Wierd thing happens

[EKBI]

Hello everybody.

I got a very wierd problem with my FSUIPC settings. When i'm finished with pushback an pull down on my saitek throttle quadrant flaps lever to set takeoff flaps, the the throttle goes in to reverse for just a split second.

I tryede to delete the FSUIPC file, where all my configuration to levers and buttons is and startede over.

But same thing every time.

I use FSX and it is only problem with the NGX

I must mention the i have assigned two of my levers to reverse thrust and set the parameters to -15000 o 15000 to aviod it going into reverse often.

regards

Martin Pedersen

[Pete Dowson]

I got a very wierd problem with my FSUIPC settings. When i'm finished with pushback an pull down on my saitek throttle quadrant flaps lever to set takeoff flaps, the the throttle goes in to reverse for just a split second.

Have you, like most other Saitek users, programmed the button on the full back throttle position, to send "Throttle decr" or the F2 key? Because that's the reverse thrust setting. Otherwise it sounds like you have the throttle lever calibrated in the 4 throtles tab in FSUIPC and have set a reverse zone.

I must mention the i have assigned two of my levers to reverse thrust and set the parameters to -15000 o 15000 to aviod it going into reverse often.

What does "set the parameters" mean there? What parameters, where, and how assigned? Maybe the Saitek device is sending spurious jitters on the reverser axes when you move the others? You can use Axis logging in FSUIPC to find out.

If you want me to check what you are doing show me your INI file.

Pete

[EKBI]

Hi Pete.

Where can i find the log file?

[EKBI]

This is how my .ini looks like:

[Profile.B737-800]

1=Boeing 737-8ASNGX Ryanair Winglets

2=Boeing 737-8K2NGX Transavia Airlines Winglets

3=Boeing 737-890NGX Alaska Airlines (Spirit of Seattle) Winglets

4=Boeing 737-8Z9NGX Austrian Airlines Winglets

5=Boeing 737-86NNGX Norwegian Air Shuttle Winglets

[Axes.B737-800]

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0

6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0

7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0

8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0

9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0

10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

[JoystickCalibration.B737-800]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-15000,0,0,15000/8

Elevator=-15000,-512,512,15000/8

Rudder=-15000,0,0,15000/8

LeftBrake=0,15000/24

RightBrake=0,15000/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,15000/40

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,15000/40

Spoilers=-15000,16380/16

Flaps=-16383,15000/16

Reverser1=-14000,15000/8

Reverser2=-14000,15000/8

[buttons.B737-800]

0=P1,0,C65580,0

1=P1,2,C65607,0

2=P1,3,C65615,0

3=P1,4,C66079,0

4=P1,5,C66080,0

5=R1,1,K145,8

6=P1,16,C65860,0

7=P1,17,C65861,0

8=P1,14,K191,9

10=R1,22,K112,8

[Profile.Boeing737-700wl]

1=Boeing 737-73SNGX Jet Time Winglets

2=Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets

[buttons.Boeing737-700wl]

2=R1,22,K112,8

3=R1,21,K112,8

4=P1,0,C65580,0

5=P1,4,C66079,0

6=P1,5,C66080,0

7=P1,16,C65860,0

8=P1,17,C65861,0

9=P1,14,K191,9

10=R1,1,K145,8

11=R2,8,K112,8

12=P1,15,K112,8

[Axes.Boeing737-700wl]

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0

6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0

7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0

8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0

9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0

10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0

[JoystickCalibration.Boeing737-700wl]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-16380,0,0,16380

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,0,0,16380

LeftBrake=0,16384/24

RightBrake=0,16384/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/40

Spoilers=-16383,16384/16

Flaps=-16383,16384/16

Reverser1=-14000,13136/8

Reverser2=-14000,13078/8

SlopeLeftBrake=2

SlopeRightBrake=2

[Profile.737-700]

1=Boeing 737-773NGX SAS Scandinavian Airlines

[Axes.737-700]

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,22,0,0,0

6=1U,256,D,9,0,0,0

7=1V,256,D,10,0,0,0

8=2X,256,D,41,0,0,0

9=2Y,256,D,42,0,0,0

10=2Z,256,D,23,0,0,0

[buttons.737-700]

0=P1,0,C65580,0

1=P1,2,C65607,0

2=P1,3,C65615,0

3=R1,1,K145,8

4=P1,14,K0,9

5=P1,16,C65860,0

6=P1,17,C65861,0

7=R1,21,K112,8

8=R1,22,K112,8

[JoystickCalibration.737-700]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-16384,-512,512,16383

Elevator=-16384,-512,512,16383

Rudder=-16384,-512,512,16383

LeftBrake=0,16000/24

RightBrake=0,16000/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Spoilers=-16383,16384/16

Flaps=-16000,16000/16

Reverser1=-14000,16383

Reverser2=-14000,16383

Edited February 12, 2012 by EKBI

[Pete Dowson]

Where can i find the log file?

In the Modules folder, next to the FSUIPC DLL, the INI, the KEY and the Install log files, of course.

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

This is how my .ini looks like:

You found that, but couldn't see the Log?

In Your INI file, I think you might need to change this:

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

to 'Yes'. Some aircraft need this for correct operation when using the No Reverse Zone axis option.

Aileron=-15000,0,0,15000/8

Elevator=-15000,-512,512,15000/8

Rudder=-15000,0,0,15000/8

LeftBrake=0,15000/24

RightBrake=0,15000/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,15000/40

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,15000/40

Spoilers=-15000,16380/16

Flaps=-16383,15000/16

Reverser1=-14000,15000/8

Reverser2=-14000,15000/8

Odd that the values here are so, er, precisely on multiples of 1000, as if you've set them manually instead of by actually using the calibration facilities. Why is that?

I see you have the Filter option set on almost all of the axis controls. Why? Generally it isn't a good idea unless the controls are extremely poor or you have a bad power supply to your PC which makes the readouts vary a lot. The filtering was added for old dirty worn controls and/or bad power levels, as in third world countries.

The calibration for the "Boeing737-700wl" profile is different:

Aileron=-16380,0,0,16380

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,0,0,16380

LeftBrake=0,16384/24

RightBrake=0,16384/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/40

Spoilers=-16383,16384/16

Flaps=-16383,16384/16

Reverser1=-14000,13136/8

Reverser2=-14000,13078/8

In fact, apart from the Filtering (which is actually off on Throttle1), and the minima of -14000 on throttles and reversers, it looks like you've never done the calibration at all as the other values are all default.

Same goes for '737-700', except you have filtering off on both throttles and both reversers for that, and you've got two manually set values for the Flaps.

Aileron=-16384,-512,512,16383

Elevator=-16384,-512,512,16383

Rudder=-16384,-512,512,16383

LeftBrake=0,16000/24

RightBrake=0,16000/24

Throttle1=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Throttle2=-14000,-512,512,16383/32

Spoilers=-16383,16384/16

Flaps=-16000,16000/16

Reverser1=-14000,16383

Reverser2=-14000,16383

Apart from these rather unusual things, there's nothing there that would engage reverse unless the reverser axes were giving spurious inputs, which would be shown by the logging. You could also try temporarily disabling (unassigning) the reversers to check this.

Regards

Pete

[EKBI]

Well i'll try to delete the configurationfile and start over.

I put in the values manually because some time the throttle and reversers wouldn't go in idle.

What is best:

Assigning the button on the throttle to F2, or use the reverser axis to get the most out of it?

[Pete Dowson]

Well i'll try to delete the configurationfile and start over.

I don't think that'll necessarily help -- you said you did that before.

I put in the values manually because some time the throttle and reversers wouldn't go in idle.

You just need to calibrate with a larger zone for idle. The instructions for calibration do advise you to move the lever away from the extremes enough to achieve both full throttle and idle.

What is best: Assigning the button on the throttle to F2, or use the reverser axis to get the most out of it?

That usually dpeends on the particular aircraft you are using. Some just don't work corrctly with a reversing axis (FS itself doesn't provide one). Obviously you also need spare levers for reversers if you aren't using a zone on the throttle axes.

But none of this helps with why you are getting spurious reverser operation. We need that axis logging to see what is doing that -- and you could test, too, with the reversers temporarily de-assigned, as I already suggested. If that stops it we can probably conclude that they are giving spurious inputs.

Regards

Pete

[EKBI]

I appreciate your help Pete, so today i tryed yet again to delete my configurations file and started over. But when I assign reversers 1 and 2 for my saitek throttle quadrant are still giving spurious inputs.

But it helps when I unassigning the reversers.

I think this maybe the log you are reffering to?

********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.80 by Pete Dowson *********

User Name="Martin Pedersen"

User Addr="mlr@bll.dk"

User WideFS Addr="ekbi@live.dk"

FSUIPC4 Key is provided

WideFS7 Key is provided

Running inside FSX on Windows 7

Module base=61000000

62 System time = 13/02/2012 11:55:14

94 FLT UNC path = "\\MARTIN-PC\Flight Simulator X Files\"

125 Trying to connect to SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 ...

125 FS UNC path = "\\MARTIN-PC\FSX\"

359 LogOptions=00000000 00000001

359 Wind smoothing fix is fully installed

359 G3D.DLL fix attempt installed ok

359 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay

359 Trying to use SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07

1170 Running in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X", Version: 10.0.61472.0 (SimConnect: 10.0.61259.0)

1170 Initialising SimConnect data requests now

1170 FSUIPC Menu entry added

1217 \\MARTIN-PC\FSX\FLIGHTS\OTHER\FLTSIM.FLT

1217 \\MARTIN-PC\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\Aircreation_582SL\Aircreation_582SL.AIR

11154 \\MARTIN-PC\PMDG 737-700NGX WL\B737-700WL.AIR

53540 Starting everything now ...

53555 AES Link established

53930 System time = 13/02/2012 11:56:08, Simulator time = 11:55:43 (10:55Z)

53930 Aircraft="Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets"

57159 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled

65474 Aircraft="Boeing 737-700NGX Cimber Sterling Winglets"

226825 Weather Mode now = Global

279179 Weather Mode now = Theme

279335 Weather Mode now = Global

391407 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

412794 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

425867 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

436319 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

664876 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

1443883 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 1374 secs = 31.1 fps

4378886 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

4623636 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 3127 secs = 33.2 fps

4982126 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

4982547 C:\Users\Martin\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\EFB_current_garmin.PLN

5790274 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 1158 secs = 23.3 fps

5793581 Weather Mode now = Theme

5793612 \\MARTIN-PC\FSXapp\Previous flight.FLT

5807059 System time = 13/02/2012 13:32:01, Simulator time = 11:55:42 (10:55Z)

5807059 *** FSUIPC log file being closed

Average frame rate for running time of 5673 secs = 30.6 fps

G3D fix: Passes 132461, Null pointers 0, Bad pointers 0, Separate instances 0

Memory managed: 6188 Allocs, 6188 Freed

********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

[Pete Dowson]

I appreciate your help Pete, so today i tryed yet again to delete my configurations file and started over.

I've no idea wehy you keep doing that. I advised you not to last time!

But when I assign reversers 1 and 2 for my saitek throttle quadrant are still giving spurious inputs.

But it helps when I unassigning the reversers.

Only "helps"? Or fixes it? If it fixes it then your reverer axes are jittering and sending values when they shouldn't. you need to park them where they cannot interfere, at one end of the travel, in an area calibrated RELIABLY as 'dead' zone.

I think this maybe the log you are reffering to?

Well, it is certainly the FSUIPC log file, but you've not enabled Axis logging as I suggested so that we could see what was happening. Therefore it is of no interest at all.

Regards

Pete