Send visibility not working

[Christer]

Pete

I have set up a system with a main computer with visibility 100m from 500ft up to 6000ft that is sent to a viewcomputer displaying terrain.

But visibility recived is 100m from -1496ft up to 6000ft.

Seems like bottom altitude of visibility is always set to negative value so I can not get a break out of cloud on ILS. Bug as I see it, or?

Visibility weather sent:

431547 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (101m), from=500ft, to=6000ft

431547 Results: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=500ft, to=6000ft

Visibility weather recived:

77109 >NewSet: Visibility: range=0.1sm (97m) (Target=0.0sm), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

77156 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

I have set up a system with a main computer with visibility 100m from 500ft up to 6000ft that is sent to a viewcomputer displaying terrain.

But visibility recived is 100m from -1496ft up to 6000ft.

Er .. questions arising immediately include:

1. In FS98, FS2000, FS2002, FS2004 or FSX?

2. Are you using FSUIPC at all? Or WidevieW?

3. If FSUIPC, which version, and what settings have you got?

4. How are you setting the visibility? By dialogues in FS, or by program, or what?

5. Is it being set that way on the computer on which you are setting it?

6. How are you having it transmitted to another computer?

7. What is running on the other computer to receive it and act upon it?

Without at least some information, I can't really help much can I?

Note that until FS2004 multiple visibility layers were not supported -- only a surface visibility is available. I don't think multiple visibility layers work correctly in FS2004 or FSX -- when attempted they've been very problematic.

Generally the one and only working visibility layer, which is the surface visibilty layer, is set to begin at -1500 feet so that it reaches the ground all over the world.

Seems like bottom altitude of visibility is always set to negative value so I can not get a break out of cloud on ILS.

What has cloud got to do with it? You need to set a cloud layer if you want to break out of cloud. The visibility effects from cloud layers are not the same as those produced by the visibility layer.

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

Sorry for lack of info - here are answers:

1. FS2004 upgraded to 9.1

2. Using FSUIPC and WidevieW on all PC

3. FSUIPC 3.73. Which settings do you need to know?

4. Set visibility in FlightSim via menu "user defined", "advanced wether" "visibility" page setting base to 250ft and top to 6000ft and visibility to min 100m.

5. What do you mean by "Is it being set that way on the computer on which you are setting it"?

6. It is sent to visiblity PC by Wideview. Is not using automatic update but manual update.

7. Using FSUIPC and WidevieW on all PC

Enough ?

Christer

[Christer]

Answering:

"What has cloud got to do with it? You need to set a cloud layer if you want to break out of cloud. The visibility effects from cloud layers are not the same as those produced by the visibility layer. "

The clouds in FS2004 is not compact enough. You can be above cloudceling but still see the ground below you. I want to have zero visibility inside cloud until below cloud celing.

So I am setting lowest clouds AND visibility layers at same altitude. Problem is I can not send it to other PC.

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

2. Using FSUIPC and WidevieW on all PC

OkayI'm not actually sure how WidevieW reads and sets the weather, so your question will really need to be put to WidevieW support.

3. FSUIPC 3.73. Which settings do you need to know?

Are FSUIPC's weather settings set to minimum? Are there any visibility options set, such as graduated visibility and so on?

4. Set visibility in FlightSim via menu "user defined", "advanced wether" "visibility" page setting base to 250ft and top to 6000ft and visibility to min 100m.

5. What do you mean by "Is it being set that way on the computer on which you are setting it"?

I thought that was obvious. I mean that, having set the weather in FS's weather settings, as you described, did they apear to operate the way you set them in FS on that specific PC. Forget the other PC, we need first to check that it is working on the first one. [sorry, I don't really know how else to say it -- I don't understand what is so hard about the way I worded it in the first place].

6. It is sent to visiblity PC by Wideview. Is not using automatic update but manual update.

Sorry, I don't know what those are. I don't know WidevieW and I've not used it since FS98.

Enough ?

No, see below. And what about my point that visibility is NOT cloud, as you seemed to assume?

Other questions:

1. Are you using local or global weather? i.e. is the weather you are setting specific to a weather station? I am not clear how you are doing this.

2. Do you clear all the weather first?

Please, try using my WeatherSet2 program to read the weather on the PC on which you set the visibility. Read both the global and the weather at the weather station. See what visibility data is being set there, as readable by program.

WeatherSet2 reads FS9 local and global weather. I do not know what WidevieW reads.

I get a strong feeling that your question is really aimed at WidevieW. Let's just check that the weather is setting correctly on the prime PC first. If it is and it is readable, then it becomes a question of how WidevieW is reading it there and how it is writing it at the other end.

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

OkayI'm not actually sure how WidevieW reads and sets the weather, so your question will really need to be put to WidevieW support.

Well, I am just guessing that it is FSUIPC as I see the differance in FSUIPC log that visiblity low celing is sent ok but recived with negative altitude. Whos to blame I do not know.

Are FSUIPC's weather settings set to minimum?

Yes all is off.

did they apear to operate the way you set them in FS on that specific PC

Now I get it. Yes everything is perfect on PC where I set the visibility layer. Set lower layer to 500 ft and it is sharp bottom where visibility goes from 100m at 501ft to unlimited at 499ft.

And what about my point that visibility is NOT cloud, as you seemed to assume?

I do set clouds with base same as visibility! Problem is if I set visibility to 1200 m and cloudbase to 250 ft I will see the ground before I get down to 250ft as the visibility is 1200m. I will see the ground when I get below 1200 m altitude and that is not realistic.

Are you using local or global weather?

Global weather.

Do you clear all the weather first?

No just update with Wideview. It is then cleared by FS9 (?) before new weather is set.

Maybe it is a question for Wideview as it is working ok on the PC where I set it. I do not know which program that reads, sends and recives visibility. I will post it there too if you think it will help me.

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

... I see the differance in FSUIPC log that visiblity low celing is sent ok but recived with negative altitude. Whos to blame I do not know.

These are the logs from which you quoted two lines only from each originally? What logging options did you have enabled? It would be helpful to see what commands resulted in what you see. Why keep the rest a secret?

Maybe it is a question for Wideview as it is working ok on the PC where I set it. I do not know which program that reads, sends and recives visibility.

It is possible the WidevieW reads visibility from FSUIPC in one and writes visibility via FSUIPC in the other. But there are three different interfaces through which it can operate, and the oldest one of these (the FS98 compatible system) doesn't support visibility layers. Even if it uses one of the other interfaces (AWI, FS2000, global only, or NWI, FS2002/4 with global and local support), I don't know how it might be using them.

Using the WeatherSet2 (NWI) and WeatherSet (AWI) programs on the Server PC, as I asked, would allow you to verify that those interfaces were reading the visibility as you set it. That's why I asked you to try them. If they are reading okay, but WidevieW isn't, then that would be a WidevieW matter for sure.

Alternatively, it could be that WidevieW is reading them okay but writing them incorrectly, so logging of the weather data on the client, especially the weather commands, would have ben illuminating too. It may also then show if it is a problem of actually setting the weather on that PC via FSUIPC.

By releasing your information in little tidbits it is taking rather a long time and a lot of effort to not get very far. I don't mind helping here, but please see if you can do something when asked, and possibly supply more inofrmation. Also let me know what WidevieW support have to say.

Considering both FSUIPC and WidevieW have been around for many years I am surprised this has only arisen just now, well into FSX developments and over three and a half years after FS2004 was released. Maybe no one has ever used WidevieW for weather transfer before? Seems rather unlikely?

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

Maybe no one has ever used WidevieW for weather transfer before?

Excuse me, but how can it be done without Wideview ? I want the view PC to show me weather at the aircrafts present position, so I have to use Wideview and Fsuipc, right ? Please educate me if there are other options.

Tested with Weatherset and weatherset2 and both show that main pc have visibility layer from 500ft to 6000ft, so that is ok.

I am not trying to hide any info, I just do not know what of all logs and setups in FS9 and utility programs that could help solve the problem. Sorry for the inconviniance.

I do not think that many people are using the visibilitylayer to set bottom altitude and also sending it to a view pc to get a realistic ifr approach, so why should it not be a new bug? In my experiance there is always one more bug, no matter how old or well behaving a program is.

I have added this qestion on Wideview forum to see if anyone have a solution there.

Below is log file from test with setting visibility layer with bottom at 500ft, that works in server pc but is set to -1500ft on view pc. Excluded userid as this is public forum.

Here is fsuipc.log for server:

********* FSUIPC, Version 3.73 by Pete Dowson *********

Running on Windows Version 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

Verifying Certificate for "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\MODULES\FSUIPC.dll" now ...

SUCCESS! Signature verifies okay!

Running inside FS2004 (FS9.1 CONTROLS.DLL, FS9.1 WEATHER.DLL)

FSUIPC Key is provided

WideFS Key is provided

Module base=61000000

ClassOptions: UIPCMAIN=FF7F, FS98MAIN=FF7F, FS2KMAIN=FF5E

WeatherOptions(Orig)=480036A7[480036A7]

InitDelay: 0 seconds

WeatherReadInterval=4

LogOptions=00000001

DebugStatus=255

750 System time = 11:12:41

750 \\MAIN\C\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\

765 System time = 11:12:41, FS2004 time = 12:00:00 (00:00Z)

1297 C:\Documents and Settings\LFK Simulator\My Documents\Flight Simulator Files\pa-28 demo.flt

1328 AIRCRAFT\PA28180\SingleEngineProp.air

1500 Aircraft="Piper PA-28 SE-SIM"

6562 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled

12797 AIRCRAFT\SESIM\Cessna172SP.air

12984 Aircraft="Sivek SE-SIM"

403343 FS98 Pressure=1013.2 mb

403343 FS98 Wind0: ground (16ft) to 3300ft AGL, dir 0M, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

403343 FS98 Wind1: 3316ft to 3300ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

403343 FS98 Wind2: 3300ft to 9799ft AMSL, dir=14T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

403343 FS98 Wind3: 9799ft to 100000ft AMSL, dir=29T, vel 10, gust 0, turb 0

403343 FS98 AmbientWind at PlaneAlt=19: dir 358M, vel 1

403343 FS98 Vis: range=38sm, (raw value=3768)

403343 FS98 Cloud1: type=9, from 12919ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover 4, turb 0, ice 0

403343 FS98 Cloud2: type=1, from 17696ft to 24258ft (+/- 3ft), cover 3, turb 0, ice 0

403343 FS98 Temp0: to 16ft, Day 15.0C, NightVar 3.0C

403343 FS98 CurrTemp at PlaneAlt=19: 15C

404609 WeatherOptions set, now 480036A7 (timer=0)

404609 LogOptions changed, now 00000003 (LogExtras=0)

404656 *VIS* SM: Min=0.00, MaxRny=0.00, MaxOvc=0.00, MaxCld=0.00, MaxClr=0.00, Upper=60.00, FT: LwrAlt=0, UppAlt=25000

404656 >Change: FS98 Vis: range=150sm, (raw value=15000)

404656 >Change: FS98 Dewpoint Control: disabled

404656 >Change: FS98 Precip Control: disabled

404656 >Change: Pressure=1013.2 mb (Target is 0.0)

404656 >Change: surface wind: to alt=3300ft AGL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0, Flags=0, AMSL=3316

404656 >Change: wind layer 0: to alt=3300ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

404656 >Change: wind layer 1: to alt=9800ft AMSL, dir=15T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

404656 >Change: wind layer 2: to alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=30T, vel=10.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

404656 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=37.7sm (60640m), from=-1496ft, to=6001ft

404656 >Change: Cloud[0]: type=9, from 12920ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover=4, turb=0, topshape=0

404656 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

404656 >Change: Cloud[1]: type=1, from 17697ft to 24259ft (+/- 3ft), cover=3, turb=0, topshape=0

404656 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

404656 >Change: Temperature[0]: alt=0ft, Day=15.0 C, NightVar=3.0 C, DewPt=5.0 C

404656 Results: Visibility[0]: range=37.7sm (60640m), from=-1496ft, to=6001ft

431172 Clear All Weather requested: external weather discarded

431547 >Change: FS98 Pressure=0.0 mb

431547 >Change: FS98 Vis: range=0sm, (raw value=0)

431547 >Change: FS98 Dewpoint Control: 0.0C

431547 >Change: FS98 Precip Control: None, Intensity=0

431547 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (101m), from=500ft, to=6000ft

431547 >Change: Cloud[0]: type=8, from 500ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover=8, turb=0, topshape=0

431547 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

431547 Results: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=500ft, to=6000ft

431547 Results: FS98 Vis: range=0sm, (raw value=6)

431547 Results: FS98 Cloud1: type=8, from 498ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover 8, turb 0, ice 0

443672 LogOptions changed, now 00000001 (LogExtras=0)

Here is fsuipc.log for View pc:

********* FSUIPC, Version 3.73 by Pete Dowson *********

Running on Windows Version 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2

Verifying Certificate for "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\MODULES\FSUIPC.dll" now ...

SUCCESS! Signature verifies okay!

Running inside FS2004 (FS9.1 CONTROLS.DLL, FS9.1 WEATHER.DLL)

FSUIPC Key is provided

WIDEFS not user registered, or expired

Module base=61000000

ClassOptions: UIPCMAIN=FF7F, FS98MAIN=FF7F, FS2KMAIN=FF5E

WeatherOptions(Orig)=40003605[40003605]

InitDelay: 0 seconds

WeatherReadInterval=4

LogOptions=00000001

DebugStatus=15

765 System time = 11:18:35

765 C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\

765 System time = 11:18:35, FS2004 time = 12:00:00 (00:00Z)

1265 C:\Documents and Settings\Lfk Simulator\My Documents\Flight Simulator Files\SE-SIM.flt

1297 AIRCRAFT\SingleEngineProp\SingleEngineProp.air

1453 Aircraft="Piper PA-28 SE-SIM"

6078 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled

36031 FS98 Pressure=1013.2 mb

36031 FS98 Wind0: ground (16ft) to 2001ft AGL, dir 0M, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

36031 FS98 Wind1: 2017ft to 215009ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

36031 FS98 Vis: range=60sm, (raw value=6000)

36031 FS98 Temp0: to 16ft, Day 15.0C, NightVar 3.0C

36031 FS98 CurrTemp at PlaneAlt=19: 15C

36797 WeatherOptions set, now 40003605 (timer=0)

36797 LogOptions changed, now 00000003 (LogExtras=0)

37000 *VIS* SM: Min=0.00, MaxRny=0.00, MaxOvc=0.00, MaxCld=0.00, MaxClr=0.00, Upper=60.00, FT: LwrAlt=0, UppAlt=25000

37000 >Change: FS98 Vis: range=150sm, (raw value=15000)

37000 >Change: FS98 Dewpoint Control: disabled

37000 >Change: FS98 Precip Control: disabled

37000 >Change: Pressure=1013.2 mb (Target is 0.0)

37000 >Change: surface wind: to alt=2000ft AGL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0, Flags=0, AMSL=2016

37000 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=60.0sm (96560m), from=-4921ft, to=15000ft

37000 >Change: Temperature[0]: alt=0ft, Day=15.0 C, NightVar=3.0 C, DewPt=5.0 C

37000 Results: Visibility[0]: range=60.0sm (96561m), from=-4921ft, to=15000ft

75484 >Change: AWI All Clr

75484 Clearing All Weather

76140 >Change: AWI Clouds Set

76140 >Change: Cloud: type=8, from 499ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover 8, turb 0, ice 0

76140 >Change: Cloud: type=1, from 17697ft to 24259ft (+/- 3ft), cover 3, turb 0, ice 0

76140 >Change: AWI Visibility Set

76140 >Change: Vis: from 499ft to 5997ft, range=0sm, (raw value=6)

76140 >Change: AWI Pressure Set

76140 >Change: Pressure=1013.2 mb, Drift=0.0 mb

76140 >Change: AWI Temperature Set

76140 >Change: Temp: to 0ft, Day 15C, Nightvar 3C, Dewpoint 5C

76140 >Change: AWI Winds Set

76140 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=3301ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

76140 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=3301ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

76140 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=9800ft AMSL, dir=14T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

76140 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=29T, vel 10, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

77109 >NewSet: **** New Weather [1] being set: ICAO=GLOB (Dyn=0)

77109 >NewSet: Pressure=1013.2, Drift=0.0 (Target=1013.2)

77109 >NewSet: Visibility: range=0.1sm (97m) (Target=0.0sm), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

77109 >NewSet: Temperature[0]: alt=0ft, Day=15 C, NightVar=3 C, DewPt=5 C

77109 >NewSet: Surface wind: to alt=3301ft AMSL, dir=0T (Tgt 0.4), vel=0.00 (Tgt 0.0), gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

77109 >NewSet: Wind layer 1: to alt=9800ft AMSL, dir=15T (Tgt=15.0), vel=0.0 (Tgt=0.0), gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

77109 >NewSet: Wind layer 2: to alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=30T, vel=10.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

77109 >NewSet: Cloud[0]: type=8, from 499ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover=8, turb=0, topshape=0

77109 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

77109 >NewSet: Cloud[1]: type=1, from 17697ft to 24259ft (+/- 3ft), cover=3, turb=0, topshape=0

77109 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

77109 >NewSet: Cloud[2]: type=1, from 35505ft to 35538ft (+/- 98ft), cover=2, turb=0, topshape=0

77109 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=1

77109 >NewSet: **** End of New Weather details for ICAO=GLOB

77156 >Change: surface wind: to alt=3300ft AGL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0, Flags=0, AMSL=3316

77156 >Change: wind layer 0: to alt=9800ft AMSL, dir=15T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

77156 >Change: wind layer 1: to alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=30T, vel=10.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

77156 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

77156 >Change: Cloud[0]: type=8, from 499ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover=8, turb=0, topshape=0

77156 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

77156 >Change: Cloud[1]: type=1, from 17697ft to 24259ft (+/- 3ft), cover=3, turb=0, topshape=0

77156 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

77156 >Change: Cloud[2]: type=1, from 35505ft to 35538ft (+/- 98ft), cover=2, turb=0, topshape=0

77156 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=1

77156 Results: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

77156 Results: FS98 Wind0: ground (16ft) to 3300ft AGL, dir 0M, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

77156 Results: FS98 Wind1: 3316ft to 9799ft AMSL, dir=14T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

77156 Results: FS98 Wind2: 9799ft to 100000ft AMSL, dir=29T, vel 10, gust 0, turb 0

77156 Results: FS98 Vis: range=0sm, (raw value=6)

77156 Results: FS98 Cloud1: type=8, from 498ft to 14416ft (+/- 3ft), cover 8, turb 0, ice 0

77156 Results: FS98 Cloud2: type=1, from 17696ft to 24258ft (+/- 3ft), cover 3, turb 0, ice 0

77156 Results: FS98 Temp0: to 16ft, Day 15.0C, NightVar 3.0C

92437 LogOptions changed, now 00000001 (LogExtras=0)

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

Maybe no one has ever used WidevieW for weather transfer before?

Excuse me, but how can it be done without Wideview ?

I don't know, but that wasn't the point. I thought WidevieW was used to coordinate scenery mainly. I don't know how well it does weather -- it cannot match cloud images in any case, until FSX where it is possible, via SimConnect, to read actual cloud position data.

Tested with Weatherset and weatherset2 and both show that main pc have visibility layer from 500ft to 6000ft, so that is ok.

Okay. Good.

I am not trying to hide any info, I just do not know what of all logs and setups in FS9 and utility programs that could help solve the problem. Sorry for the inconviniance.

Now we know it is okay on the Server, and can be read by programs using FSUIPC, then at least we know that WidevieW should be able to READ it there, and therefore SEND it to the Client. Now we need to know what it does with it on the Client, so a weather log from FSUIPC on the client would be useful. From your original message it seemed you'd already done this logging but chose to only show 2 lines. Maybe the answer is in the lines leading to those? Let's see:

75484 >Change: AWI All Clr

...

76140 >Change: AWI Visibility Set

76140 >Change: Vis: from 499ft to 5997ft, range=0sm, (raw value=6)

77109 >NewSet: **** New Weather [1] being set: ICAO=GLOB (Dyn=0)

77109 >NewSet: Visibility: range=0.1sm (97m) (Target=0.0sm), from=-1496ft, to=5997ft

Okaynow this is better information. We see that WidevieW uses the AWI, which is good, and tries to set GLOBal weather, with the correct visibility values. Good.

But then FSUIPC converts the base value to -1500 feet. So, this seems like some options in FSUIPC are not correct. That, I need to investigate.

I see the line

WeatherOptions(Orig)=480036A7[480036A7]

for the Server, but

WeatherOptions(Orig)=40003605[40003605]

for the Client, which certainly implies some differences in your settings. I'll need to analyse those bits to see what they mean.

Meanwhile, could you show me the FSUIPC.INI file?

BTW version 3.73 of FSUIPC is out of date and unsupported. 3.74 has been current for a while.

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

Meanwhile, could you show me the FSUIPC.INI file?

For server pc fsuipc.ini:

[General]

History=Y6VFKB3WHR1TFJ36HF7R9

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

TrafficScanPerFrame=10

AxisCalibration=No

CentredDialogue=No

ClearWeatherDynamics=No

OwnWeatherChanges=No

WeatherReadInterval=4

MoveBGLvariables=Yes

TimeForSelect=4

MainMenu=&Modules

SubMenu=&FSUIPC ...

WindSmoothing=No

AutoTaxiWind=Yes

PropTaxiWind=No

TimeSetMode=Partial

WhiteMessages=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

GraduatedVisibility=No

LowerVisAltitude=0

UpperVisAltitude=25000

UpperVisibility=6000

GenerateCirrus=No

WindShearSharp=No

UpperWindGusts=Yes

ExtendMetarMaxVis=No

PatchSimApAlt=No

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

AutoClearWeather=Yes

ExtendTopWind=Yes

WindSmoothness=5

SmoothPressure=No

PressureSmoothness=5

SmoothVisibility=No

VisibilitySmoothness=2

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

MinimumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityFewClouds=0

MaximumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityOvercast=0

MaximumVisibilityRainy=0

OneCloudLayer=No

ThinClouds=No

ThinThunderClouds=No

CloudThinness=1000

ThunderCloudThinness=10000

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

WindTurbulence=No

SuppressAllGusts=No

ExternalOptionControl=Yes

AutoTuneADF=No

KeepFS98CloudCover=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

MagicBattery=Yes

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

TrapUserInterrupt=Yes

NavFreq50KHz=No

ClockSync=No

SmoothIAS=No

SetVisUpperAlt=No

VisUpperAltLimit=6000

MaxIce=-4

WindSmoothingDelay=0

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=No

VisSmoothingDelay=0

VisSmoothAirborneOnly=No

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

ShortAircraftNameOk=No

FixWindows=No

FixControlAccel=No

MinIce=-4

LimitWindVariance=No

TrafficControlDirect=Yes

WeatherReadsFast=No

StopAutoFuel=No

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

[JoystickCalibration]

ExclThrottleSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

FlapsSetControl=0

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=0

RudderTrimControl=0

CowlFlaps1Control=0

CowlFlaps2Control=0

CowlFlaps3Control=0

CowlFlaps4Control=0

Reverser1=-16380,16380

PropPitch=0,0

Mixture=-16380,16380/16

Aileron=-16380,2,2,10000

Throttle=-16380,16380

Elevator=-16380,3071,3071,16380/24

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

ElevatorTrim=-16380,-512,512,16380

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapDetents=No

MaxSteerSpeed=60

[JOYSTICKCALIBRATION]

----skip joystick, button, key commands----

For view pc the fsuipc.ini is:

[General]

History=U3Y3YF70LVZJ59TW75XHB

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

TrafficScanPerFrame=10

AxisCalibration=No

CentredDialogue=Yes

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

ClearWeatherDynamics=Yes

OwnWeatherChanges=No

WeatherReadInterval=4

MoveBGLvariables=Yes

TimeForSelect=4

WeatherReadsFast=No

MainMenu=&Modules

SubMenu=&FSUIPC ...

WindSmoothing=No

AutoTaxiWind=No

PropTaxiWind=No

TimeSetMode=Partial

WhiteMessages=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

GraduatedVisibility=No

LowerVisAltitude=0

UpperVisAltitude=25000

UpperVisibility=6000

GenerateCirrus=Yes

WindShearSharp=No

UpperWindGusts=No

ExtendMetarMaxVis=Yes

PatchSimApAlt=Yes

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

AutoClearWeather=Yes

ExtendTopWind=Yes

WindSmoothness=5

SmoothPressure=No

PressureSmoothness=5

SmoothVisibility=No

VisibilitySmoothness=2

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

MinimumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityFewClouds=0

MaximumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityOvercast=0

MaximumVisibilityRainy=0

OneCloudLayer=No

ThinClouds=No

ThinThunderClouds=No

CloudThinness=1000

ThunderCloudThinness=10000

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

WindTurbulence=No

SuppressAllGusts=No

ExternalOptionControl=Yes

AutoTuneADF=No

KeepFS98CloudCover=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

MagicBattery=No

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

StopAutoFuel=No

TrapUserInterrupt=Yes

NavFreq50KHz=No

ClockSync=No

SmoothIAS=Yes

SetVisUpperAlt=No

VisUpperAltLimit=6000

MaxIce=3

MinIce=-1

WindSmoothingDelay=0

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=No

LimitWindVariance=No

VisSmoothingDelay=0

VisSmoothAirborneOnly=No

TrafficControlDirect=Yes

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

ShortAircraftNameOk=No

FixWindows=No

FixControlAccel=No

[JoystickCalibration]

ExclThrottleSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=0

RudderTrimControl=0

CowlFlaps1Control=0

CowlFlaps2Control=0

CowlFlaps3Control=0

CowlFlaps4Control=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

Thanks. As I mentioned, the weather options aren't the same on both PCs. It looks like you've not selected minimum weather options on the client, where it is important so WidevieW's settings aren't changed. There is no harm in having options set on the Server (like the auto-taxi wind and extend upper wind, as you have set), but everything should really be off on the client to avoid interference. I'm sure Luciano's documentation tells you this some place.

In your case the likely visibility interference is coming from this:

ExtendMetarMaxVis=Yes

which is from a checked item on the Visibility tab in FSUIPC. You also have:

ExtendTopWind=Yes

which will be on the Winds page and

GenerateCirrus=Yes

from the Clouds page.

Please try again with minimum weather options ON THE CLIENT (it doesn't matter about the Server, as the weather there is being read, not written). Check the visibility option settings specifically.

Let me know if you still have a problem and I'll try to set something up here.

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

ExtendMetarMaxVis=Yes ExtendTopWind=Yes GenerateCirrus=Yes

Changed on client to No on all these.

Set visibility layer 100m from 500ft up to 6000ft again but, sorry, on client visibility is 100m from below ground up to 6000ft.

Any more suggestions?

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

Any more suggestions?

Log from client again please?

I don't have WidevieW but I'll try to set up something which just copies the visibility here. Might take a while though. Maybe over the weekend.

Pete

[Christer]

Log from client again please?

Sure, no problem.

Client pc fsuipc.log:

********* FSUIPC, Version 3.73 by Pete Dowson *********

Running inside FS2004 (FS9.1 CONTROLS.DLL, FS9.1 WEATHER.DLL)

FSUIPC Key is provided

WIDEFS not user registered, or expired

[Continuation log requested by user]

Module base=61000000

ClassOptions: UIPCMAIN=FF7F, FS98MAIN=FF7F, FS2KMAIN=FF5E

WeatherOptions(Orig)=4000B687[4000B687]

InitDelay: 0 seconds

WeatherReadInterval=4

LogOptions=00000003

135172 System time = 18:24:51, FS2004 time = 11:12:05 (10:12Z)

135172 *VIS* SM: Min=0.00, MaxRny=0.00, MaxOvc=0.00, MaxCld=0.00, MaxClr=0.00, Upper=60.00, FT: LwrAlt=0, UppAlt=25000

135172 WeatherOptions set, now 4000B687 (timer=0)

135172 LogOptions changed, now 00000003 (LogExtras=0)

135922 >Change: FS98 Vis: range=150sm, (raw value=15000)

135922 >Change: FS98 Dewpoint Control: disabled

135922 >Change: FS98 Precip Control: disabled

135922 >Change: Pressure=1012.9 mb (Target is 1012.9)

135922 >Change: surface wind: to alt=2000ft AGL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0, Flags=0, AMSL=2172

135922 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=60.0sm (96561m), from=-4921ft, to=15000ft

135922 >Change: Temperature[0]: alt=0ft, Day=15.0 C, NightVar=3.0 C, DewPt=5.0 C

135922 Results: Visibility[0]: range=60.0sm (96561m), from=-4921ft, to=15000ft

140985 >Change: AWI All Clr

140985 Clearing All Weather

141735 >Change: AWI Clouds Set

141735 >Change: Cloud: type=9, from 13094ft to 21296ft (+/- 3ft), cover 4, turb 0, ice 0

141735 >Change: Cloud: type=1, from 24577ft to 31138ft (+/- 3ft), cover 3, turb 0, ice 0

141735 >Change: Cloud: type=1, from 38586ft to 38619ft (+/- 98ft), cover 2, turb 0, ice 1

141735 >Change: AWI Visibility Set

141735 >Change: Vis: from 499ft to 6499ft, range=0sm, (raw value=6)

141735 >Change: AWI Pressure Set

141735 >Change: Pressure=1012.9 mb, Drift=0.0 mb

141735 >Change: AWI Temperature Set

141735 >Change: Temp: to 174ft, Day 15C, Nightvar 10C, Dewpoint 0C

141735 >Change: AWI Winds Set

141735 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=3497ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

141735 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=3501ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

141735 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=10000ft AMSL, dir=14T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

141735 >Change: Wind: Upper alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=29T, vel 10, gust 0, turb 0, shear 0

141766 >NewSet: **** New Weather [1] being set: ICAO=GLOB (Dyn=0)

141766 >NewSet: Pressure=1012.9, Drift=0.0 (Target=1012.9)

141766 >NewSet: Visibility: range=0.1sm (97m) (Target=0.0sm), from=-1496ft, to=6499ft

141766 >NewSet: Temperature[0]: alt=174ft, Day=15 C, NightVar=10 C, DewPt=0 C

141766 >NewSet: Surface wind: to alt=3497ft AMSL, dir=0T (Tgt 0.2), vel=0.00 (Tgt 0.0), gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141766 >NewSet: Wind layer 1: to alt=3501ft AMSL, dir=0T (Tgt=0.2), vel=0.0 (Tgt=0.0), gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141766 >NewSet: Wind layer 2: to alt=10000ft AMSL, dir=15T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141766 >NewSet: Wind layer 3: to alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=30T, vel=10.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141766 >NewSet: Cloud[0]: type=9, from 13094ft to 21296ft (+/- 3ft), cover=4, turb=0, topshape=0

141766 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

141766 >NewSet: Cloud[1]: type=1, from 24577ft to 31138ft (+/- 3ft), cover=3, turb=0, topshape=0

141766 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

141766 >NewSet: Cloud[2]: type=1, from 38586ft to 38619ft (+/- 98ft), cover=2, turb=0, topshape=0

141766 >NewSet: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=1

141766 >NewSet: **** End of New Weather details for ICAO=GLOB

141813 >Change: surface wind: to alt=3500ft AGL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0, Flags=0, AMSL=3672

141813 >Change: wind layer 0: to alt=3500ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141813 >Change: wind layer 1: to alt=10000ft AMSL, dir=15T, vel=0.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141813 >Change: wind layer 2: to alt=100000ft AMSL, dir=30T, vel=10.0, gust=0.0, turb=0, shear=0, var=0.0

141813 >Change: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=-1496ft, to=6499ft

141813 >Change: Cloud[0]: type=9, from 13094ft to 21296ft (+/- 3ft), cover=4, turb=0, topshape=0

141813 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

141813 >Change: Cloud[1]: type=1, from 24577ft to 31138ft (+/- 3ft), cover=3, turb=0, topshape=0

141813 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=0

141813 >Change: Cloud[2]: type=1, from 38586ft to 38619ft (+/- 98ft), cover=2, turb=0, topshape=0

141813 >Change: Precip=0, base=0ft, rate=0, icing=1

141813 Results: Visibility[0]: range=0.1sm (97m), from=-1496ft, to=6499ft

141813 Results: FS98 Wind0: ground (170ft) to 3500ft AGL, dir 0M, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

141813 Results: FS98 Wind1: 3671ft to 3500ft AMSL, dir=0T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

141813 Results: FS98 Wind2: 3500ft to 10000ft AMSL, dir=14T, vel 0, gust 0, turb 0

141813 Results: FS98 Wind3: 10000ft to 100000ft AMSL, dir=29T, vel 10, gust 0, turb 0

141813 Results: FS98 Vis: range=0sm, (raw value=6)

141813 Results: FS98 Cloud1: type=9, from 13093ft to 21295ft (+/- 3ft), cover 4, turb 0, ice 0

141813 Results: FS98 Cloud2: type=1, from 24576ft to 31138ft (+/- 3ft), cover 3, turb 0, ice 0

141875 Results: FS98 AmbientWind at PlaneAlt=173: dir 0M, vel 0

155031 LogOptions changed, now 00000001 (LogExtras=0)

Christer

[Pete Dowson]

Set visibility layer 100m from 500ft up to 6000ft again but, sorry, on client visibility is 100m from below ground up to 6000ft.

Okay. I've now checked this.

The problem is in the old FS2000 Advanced Weather Interface (AWI) which WidevieW is still using. In FS2000 and before there was only the possibility of a single visibility setting, and it applied from the surface up to a specific level above which the default "unlimited" or "max" value would apply.

The AWI therefore arranges for the visibility to start at ground level. It used to set 0 feet, but this gave weird problems at Schiphol and other areas below sea level, so it was set to a much lower altitude, as you have observed.

I am not sure what was possible in FS2002 (my memory is failing due to old age and too much wine and beer), but I am pretty sure it was much the same. Certainly FSUIPC still only supported the one visibility and the AWI was as good as it got.

For FS2004 a lot more was possible, and I introduced a new interface to take advantage of it all. This is the New Weather Interface (NWI). Of course, for compatibility I still had to support the AWI too (and even the old FS98 interface), but I didn't enhance it at all

Unfortunately, WidevieW is still using the FS2000/Fs2002 facilities, which explains why the lower altitude is getting overridden by the assumptions the FSUIPC AWI makes for FS2000/FS2002 compatibility.

The good news is that it is easy for me to change that action in the innards of FSUIPC's AWI, and I will do so. Please look out for an interim update (probably 3.742) in the "Other downloads" announcement above, early next week (probably Monday). Try it and let me know if it answers your problem.

Regards

Pete

[Christer]

The good news is that it is easy for me to change that action in the innards of FSUIPC's AWI, and I will do so. Please look out for an interim update

Great, I will keep my eyes wide open.

Christer

[Christer]

Thanks Pete, I have tested it and it works just great. Have enjoyed several breakout of clouds att 250ft on ILS now. Just like the real thing.

Christer