Saitek Rudder

[avitec]

Hi Guys I am new to this , have a problem Saitek rudder wont work in Carenado C182 Cessna everything else seems ok FSUIP see them and can calibrate them but do not work on aircraft . I remover everything in FSX and shut off controls still nothing HELP. I posted this on a older topic but I think there was a little dust on it.

 

Regards Avitec

[Pete Dowson]

Hi Guys I am new to this , have a problem Saitek rudder wont work in Carenado C182 Cessna everything else seems ok FSUIP see them and can calibrate them but do not work on aircraft . I remover everything in FSX and shut off controls still nothing HELP. I posted this on a older topic but I think there was a little dust on it.

 

Does the rudder work okay on other aircraft? Are you assigning in FS or in FSUIPC? If in FSUIPC, which method -- direct to FSUIPC calibration, or to FS control -- and if that, which FS control? There are several choices, you see. Maybe that aircraft needs a specific one.

 

Pete

[avitec]

Thanks for the reply Peter, all FSX controls are removed all set up is in FSUIPC directly . I just began to set up FSUIPC it is the first aircraft I was doing all other components seem to be working fine, does it have to do with a payware aircraft?

Sorry Peter I thing I posted this in the wrong place.

 

 

 

Avitec

[Pete Dowson]

Thanks for the reply Peter, all FSX controls are removed all set up is in FSUIPC directly . I just began to set up FSUIPC it is the first aircraft I was doing all other components seem to be working fine, does it have to do with a payware aircraft?

 

I don't know, how can I tell from here? Does the rudder work okay in other aircraft? That's the first thing to check -- I did ask this before, didn't you notice? It was my first question.

 

There are several methods for assigning things in FSUIPC and not all suit all add-on aircraft. That's why I asked my second question, which you also appear to have missed. I can't help without information.

 

I am off on holiday soon, then not back till March 2nd or 3rd, so you may have to wait a while or hope someone else can help.

 

Pete

 

 

Pete

[avitec]

No Peter, this is the only aircraft I have done so far, I guess I should try another to see. I only use FSUIP and do it direct to its calibration not FS. I will try another and get back. I tried re installing the driver still no luck..

[Pete Dowson]

No Peter, this is the only aircraft I have done so far, I guess I should try another to see.

 

ALWAYS always test your assignments and calibrations on default aircraft first. FSUIPC deals with FS, not with Add-Ons. If it works with default aircraft then you know it's okay, then with add-ons you may have to make special arrangements because a lot of them do their own thing entirely.

 

I don't know what you mean by "only aircraft I have done". Surely you assign and calibrate all the basic controls generically? You only need to do specific things for different aircraft if they need specific things doing.

 

 I only use FSUIP and do it direct to its calibration not FS.

 

Some add-on aircraft won't like that as they look specifically for the FS controls.

 

Also check whether the rudder moves when you move the ailerons. If so you have the AutoRudder option enabled in FS.

 

I tried re installing the driver still no luck..

 

 

 

What driver? Saitek?

 

You said the rudder input worked because you'd calibrated it in FSUIPC, so what did you think was wrong with the driver?

 

Pete

[avitec]

Well I tried it on the default 172 still no rudder?The auto rudder is off. As far as the driver goes I am willing to try anything. When I went to check in the ini file the 172 was not there, I posted another aircraft  and it showed up as something else seems the aircraft in the FS selection is off.

[avitec]

Have a look at this when you have time Peter

Avitec

 

 

[General]

UpdatedByVersion=4928

History=PAH2Z6JWRRKUSVE3ZD5Q5

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

AxisCalibration=No

DirectAxesToCalibs=No

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

AxisIntercepts=No

DontResetAxes=No

WeatherReadFactor=2

WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

CustomWeatherModify=No

SimConnectStallTime=1

Console=No

InitDelayDevicesToo=No

NewInterceptTextMenu=No

UseSystemTime=Yes

UseMidMouseBtn=Yes

MouseWheelMove=No

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

JoystickTimeout=20

PollGFTQ6=Yes

BlankDisplays=No

FixControlAccel=No

FixMachSpeedBug=No

DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

AutoScanDevices=Yes

VisibilityOptions=No

OneCloudLayer=No

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

GenerateCirrus=No

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

MaxIce=3

MinIce=-1

UpperWindGusts=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SuppressWindVariance=No

WindTurbulence=No

TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

SuppressAllGusts=No

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

SmoothBySimTime=No

WindSmoothing=No

WindSmoothness=2

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

PressureSmoothness=0

TemperatureSmoothness=0

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

ThrottleSyncAll=Yes

WhiteMessages=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

MagicBattery=No

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

ClockSync=Yes

ClockSyncMins=5

ClearWeatherDynamics=No

OwnWeatherChanges=No

TimeForSelect=4

LoadFlightMenu=No

LoadPlanMenu=No

PauseAfterCrash=No

BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

SaveDataWithFlights=Yes

ZapSound=firework

ShortAircraftNameOk=Substring

UseProfiles=Yes

EnableMouseLook=No

AxesWrongRange=No

InitDelay=0

GetNearestAirports=Yes

OOMcheck=Yes

LuaRerunDelay=66

 

[JoyNames]

AutoAssignLetters=No

0=Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals

0.GUID={FB91BA40-13CA-11E3-8001-444553540000}

1=Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant

1.GUID={BD4A20C0-6E14-11E3-8001-444553540000}

2=Saitek Pro Flight Yoke

2.GUID={6BBAD610-0CD9-11E3-8001-444553540000}

3=Saitek Pro Flight Cessna Trim Wheel

3.GUID={4A7BCED0-6D61-11E3-8001-444553540000}

 

[WideServer]

WideFSenabled=Yes

 

[buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,10

1=P2,32,C65674,0

2=P2,36,C65678,0

3=P2,38,C65679,0

4=P2,34,C65675,0

 

[AutoSave]

Next=1

Interval=60

Files=10

SaveOnGround=No

AutoSaveEnabled=No

 

[GPSout]

GPSoutEnabled=No

Port=COM0

Speed=4800

Interval=2000

PosTo6Decimal=No

SimModeIndicator=No

Sentences=

 

[GPSout2]

GPSoutEnabled=No

Port=<none set>

Speed=4800

Interval=2000

PosTo6Decimal=No

SimModeIndicator=No

Sentences=

 

[sounds]

Path=C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\

Device1=Primary Sound Driver

Device2=Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)

 

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=No

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=Yes

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=0,0,0,0

Elevator=0,0,0,0

Rudder=0,0,0,0

Throttle=16254,16254

PropPitch=0,16383

LeftBrake=16383,16383

Mixture=-16380,16380

RightBrake=16383,16383

Throttle1=16383,16383,16383,16383

Throttle2=-16384,-16384,-16384,-16384

Mixture1=0,8192,8192,16383

Mixture2=0,8192,8192,16380

PropPitch1=0,0,0,16254/8

PanHeading=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanPitch=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanTilt=-16380,-512,512,16380

SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

ElevatorTrim=-16380,0,512,16380

Spoilers=-16380,16380

Flaps=0,16380

Reverser1=-16380,16380

Reverser2=-16380,16380

SlopeLeftBrake=4

SlopeRightBrake=4

PropPitch2=0,0,0,0/8

 

 

 

[JoystickCalibratio]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=Yes

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=Yes

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=0,0,0,0/8

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=0,0,0,0/8

Throttle=-16380,16380

PropPitch=-16380,16380

Mixture=-16380,16380

LeftBrake=-16380,16380

RightBrake=-16380,16380

Throttle1=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle2=-16380,-512,512,16380

Mixture1=14152,14152,14152,14152

Mixture2=13897,13897,13897,13897

PropPitch1=0,0,512,16380

ElevatorTrim=-16380,-512,512,16380

Spoilers=-16380,16380

Flaps=0,0

PanHeading=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanPitch=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanTilt=-16380,-512,512,16380

SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

Reverser1=-16380,16380

Reverser2=-16380,16380

FlapStarts=-16384,1

FlapEnds=-16384,1

 

 

[Axes]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=2X,256,D,1,2,0,0

 

[Profile.Cessna 182q]

1=C Skylane 182Q7

2=C185F SKYWAGON TUNDRA

 

[Axes.Cessna 182q]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0R,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,18,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,13,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,14,0,0,0

6=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

7=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

8=2Z,256,D,9,0,0,0

9=2U,256,D,10,0,0,0

10=2V,256,D,17,0,0,0

11=3X,256,D,21,0,0,0

 

[JoystickCalibration.Cessna 182q]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=No

ExcludeMixtureSet=No

ExcludePropPitchSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=Yes

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-16384,0,0,16383

Elevator=-16384,0,0,16383

Throttle=0,0

PropPitch=0,0

Mixture=0,0

LeftBrake=-16384,16383

SlopeLeftBrake=4

RightBrake=-16384,16383

SlopeRightBrake=4

Throttle1=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,16380

Mixture1=16383,16383,16383,16383

Mixture2=16254,16254,16254,16380

PropPitch1=0,0,512,16380

PropPitch2=0,0,512,16380

ElevatorTrim=-16380,0,512,16380

Spoilers=-16380,16380

Flaps=0,16380

PanHeading=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanPitch=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanTilt=-16380,-512,512,16380

SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

Reverser1=-16380,16380

Reverser2=-16380,16380

Rudder=-16384,0,0,16383/8

 

[buttons.Cessna 182q]

9=P2,4,C65759,0

10=P2,5,C65758,0

11=P2,2,C66513,0

12=P2,3,C66171,0

21=P2,32,C65674,0

22=U2,32,C0,0

23=R2,34,C65676,0

24=R2,38,C65680,0

25=R2,36,C65678,0

 

[Profile.maule orion]

1=Maule M7 260C paint1

 

[buttons.maule orion]

0=P2,32,C65674,0

1=P2,36,C65678,0

2=P2,38,C65680,0

3=P2,34,C65676,0

4=P2,4,C65759,0

5=P2,5,C65758,0

6=P2,2,C66513,0

7=P2,3,C65752,0

 

[Axes.maule orion]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0R,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,6,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,6,0,0,0

5=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

6=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

7=2Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

8=2V,256,D,5,0,0,0

9=3X,256,D,21,0,0,0

 

[JoystickCalibration.maule orion]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=No

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=Yes

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=0,0,0,0

Elevator=0,0,0,0

Rudder=0,0,0,0

Throttle=-16384,16380

PropPitch=16128,16128

Mixture=-16380,16383

LeftBrake=-16380,16383

RightBrake=-16380,16380

Throttle1=16383,16383,16383,16383

Throttle2=-16384,-16384,-16384,-16384

Mixture1=0,8192,8192,16383

Mixture2=0,8192,8192,16380

PropPitch1=0,0,0,16254/8

PropPitch2=0,0,0,0/8

ElevatorTrim=-16380,0,512,16380

Spoilers=-16380,16380

Flaps=0,16380

PanHeading=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanPitch=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanTilt=-16380,-512,512,16380

SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

Reverser1=-16380,16380

Reverser2=-16380,16380

 

[Profile.C 206 Station air]

1=T206 Skywagon

 

[buttons.C 206 Station air]

0=P2,32,C65674,0

1=P2,36,C65678,0

2=P2,38,C65680,0

3=P2,34,C65676,0

4=P2,4,C65759,0

5=P2,5,C65758,0

6=P2,2,C66513,0

7=P2,3,C66171,0

 

[Axes.C 206 Station air]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0R,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,6,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,6,0,0,0

5=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

6=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

7=2Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

8=2V,256,D,5,0,0,0

9=3X,256,D,21,0,0,0

 

[Profile.C172 SP]

1=Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1 (4)

2=Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1 (13)

3=Cessna Skyhawk 172SP Paint1 (12)

 

[Axes.C172 SP]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0R,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1Y,256,D,6,0,0,0

4=1Z,256,D,6,0,0,0

5=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

6=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

7=2Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

8=2V,256,D,0,5,0,0

9=3X,256,D,21,0,0,0

 

[JoystickCalibration.C172 SP]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=No

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=No

SepRevsJetsOnly=Yes

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=0,0,0,0

Elevator=0,0,0,0

Rudder=0,0,0,0

Throttle=16254,16254

PropPitch=16128,16128

Mixture=16383,16383

LeftBrake=-16380,16383

RightBrake=-16380,16383

Throttle1=16383,16383,16383,16383

Throttle2=-16384,-16384,-16384,-16384

Mixture1=0,8192,8192,16383

Mixture2=0,8192,8192,16380

PropPitch1=0,0,0,16254/8

PropPitch2=0,0,0,0/8

ElevatorTrim=-16380,0,512,16380

Spoilers=-16380,16380

Flaps=0,16380

PanHeading=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanPitch=-16380,-512,512,16380

PanTilt=-16380,-512,512,16380

SteeringTiller=-16380,-512,512,16380

Reverser1=-16380,16380

Reverser2=-16380,16380

 

[buttons.C172 SP]

0=P2,4,C65759,0

1=P2,5,C65758,0

2=P2,2,C66513,0

3=P2,3,C66171,0

[Pete Dowson]

Well I tried it on the default 172 still no rudder?The auto rudder is off. As far as the driver goes I am willing to try anything. When I went to check in the ini file the 172 was not there, I posted another aircraft  and it showed up as something else seems the aircraft in the FS selection is off.

 

I find this message extremely confusing.

 

First, the rudder. If the rudder pedals are not working with default aircraft then they are plain broken. It wouldn't matter how you assigned them. I can't believe you managed to calibrate them if they are broken, so perhaps you need to tell me more about that. What EXACTLY do you see, and where, and what EXACTLY are you doing?

 

Second, what "INI" file are you checking for a 172? What on Earth has any INI file to do with anything? And what do you mean by "seems the aircraft in the FS selection is off"?

 

If you are messing with FSUIPC's Profiles, DON'T for now. To start with you should simply assign and calibrate all of your normal controls for default aircraft. Do NOT create any profiles until you've done that. The Profiles are for DIFFERENCES from the "norm". Only create a specific profile when you need something different.

 

But, meanwhile, check that your rudders work properly if assigned in FS. Note that you do NOT need to assign in FSUIPC in order to Calibrate in FSUIPC. FSUIPC's calibration works on FS controls no matter where they come from.

 

I am getting a strong feeling that you are trying to use FSUIPC for things you do not yet actually understand, and would be better off doing things the simple way until you need to do something more complicated.

 

I'm afraid I'm off on holiday at 4 am and will soon be signing off here until I get back, on March 2nd or 3rd.

 

[EDIT] 

I've just noticed you posted your INI so I'll respond to that in a new message ....

 

Regards

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

kay, your FSUIPC4.INI:

 

1. You are still using 4.928. The currently supported version is now 4.929. However, there is no difference in this area.

 

2. You have a section called [JoystickCalibration] and another called [JoystickCalibratio]. The latter will be completely ignored, so I suggest you delete it. I've no idea how you managed to get such a file corruption.

 

3. Your (proper) [JoystickCalibration]  section contains these three lines, which toally destroy any use of the main three controls:

 

Aileron=0,0,0,0

Elevator=0,0,0,0

Rudder=0,0,0,0

 

That nonsense can only arise from calibration everything at zero. The numbers should give the min, centre min, centre max and max respectively.

 

There are another 19 axis calibrations listed (where do you get them from?), most of which are also completely nonsensical. Take just these two as examples:

 

Throttle1=16383,16383,16383,16383

Throttle2=-16384,-16384,-16384,-16384

 

This shows Throttle1 calibrated with all values stuck at full reverse, whilst Throttle 2 has all values at full forward thrust!

 

How on Earth have you achieved this? It is a complete nonsense!

 

Most of the others are just as bad.

 

Similar things are going on in your [JoystickCalibration.Cessna 182q] section. Again you have:

 

Throttle=0,0

PropPitch=0,0

Mixture=0,0

 

and the other values appear either wild or not even calibrated.

 

Your [JoystickCalibration.maule orion] section has these as well as other nonsense:

 

Aileron=0,0,0,0

Elevator=0,0,0,0

Rudder=0,0,0,0

 

as does your [JoystickCalibration.C172 SP] section.

 

To be brutally honest, I've not seen such an awful mess, ever, in the 16 year history of FSUIPC!

 

Please start again. Delete the INI file completely. And before doing ANY calibration, please read the calibration section of the manual. Then, when calibrating, follow the detailed numbered steps one by one. Don't "do your own thing". Follow the steps.

 

Good luck. i'll see how you got on when I return in a couple of weeks or so!

 

Regards

Pete

 

[avitec]

Have a good Holiday

 

avitec

[Pete Dowson]

Have a good Holiday

 

avitec

 

See my reply above yours, crossed in the aether!