psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I am using two Saitek Throttle Quadrants and FSUIPC... I have deleted all joystick assignments in FSX.. Withing FSUIPC I have assigned throttle 1 and throttle 2... On throttle 2 when I advance the throttle a little the engine 2 thrust reverser goes into action and when I advance the throttle more it goes into normal thrust.. My goal would be to have individual thrust reversers so that when you pull back the throttles to the detent at the bottom end they individually go into thrust reverse. I have tried zeroizing all settings on the different calibrations pages, but still not able to solve this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I have deleted all joystick assignments in FSX.. Withing FSUIPC I have assigned throttle 1 and throttle 2... On throttle 2 when I advance the throttle a little the engine 2 thrust reverser goes into action and when I advance the throttle more it goes into normal thrust. Have you actually calibrated them in FSUIPC? Assigning is only part of the job. My goal would be to have individual thrust reversers so that when you pull back the throttles to the detent at the bottom end they individually go into thrust reverse. You should be able to calibrate them as you wish. I have tried zeroizing all settings on the different calibrations pages, but still not able to solve this... Not sure what you mean by any of that. Just assign them to Throttle 1 and Throttle 2, then go to the Joysticks page for 4 throttles, make sure it isn't set for "no reverse range" (there's a checkbox for that), and follow the steps outlined and numbered in the user guide to set minimum (one position), idle (two positions) and max (one position). That's it. Job done. No fuss, no bother. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 using FSUIPC 4.5 on a vista maching with FSX/accelerator-add on... I have calibrated all throttle quadrants.. On mine... Page 3 deals with Seperate throttles per engine... Each, 1-4 have been calibrated... I switched the lefthand for the right hand quadrant (having 2) because Right hand one said in FSUIPC said it was quadrant 2, and now is unit-1. Maybe I have faulty quadrants After I have assigned and calibrated them, sometimes when I bring throttle one down it cuts off the left engine... when I initially go into "axis assignment" and move throttle one, throttle2 set shows up as the choice for joy#1 X axis.... but when I rescan and move throttle one it comes up appropriately... originally when I cleared the "assignment" I chose "Send direct to FSUIPC Calibration." On page 3 of 11 when I move throttle 1, numbers for throttle 4 move... So I press "Set" for throttle 1 and move the lever and notice a couple of things.. 1. The numbers don't always remain the same for full on or full off settings. 2. If I want to set the "Idle" I can't make the reverse less than the idle... I found the "No reverse Zone" and selected that... What does the checkbox "Exclude Throttle n Set" for? Because I may have set things wrong over time, would it be better just to start the whole computer from scratch and reload everything methodically to "measure twice, cut once." ? I have probably screwed the pooch on it and like to keep it simple. Excuse my ignorance please, I am trying but may not be doing it correctly... maybe there is a stray setting in there somehere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 after doing all the above, when I move the throttle number 1, it cuts off the engine sometimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 is it related to... 1. Previous settings that may have been put in incorrectly?" 2. Not the latetest version of FSUIPC? 3. Vista? 4. Problems coming from FSX over time? 5. Operator Error? 6. All of the above???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 having re-read your post, I will look at the guide for setting minimum, idle and max ranges.... Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 using FSUIPC 4.5 on a vista maching with FSX/accelerator-add on... 4.53 I hope. 4.50 is old and unsupported. I switched the lefthand for the right hand quadrant (having 2) because Right hand one said in FSUIPC said it was quadrant 2, and now is unit-1. Sorry, I don't understand any of that. you can assign any quadrant lever to any FS control or FSUIPC control. Maybe I have faulty quadrants After I have assigned and calibrated them, sometimes when I bring throttle one down it cuts off the left engine. In that case you also have that "throttle" assigned to the mixture -- probably a default FS assignment. You should not assign both in FS and in FSUIPC. Choose one or the other. .. when I initially go into "axis assignment" and move throttle one, throttle2 set shows up as the choice for joy#1 X axis.. That absolutely doesn't matter at all. Just assign it to what you want. The NAME of the axis is NOT the same as the use it is put to -- you can use any axis for anything. You are just confusing yourself. On page 3 of 11 when I move throttle 1, numbers for throttle 4 move... You have it assigned to throttle 4 then, not throttle 1. So I press "Set" for throttle 1 and move the lever If the one lever operates throttle 1 and throttle 4 it sounds likely you have duplicate assignments, again. As I said, you should not have assignments in FS and in FSUIPC for the same axis. 1. The numbers don't always remain the same for full on or full off settings.2. If I want to set the "Idle" I can't make the reverse less than the idle... Again, you are probably confusing yourself with dual assignments! I found the "No reverse Zone" and selected that... Well, if you do that you most certainly will NOT get any reverse zone!!! What does the checkbox "Exclude Throttle n Set" for? It is explained in the documentation. If you don't understand it, best to leave it alone. It is to avoid problems with certain add-on aircraft (mainly the fly-by-wire types which use those controls when doing so). Because I may have set things wrong over time, would it be better just to start the whole computer from scratch I think you don't understand about FS assignments or FSUIPC assignments. Choose one or the other, never both. Maybe it would be best to simply delete your FSUIPC4 INI file, assign everything in FSX, not in FSUIPC4. You can still calibrate in FSUIPC4, just don't use the assignments facility which is obviously too confusing for you. There's no need in any case if things work okay through FSX. And please do NOT use olde unsupported versions of FSUIPC. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I understand your feedback, but for the record... I took pains to delete all joystick and throttle quadrant assigments from FSX and your product. It may seem as though I am confused but I assure you I am not. Maybe I don't understand your product as well as others but I am no neophyte as well. I will refer to your documentation and maybe I can catch a better idea what is going on.... Thanks, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I took pains to delete all joystick and throttle quadrant assigments from FSX and your product. The fact that an axis assigned to a throttle cut the engine when pulled back is really a pretty sure indication that it is also operating the mixture, so I really do think you missed something. Generally, also, if you ever unplug a USB device and reconnect it, FSX will automatically re-enable it and reassign axes. Don't forget also that in the FS assignments each connected device has its own assignments separately displayed, and you have to select each in turn in the main dropdown in order to see them. If you have two identically named devices it can be easy to overlook assignments. Rather than delete individual assignments, if you are assigning everything in FSUIPC, it is best to actually disable the controllers altogether. But again you have to do that for each one specifically -- and they still may come back when reconnected. I will refer to your documentation and maybe I can catch a better idea what is going on.... You can find out what is going on more scientifically by enabling logging. In the logging tab, put a check mark against the Axis logging. It will likely create a large log indeed, so don't leave it on all the time. If you run FSX in Windowed mode (just whilst you are sorting this out), you can also opt for the console log display and see exactly what is happening in real-time, on screen. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psalm10720 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I actually read the manual and I have it working for the most part.... Thank you for your patience... The mistakes I made mostly deal in not leaving leeway with the calibration. Once I set the levers not to the ends of their runs the thrust and reversers are working fine. I understand better the concepts now. The only calibration I am having trouble with at the moment is the spoiler. I am using the left-hand thrust lever on the AV8R to control the spoiler with full forward on the thrust lever being "retracted." I have tried pressing the set button in different orders but I must have missed something. I also took your advice about controlling the whole magilla through your product. I disabled the controllers and deleted the assignments within FSX... I will read up on programing the hat button on the av8r to control the view/slew... It's working great now. Thanks again, Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 The only calibration I am having trouble with at the moment is the spoiler. I am using the left-hand thrust lever on the AV8R to control the spoiler with full forward on the thrust lever being "retracted." I have tried pressing the set button in different orders but I must have missed something. To use an axis as a spoiler you need to select the "REV" option, in the calibration section, BEFORE attempting to calibrate. Naturally, with full forward being "off" it must be reversed. Don't try to reverse it after calibrating otherwise the values will be all wrong. And don't try testing it on the ground. FS has a habit of deploying it when you pass through the "ARM" range when you are on the ground. The same usually applies to toe brakes as most hardware implementations of toe brakes have them sendng the maximum value whem the feet are off. I will read up on programing the hat button on the av8r to control the view/slew... With FSX the Hat is best assigned as an Axis to "pan view". If you'd rather use it as a set of 8 buttons you assign it in the Buttons section instead. Regards Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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