chinmayerram Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I have a registered version of FSUIPC 4.853 with FSX running on Windows 7 64 bit ultimate edition. I have calibrated all the axes using FSUIPC using the "Send Direct to FSUIPC Calibration". Everything was working fine until suddenly all the axes stopped working on the aircraft selected. I tried changing all the settings like disabling/enabling FSX controls, changing the Send Direct to FSUIPC Calibration to Send to FS as normal axis, etc. The buttons and switches work fine, but the axis does not. If I assign something to default FSX control axis, it works but when I try to use FSUIPC only, the control axes do not work. Please help.. Chinmay Erram ps I am attaching by FSUIPC.ini file.
Pete Dowson Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I have a registered version of FSUIPC 4.853 with FSX running on Windows 7 64 bit ultimate edition. I have calibrated all the axes using FSUIPC using the "Send Direct to FSUIPC Calibration". Everything was working fine until suddenly all the axes stopped working on the aircraft selected. "Suddenly stopped"? Like as if the wires pulled out mid-flight? I tried changing all the settings like disabling/enabling FSX controls, changing the Send Direct to FSUIPC Calibration to Send to FS as normal axis, etc. The buttons and switches work fine, but the axis does not. If I assign something to default FSX control axis, it works but when I try to use FSUIPC only, the control axes do not work. Assigning in FSUIPC to the same FS controls as in FSX does exactly the same thing as assigning in FSX. The use of this is smply so that you can have different assignments for different aircraft. ps I am attaching by FSUIPC.ini file. You did not. In any case it would be better to simply paste the contents into a reply here. You can also use FSUIPC logging facilities to check what is happening. You will see there is an option to log axis events. Regards Pete
chinmayerram Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Posted December 17, 2012 You can also use FSUIPC logging facilities to check what is happening. You will see there is an option to log axis events. I did the logging and what I noticed is in some random cases (I am still trying to figure out a pattern) the axes do get recognized when I am calibrating the axes in FSUIPC but they do not work on the aircraft meaning moving the joystick does not move the controls on the aircraft. Again in some random cases the controls work fine. I am attaching two scenarios that I found on the logs. Also pasting the FSUIPC.ini File below the logs. [in this scenario the axes did not work] ********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.853 by Pete Dowson ********* Running inside FSX on Windows 7 Module base=5E8B0000 User Name="Chinmay Erram" User Addr="chinmayerram@gmail.com" FSUIPC4 Key is provided WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired 32 System time = 14/12/2012 12:31:48 32 FLT path = "C:\Users\Sai\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\" 47 Trying to connect to SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 ... 63 FS path = "F:\FSX\" 437 LogOptions=00000000 00000001 437 Wind smoothing fix is fully installed 437 G3D.DLL fix attempt installed ok 437 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay 437 Trying to use SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 2403 Running in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X", Version: 10.0.61472.0 (SimConnect: 10.0.61259.0) 2403 Initialising SimConnect data requests now 2403 FSUIPC Menu entry added 2434 F:\FSX\FLIGHTS\OTHER\FLTSIM.FLT 2434 F:\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\C172\Cessna172SP.AIR 54694 F:\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\SMS_737-800\Boeing737-800.AIR 63696 Weather Mode now = Real World 152601 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 28 secs = 9.4 fps [Log closed by user request, and continued in new file] 224923 System time = 14/12/2012 12:35:33 224923 *** FSUIPC log file being closed Average frame rate for running time of 28 secs = 9.4 fps G3D fix: Passes 23106, Null pointers 0, Bad pointers 0, Separate instances 0 Memory managed: 4 Allocs, 3 Freed ********* FSUIPC Log file closed *********** [in this scenario the axes worked] ********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.853 by Pete Dowson ********* Running inside FSX on Windows 7 Module base=5FE40000 User Name="Chinmay Erram" User Addr="chinmayerram@gmail.com" FSUIPC4 Key is provided WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired 47 System time = 17/12/2012 16:22:05 47 FLT path = "C:\Users\Sai\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\" 63 Trying to connect to SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 ... 125 FS path = "F:\FSX\" 500 LogOptions=10000000 00000001 500 Wind smoothing fix is fully installed 500 G3D.DLL fix attempt installed ok 500 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay 500 Trying to use SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 2481 Running in "Microsoft Flight Simulator X", Version: 10.0.61472.0 (SimConnect: 10.0.61259.0) 2481 Initialising SimConnect data requests now 2481 FSUIPC Menu entry added 2512 F:\FSX\FLIGHTS\OTHER\FLTSIM.FLT 2512 F:\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\C172\Cessna172SP.AIR 58407 System time = 17/12/2012 16:23:04, Simulator time = 16:22:09 (00:22Z) 58407 Aircraft="Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1" 59047 Starting everything now ... 60217 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled 70154 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -677 (0xfffffd5b) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70170 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -950 (0xfffffc4a) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70185 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1223 (0xfffffb39) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70217 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1496 (0xfffffa28) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70232 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1906 (0xfffff88e) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70263 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -2179 (0xfffff77d) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70326 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -2452 (0xfffff66c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70435 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -2042 (0xfffff806) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70466 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -950 (0xfffffc4a) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70497 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -131 (0xffffff7d) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 70513 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 114 (0x00000072) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 71293 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65762 (0x000100e2), Param= -10017 (0xffffd8df) AXIS_ELEVATOR_SET 78001 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 20 secs = 52.5 fps 129310 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -5 (0xfffffffb) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 140682 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -268 (0xfffffef4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142601 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -677 (0xfffffd5b) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142648 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1769 (0xfffff917) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142710 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -3681 (0xfffff19f) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142757 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -5865 (0xffffe917) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142804 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -8050 (0xffffe08e) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142851 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -9688 (0xffffda28) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 142913 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -10644 (0xffffd66c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143007 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -10371 (0xffffd77d) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143053 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -8186 (0xffffe006) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143116 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -4500 (0xffffee6c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143163 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -268 (0xfffffef4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143225 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 2328 (0x00000918) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143272 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 1676 (0x0000068c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143334 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 244 (0x000000f4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 143412 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -131 (0xffffff7d) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 150261 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 21 secs = 19.4 fps 159293 Weather Mode now = Real World 176687 F:\FSX\SimObjects\Airplanes\SMS_A320_W\a320.AIR 177920 Aircraft="=FSPAP A320 AIRFRANCE75" 182912 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -541 (0xfffffde3) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 182990 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1633 (0xfffff99f) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 183068 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -3135 (0xfffff3c1) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 183146 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -5729 (0xffffe99f) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 183224 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -8596 (0xffffde6c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 183302 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -10780 (0xffffd5e4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 183380 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -12009 (0xffffd117) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184113 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -12282 (0xffffd006) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184191 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -12692 (0xffffce6c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184284 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -13238 (0xffffcc4a) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184362 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -13784 (0xffffca28) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184440 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -14876 (0xffffc5e4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184518 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -15422 (0xffffc3c2) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184596 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -15695 (0xffffc2b1) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184752 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -15968 (0xffffc1a0) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184846 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -16241 (0xffffc08f) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 184924 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -16384 (0xffffc000) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185252 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -15832 (0xffffc228) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185330 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -13784 (0xffffca28) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185408 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -404 (0xfffffe6c) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185486 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 9358 (0x0000248e) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185579 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -2315 (0xfffff6f5) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185657 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -6684 (0xffffe5e4) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185735 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 3369 (0x00000d29) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185829 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 3890 (0x00000f32) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 185907 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -2725 (0xfffff55b) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 186016 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -1223 (0xfffffb39) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 186094 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 1025 (0x00000401) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 186188 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 505 (0x000001f9) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 198153 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= 114 (0x00000072) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 205235 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65763 (0x000100e3), Param= -5 (0xfffffffb) AXIS_AILERONS_SET 217856 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 39 secs = 14.3 fps 223222 System time = 17/12/2012 16:25:49, Simulator time = 01:23:35 (00:23Z) 223222 *** FSUIPC log file being closed Average frame rate for running time of 85 secs = 24.7 fps G3D fix: Passes 31863, Null pointers 0, Bad pointers 0, Separate instances 0 Memory managed: 38 Allocs, 38 Freed ********* FSUIPC Log file closed *********** FSUIPC.ini File [General] UpdatedByVersion=4853 History=RYDPN37MDF8SOVIPC93OS InitDelayDevicesToo=No MouseWheelMove=No MouseWheelTrim=No MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1 JoystickTimeout=20 PollGFTQ6=Yes BlankDisplays=No FixControlAccel=No FixMachSpeedBug=No DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes AutoScanDevices=Yes VisibilityOptions=No OneCloudLayer=No CloudTurbulence=No CloudIcing=No GenerateCirrus=No SuppressCloudTurbulence=No MaxIce=-4 MinIce=-4 UpperWindGusts=No SuppressWindTurbulence=No SuppressWindVariance=No WindTurbulence=No TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0 TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40 SuppressAllGusts=No MaxSurfaceWind=0 WindLimitLevel=200 WindDiscardLevel=400 WindAjustAltitude=No WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000 SmoothBySimTime=No WindSmoothing=No WindSmoothness=2 WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes PressureSmoothness=0 TemperatureSmoothness=0 DisconnTrimForAP=No ZeroElevForAPAlt=No ThrottleSyncAll=No WhiteMessages=No ShowPMcontrols=No SpoilerIncrement=512 MagicBattery=Yes RudderSpikeRemoval=No ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No AileronSpikeRemoval=No ReversedElevatorTrim=No ClockSync=No ClockSyncMins=5 ClearWeatherDynamics=No OwnWeatherChanges=No TimeForSelect=4 LoadFlightMenu=No LoadPlanMenu=No PauseAfterCrash=No BrakeReleaseThreshold=75 SaveDataWithFlights=Yes ZapSound=firework ShortAircraftNameOk=No UseProfiles=Yes EnableMouseLook=No AxesWrongRange=Yes TCASid=Flight TCASrange=40 AxisCalibration=No DirectAxesToCalibs=No ShowMultilineWindow=No SuppressSingleline=No SuppressMultilineFS=No AxisIntercepts=No DontResetAxes=Yes InitDelay=0 GetNearestAirports=Yes OOMcheck=Yes WeatherReadFactor=2 WeatherRewriteSeconds=1 CustomWeatherModify=No SimConnectStallTime=1 LuaRerunDelay=66 Console=Yes LogAxes=Yes ConsoleWindow=-8,-8,1085,862 FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0 SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0 [JoyNames] AutoAssignLetters=No 0=CH PRO PEDALS USB 0.GUID={4421B910-21EE-11E2-8001-444553540000} 1=CH THROTTLE QUADRANT 1.GUID={4421B910-21EE-11E2-8002-444553540000} 2=CH FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB 2.GUID={4421B910-21EE-11E2-8003-444553540000} [buttons] Buttonrepeat=20,10 1=P2,0,C65752,0 2=P2,4,C66241,0 3=P2,5,C66293,0 4=P2,6,C65570,0 5=P1,0,C65751,0 6=P1,1,C65560,0 7=P1,2,C65860,0 9=P1,4,C66240,0 10=P1,5,C66239,0 11=P1,11,C65792,0 12=P1,10,C65791,0 13=P1,6,C66379,0 14=P1,7,C65750,0 15=P1,8,C66531,0 16=P1,9,C66224,0 17=P2,2,C66299,0 18=P2,3,C66298,0 19=R2,10,C65607,0 20=R2,11,C65615,0 21=P2,7,K66,8 22=P1,3,K82,10 23=P2,1,K65,8 25=R2,32,C66416,0 26=R2,33,C66416,45 27=R2,34,C66416,90 28=R2,35,C66416,135 29=R2,36,C66416,180 30=R2,38,C66416,270 31=R2,37,C66416,225 32=R2,39,C66416,315 33=P2,8,K83,8 34=P2,9,K83,9 [AutoSave] Next=6 Interval=60 Files=10 SaveOnGround=Yes AutoSaveEnabled=Yes AlsoSave=Autosave AlsoInterval=60 1=Sun 222908 2=Mon 154334 3=Mon 161452 4=Mon 162308 5=Mon 162507 6=Sun 222410 7=Sun 222509 8=Sun 222609 9=Sun 222709 10=Sun 222808 [GPSout] GPSoutEnabled=No Port=COM1 Speed=4800 Interval=2000 PosTo6Decimal=No SimModeIndicator=No Sentences= [GPSout2] GPSoutEnabled=No Port=<none set> Speed=4800 Interval=2000 PosTo6Decimal=No SimModeIndicator=No Sentences= [WideServer] WideFSenabled=Yes [sounds] Path=F:\FSX\Sound\ Device1=Primary Sound Driver Device2=Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Device3=Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio) [Axes] 0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0 1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0 2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0 3=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0 4=1Y,256,D,25,0,0,0 5=1Z,256,D,9,11,0,0 6=1R,256,D,23,0,0,0 7=1U,256,D,10,12,0,0 8=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0 9=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 10=2Z,256 11=2Z,D,-16384,2838,65752,0 12=2P,0,F,66416,0,0,0 [JoystickCalibration] AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes ExcludeThrottleSet=No ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes SepRevsJetsOnly=No ApplyHeloTrim=No UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No FlapsSetControl=0 FlapDetents=No ReverserControl=66292 Reverser1Control=66422 Reverser2Control=66425 Reverser3Control=66428 Reverser4Control=66431 MaxThrottleForReverser=256 AileronTrimControl=66731 RudderTrimControl=66732 CowlFlaps1Control=66162 CowlFlaps2Control=66163 CowlFlaps3Control=66164 CowlFlaps4Control=66165 SteeringTillerControl=0 MaxSteerSpeed=60 Throttle1=-16123,-512,512,14976/32 Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,14464/32 Throttle3=-16123,-512,512,14976/32 Throttle4=-16384,-512,512,14464/32 Flaps=-15232,16123/16 Spoilers=-15104,16123/16 Reverser=-16253,14848/2 LeftBrake=-16384,16383/16 RightBrake=-16383,16384/16 Aileron=-16253,131,393,16252 Elevator=-7970,8834,8834,16383 Rudder=-16125,0,0,16383 Thanks a lot, Chinmay Erram
Pete Dowson Posted December 17, 2012 Report Posted December 17, 2012 I did the logging and what I noticed is in some random cases (I am still trying to figure out a pattern) the axes do get recognized when I am calibrating the axes in FSUIPC but they do not work on the aircraft meaning moving the joystick does not move the controls on the aircraft. Again in some random cases the controls work fine. Is this with ALL aircraft, including defaults, or just your "selected aircraft" as you said originally -- i.e an add-on one you normally use? I am attaching two scenarios that I found on the logs. The first log is no good because you pressed the button on the logging page to start a new log. Please do not do that. It only confuses matters. It also dates back to before I asked you to try logging, and the axis logging was not exabled, so it doesn't help in any case. [in this scenario the axes worked]********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.853 by Pete Dowson ********* Running inside FSX on Windows 7 Module base=5FE40000 User Name="Chinmay Erram" User Addr="chinmayerram@gmail.com" FSUIPC4 Key is provided WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired 47 System time = 17/12/2012 16:22:05 47 FLT path = "C:\Users\Sai\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files\" 63 Trying to connect to SimConnect Acc/SP2 Oct07 ... 125 FS path = "F:\FSX\" 500 LogOptions=10000000 00000001 In the second log you showed, you have enabled logging for the axes and they show clearly in the log. And you said they worked. So everything was normal, and the log shows nothing out of the ordinary, of course. The INI file also shows nothing wrong. For more direct feedback, so you can see what is going on, you can run FSX in Windowed mode (ALT+ENTER) and make its window a little smaller, and enable the Console log in FSUIPC's logging options. Then you will see what happens exactly when you move the axes. I see you have 11 separate axes assigned on three different devices: [Axes] 0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0 1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0 2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0 3=1X,256,D,22,0,0,0 4=1Y,256,D,25,0,0,0 5=1Z,256,D,9,11,0,0 6=1R,256,D,23,0,0,0 7=1U,256,D,10,12,0,0 8=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0 9=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 10=2Z,256 11=2Z,D,-16384,2838,65752,0 12=2P,0,F,66416,0,0,0 So far I really cannot see how ALL 11 of the axes suddenly stop working. That would be amazing and would surely indicate something really serious wrong somewhere in the system. I'm not sure how to narrow it down to a cause. It's a complete new problem, never reported before. Do you have any FSX add-ons running? If you reload or change aircraft does it persist? I am away from Wednesday night for over three weeks, so I'm not sure we can reach any sort of solution in the short term, but please do continue to try to narrow it down. Incidentally, so you are using the same version of FSUIPC as me, please get the very latest interim update, 4.859m, from the Download Links subforum. Regards Pete
gerryatc Posted December 21, 2012 Report Posted December 21, 2012 Hi Pete I'm having a similar problem FSUIPC 4 does not seem to record/remember the assignments: keys & butttons ok but not axes ... never had this before
Pete Dowson Posted January 14, 2013 Report Posted January 14, 2013 Apologies for the delay in replying. As announced, I have been away on holidays. I'm having a similar problem FSUIPC 4 does not seem to record/remember the assignments: keys & butttons ok but not axes ... never had this before Sounds like a corrupted INI file or some problem with the aircraft not providing a name through SimConnect, assuming you are using Profiles or aircraft-specific assignments. FSUIPc itself won't lose things set in a properly formatted INI file. Maybe you should paste your INI file here and state which aircraft it is you have problems with. Pete
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