Feelthere ERJ Ground Spoiler/Air Brakes

[sulu600]

Hi Peter,

Hate to open old topic's and wound's between you and this add-on vendor, however, has anyone mentioned a problem with the complex way the ERJ deploys it ground spoiler/air brakes and a conflict with FSUIPC? I and several other's who have registered versions of FSUIPC are having trouble with the speed brake's deploying on the ground at speed's above 25 knot's and the throttle's are moved to idle. Once that occurs, the speed brake's deploy (thinking you have just landed and have retarded the throttles) and will not reset. Their cure is to "Remove" the FSUIPC.dll from the module's folder to fix the problem....not an option for me since a lot of other addon's require it. Has there been any further discussion's between you and the Feelthere developer's over the co-exsistence of both product's?

I do use FSUIPC to assign one of the axis on my CH Yoke to spoiler, however even removing this has no effect on the problem. They are deploying the spoiler's with the FS default key of "/" along with some internal logic that is very much like the real aircraft for actual deployment of the speed brakes/ground spoilers.

Steve Park

KSDF

[Pete Dowson]

Hate to open old topic's and wound's between you and this add-on vendor, however, has anyone mentioned a problem with the complex way the ERJ deploys it ground spoiler/air brakes and a conflict with FSUIPC?

There's no wounds that I know of (???)and there's really there cannot be any "conflict" with anything in FSUIPC if you aren't trying to use any conflicting options therein. And to answer your question, no, no one has mentioned any such thing. Sorry.

I and several other's who have registered versions of FSUIPC are having trouble with the speed brake's deploying on the ground at speed's above 25 knot's and the throttle's are moved to idle. Once that occurs, the speed brake's deploy (thinking you have just landed and have retarded the throttles) and will not reset. Their cure is to "Remove" the FSUIPC.dll from the module's folder to fix the problem.

FSUIPC does not touch the spoiler unless you tell it to, so quite honestly it cannot be anything to do with FSUIPC as such. If removing FSUIPC "fixes" it it can only be because either something else you've set FSUIPC to do is doing it, or another add-in or add-on is operating this through FSUIPC's facilities.

FSUIPC is not an "active" component, it only does what it is asked to do. Delete your FSUIPC.INI file so only default options are applied (none of which are related to throttles, axes or spoilers), and check the FSUIPC Log to see what other programs or modules are using it. Eliminate those one by one to find the culprit.

You seem to imply that you only get this with registration of FSUIPC -- and since all user-registration really does is allow you to use more options, it is I would have thought pretty obvious that it is most likely to be related to something you have set.

I do use FSUIPC to assign one of the axis on my CH Yoke to spoiler, however even removing this has no effect on the problem.

FSUIPC does NOT allow you to make any axis assignments. FSUIPC's joystick facilities operate on FS controls, there are no (repeat NO) axis assignments within FSUIPC and never have been. You must be making your spoiler axis assignment in FS, and that is where you have to delete it -- there's no way to make nor delete any such thing in FSUIPC.

Regards,

Pete

[sulu600]

Thank's for the quick reply Pete. I will try some more trick's in FS to see if I can find a work around for this strange behavior of just the ERJ. You are correct, I have the axis asigned in FS and "Calibrated" in FSUIPC, so will try to remove it there is see if this makes any difference.

I will pass along your view's on the spoiler problem to the Feelthere forum and see of the developer has another answer other than "Remove" xxx program to fix the problem.

Thank's again for all your support to this hobby.

Steve Park

[_ak]

Hi Pete, we has conversation about FT ERJ throttles at March, now the spoilers.

Panel uses KEY_SPOILERS_SET event internally. Is it can cause some problem like one that we has with throttles?

Thank you

[Pete Dowson]

Panel uses KEY_SPOILERS_SET event internally. Is it can cause some problem like one that we has with throttles?

It certainly will -- KEY_SPOILERS _SET is the Axis control which you are asking FSUIPC to calibrate. It is odd that, considering they only set full or no speedbrake they use the continuous axis control instead of the on/arm/off controls (the ones associated with the / key).

You will have to reset FSUIPC's calibration of spoilers and use no axis for speedbrakes with that aircraft.

Luckily, with recent versions of FSUIPC you can make joystick settings aircraft-specific, so just do this for that particular aircraft.

Regards,

Pete

[_ak]

Panel can set intermediate positions too and only toches spoiler if it's in 'wrong' position by plane logic.

So there is possible aircraft specific settings and that should be enough.

Thank you for clarification