps 30 = 12275

Flaps 40 = 16369

These values work well with the 737. Likewise, you will get different values and different numbers of detentes for each aircraft.

why does it show neg values in the middle of thw lever ?

Well, as you can surely see, around half of the values will be negative. Why is this surprising? These are the values required by FS for that axis.

The only thing I find odd and rather annoying with the TQ6 is that it has a very non-linear action -- the values seem to change too fast at either ends, and the centre area (where you get your -7, as do I) is very large. I assume this is more to do with the pots being used.

seems like in the 2nd increment of the flaps kever its near 0 and when i move it up it goes to -16383 and when i move it downwards it goes to 16369 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That sounds good and exactly what should be happening. Again, why all those !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????????

same goes on spoilers values zeroing somewhere in the midlle of the lever

That sounds good too. Again, the input FS wants on that axis is -16383 to +16383.

Why is all this so amazing for you, so much so that you overuse exclamation marks to the extreme?

I'm not sure how GoFlight intended the flaps lever to be used with the optional notches fitted -- I couldn't work out how to put them on in any case. To fit the calibration on a notch by notch basis would be quite a big job for FSUIPC. I did manage to do it in my PFC driver, but that has a specific known axis input to deal with.

Regards,

Pete

[pantoleon]

Dear Pete....dont get so wired up

I was using tq6 with fs2002 and just calibrated through windows game drivers....set the option for F lever for Flaps..and then in fsuipc checked the increments shown were ok....

and it worked great with no problem

So when I put fs9....I cant get the flaps to work correct...

would that be a more specific or less specific question on the forum u think?

It just ..and still does ..seemed strange that the in and out values dont match....and that -7 is somewhere in the middle of the lever....

that might be correct but FOR ME IT LOOKED STRANGE...cause the flaps dont work well so I thought I should mention it...

especially when I put the lever way up and I get full flaps (can I use one ! here ? I get full flaps with the Lever UP and neither on fsuipc nor on fs internal settings and assignments do I have a rev checked ..I thought its quite strange thus the excl array....).

and when I lower it nothing happens till that strange point where it becomes flaps 5 (somewhere near the -7) AND if i continue all the way down...it goes AGAIN back ro full Flaps

About the gf notches again the fs2002 was working fine ...I just had to decide how many increments there are on the specific aircraft ie 5 for cit x

so I used fsuipc and with flaps up I press "set" on the left for the value to the one showing at that position then with flaps on the 5th increment (NOT fully deployed) i pressed the "set" on the right for that value and click ok....

miraculously the fsuipc understood where the flap is and how much to deploy the flaps

I dont know how it was done...and frankly I dont care...it was done I was using the notches and was showing the correct flaps

END of story....

FOR fs9 not only cant i get the lever to put flaps up when its up

and fully deployed when its down...but it is puting flaps 5 somewhere in the middle and full flaps when u push fully down or fully up...

Without exclamatory signs but still confused

Any ideas are most welcome..

Dimitris

[Pete Dowson]

Dear Pete....dont get so wired up

Pardon? I certainly wasn't!It wasn't me using !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o

So when I put fs9....I cant get the flaps to work correct...

This is with FS calibration only? What doesn't work correctly about them?

It just ..and still does ..seemed strange that the in and out values dont match

That only happens if you elect to calibrate in FSUIPC. If you want them to be the same, simply press the button labelled "Reset", then FSUIPC will leave them entirely alone.

Surely you must understand that if you are asking FSUIPC to do something with the values, the OUT values are rarely if ever going to match the IN values -- it would have to do absolutely nothing at all to achieve that! You can easily make it do that by not using it -- please press "Reset", or close FS and delete the Joystick Calibration section in the FSUIPC.INI file (you'll find that in the FS Modules folder).

...and that -7 is somewhere in the middle of the lever....

Well, what yould you want there? I don't understand what you are expecting to see. How do you think it should work, and why? (Suggestions need to be made to Microsoft though, not so much me).

when I put the lever way up and I get full flaps (can I use one ! here ? I get full flaps with the Lever UP and neither on fsuipc nor on fs internal settings and assignments do I have a rev checked

Ah, I think the way the TQ6 works, you MUST have reverse set -- best to do that in the FS assignments. This is true whether or not you use FSUIPC -- you really do need to get things more or less right in FS first. Also check that FS's sensitivities are set at maximum if you calibrate in FSUIPC, otherwise you lose some scalable range. FS2004 in particular seems to have a temdency to whack that setting down to minimum!

On the TQ6 I think you'll find that flaps and spoilers both need Reverse.

I thought its quite strange thus the excl array....).

But it would have been better to explain what you were seeing that to just insert loads of exclamation marks, don't you think? They don't exactly explain much. :wink:

and when I lower it nothing happens till that strange point where it becomes flaps 5 (somewhere near the -7) AND if i continue all the way down...it goes AGAIN back ro full Flaps

Hmmmthat's odd. Please list the values you see (IN/OUT) and the values you've calibrated for Min and Max. What happens if you don't calibrate in FSUIPC?

About the gf notches again the fs2002 was working fine ...I just had to decide how many increments there are on the specific aircraft ie 5 for cit x

I don't know how GoFlight did that then -- are you using their driver? Maybe that sorts it all out. Maybe all your problems are because you actually have two programs trying to sort out the same axes? I don't have any GoFlight drivers or DLLs installed.

Check your GoFlight documentation, or the website, or ask GoFlight support.

so I used fsuipc and with flaps up I press "set" on the left for the value to the one showing at that position then with flaps on the 5th increment (NOT fully deployed) i pressed the "set" on the right for that value and click ok....

Well, FSUIPC isn't designed to work that way at all. You should be setting a stable minimum and a stable maximum, and that's it, for flaps anyway.

miraculously the fsuipc understood where the flap is and how much to deploy the flaps. I dont know how it was done...and frankly I dont care...it was done I was using the notches and was showing the correct flaps

It certainly is a miracle as FSUIPC has no knowledge of any physical notches on your device, and there's nothing specifically programmed in FSUIPC for any particular make of axis.

Any ideas are most welcome..

Well, certainly try it with the axis properly reversed in FS, and make sure the sensitivity is at maximum. Then try it without calibrating in FSUIPC at all. Then try calibrating properly in FSUIPC, with stable minimum and maximum values. After that I'm agraid it's got to be GoFlight support. I really have no idea how they expect their flaps lever to work. Their products are certainly not designed to be dependent upon a user registered FSUIPC installation.

As I said, I do have them working here okay (with the 9 detentes of the 737 and no GF drivers at all), but the large central zone (yes, with -7) is annoying.

Regards,

Pete

[pantoleon]

thanks pete will try with gf forum and try the tips u provided..

thanks for all the help!!!!!!!!! :-))))))))

dimitris