Rudder & Steering Tiller problem

[VHRAK]

Being an old senior citizen and new to FSUIPC I have a small problem and have spent many hours trying to come up with a solution and thought " lets ask the experts"

The only aircraft I fly is the Sim-Avionics B777 in FSX......There are 2 controllers FDS FC1 which controls the toe brakes. They work fine. The other FDS FC1 controls the Elevators, Ailerons, Rudder and steering Tiller. Everything works except the Rudder & Steering Tiller. All the controls are assigned via FSUIPC. Herewith my fsuipc4 ini file for your perusal.

[General]

UpdatedByVersion=4934

History=7RSANSW7Z4M2ZVG7EGAVN

InitDelayDevicesToo=No

UseSystemTime=No

UseMidMouseBtn=Yes

MouseWheelMove=No

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

JoystickTimeout=20

PollGFTQ6=Yes

BlankDisplays=No

FixControlAccel=Yes

FixMachSpeedBug=Yes

DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

AutoScanDevices=Yes

VisibilityOptions=No

OneCloudLayer=No

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

GenerateCirrus=No

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

MaxIce=-4

MinIce=-4

UpperWindGusts=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=Yes

SuppressWindVariance=Yes

WindTurbulence=No

TurbulenceRate=0.5,2.5

TurbulenceDivisor=40,40,80,80

SuppressAllGusts=Yes

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

SmoothBySimTime=No

WindSmoothing=Yes

WindSmoothness=2

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

PressureSmoothness=0

TemperatureSmoothness=0

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=Yes

ThrottleSyncAll=No

WhiteMessages=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

MagicBattery=Yes

RudderSpikeRemoval=Yes

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=Yes

AileronSpikeRemoval=Yes

ReversedElevatorTrim=Yes

ClockSync=Yes

ClockSyncMins=5

ClearWeatherDynamics=No

OwnWeatherChanges=No

TimeForSelect=4

LoadFlightMenu=No

LoadPlanMenu=No

PauseAfterCrash=No

BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

SaveDataWithFlights=No

ZapSound=firework

ShortAircraftNameOk=Substring

UseProfiles=Yes

EnableMouseLook=No

AxesWrongRange=No

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

AxisCalibration=No

DirectAxesToCalibs=No

ShowMultilineWindow=No

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

AxisIntercepts=No

DontResetAxes=No

InitDelay=0

GetNearestAirports=Yes

OOMcheck=Yes

WeatherReadFactor=2

WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

CustomWeatherModify=No

SimConnectStallTime=1

LuaRerunDelay=66

Console=No

NewInterceptTextMenu=No

DelayedMouseLookZoom=No

FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61472.0

SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

 

[JoyNames]

AutoAssignLetters=No

0=FDS-FC1

0.GUID={C6662850-0034-11E3-8001-444553540000}

1=FDS-FC1

1.GUID={C6662850-0034-11E3-8002-444553540000}

 

[buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,10

1=R0,1,C65607,0

3=R0,3,C65615,0

4=U0,3,C65706,0

5=U0,1,C65706,0

 

[AutoSave]

Next=1

Interval=60

Files=10

SaveOnGround=No

AutoSaveEnabled=No

 

[GPSout]

GPSoutEnabled=No

Port=COM1

Speed=4800

Interval=2000

PosTo6Decimal=No

SimModeIndicator=No

Sentences=

 

[GPSout2]

GPSoutEnabled=No

Port=<none set>

Speed=4800

Interval=2000

PosTo6Decimal=No

SimModeIndicator=No

Sentences=

 

[WideServer]

WideFSenabled=Yes

AdvertiseService=1

Port=8002

Port2=9002

 

[sounds]

Path=F:\FSX\Sound\

Device1=Primary Sound Driver

Device2=Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)

Device3=Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)

 

[ClientNames]

1=FLIGHTSIM2

2=FLIGHTSIM3

3=FLIGHTSIM4

4=FLTSIM4

5=FLTSIM5

6=FLTSIM3

 

[Profile]

1=Sim-Avionics 777-200ER

 

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=Yes

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-16380,-9091,-9091,-9091

Elevator=-1478,3744,7808,13792

Rudder=-6264,1984,1984,8576

LeftBrake=16288,16380/16

RightBrake=16352,16380/16

Flaps=0,16380

SteeringTiller=16192,16192,16192,16380

SlopeLeftBrake=-3

SlopeRightBrake=-3

 

[Axes]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

 

[Axes.Aleirons]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=0T,256,D,36,0,0,0

4=1R,256,D,8,0,0,0

5=1U,256,D,7,0,0,0

 

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=Yes

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

SteeringTiller=16192,16192,16192,16380

Rudder=-6264,1984,1984,8576

Aileron=-16380,-9091,-9091,-9091

Elevator=-1478,3744,7808,13792

Flaps=0,16380

 

[buttons]

0=R0,1,C65616,0

1=R0,2,C65615,0

 

[buttons.Aleirons]

0=R0,1,C65616,0

1=R0,2,C65615,0

 

[Profile.Aleirons]

1=Aleirons

 

[Profile.B777]

1=Sim-Avionics 777-200ER

 

[buttons.B777]

2=R0,1,C65607,0

3=R0,2,C65615,0

4=U0,2,C0,0

 

[Axes.B777]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=0Z,1139,D,3,0,0,0

3=0S,256,D,36,0,0,0

4=0T,256,D,36,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,8,0,0,0

6=1R,256,D,8,0,0,0

7=1U,256,D,7,0,0,0

8=1V,256,D,7,0,0,0

 

[JoystickCalibration.B777]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=Yes

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Aileron=-15730,-1959,1676,16337

Elevator=-16207,-1057,1443,16177/16

Rudder=-16384,-1927,3137,16296

LeftBrake=2240,16256

RightBrake=2272,16224

Reverser=-16380,16380

FlapStarts=-16384,1,16379

Flaps=0,16380

FlapEnds=-16384,1,16379

SteeringTiller=-16191,-2084,-128,16383/16

Really appreciate your help...Thanks

[Pete Dowson]

Being an old senior citizen and new to FSUIPC I have a small problem and have spent many hours trying to come up with a solution and thought " lets ask the experts"

The only aircraft I fly is the Sim-Avionics B777 in FSX......There are 2 controllers FDS FC1 which controls the toe brakes. They work fine. The other FDS FC1 controls the Elevators, Ailerons, Rudder and steering Tiller. Everything works except the Rudder & Steering Tiller. All the controls are assigned via FSUIPC. Herewith my fsuipc4 ini file for your perusal.

[Axes.B777]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=0X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=0Z,1139,D,3,0,0,0

3=0S,256,D,36,0,0,0

4=0T,256,D,36,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,8,0,0,0

6=1R,256,D,8,0,0,0

7=1U,256,D,7,0,0,0

8=1V,256,D,7,0,0,0

You really do need to describe the problem in a little more detail than implying they "don't work"! In what way don't they work? No action at all? Wrong action? Jerky movement? Random movement?

One thing strikes me directly from your B777 axes section, the part I've kept above. You have double axis assignments to the steering tiller (0S and 0T) and also to both throttles 1 and 2 (1U, 1V and 1Z, 1R). Generally that is NOT a good idea! They can interfere with each other.

BTW, people often come here saying they are old. I'm not sure why. Is it meant to be an excuse for something? I am over 71, so also an "old senior citizen" but I can't use that as an excuse. Well not yet, in any case. Maybe I'll become feeble or get dementia, but then would I be flying my sim? :-)

Pete

[VHRAK]

Pete

Please accept my apologies, I should have given your more info. I'am lucky enough to have a FDS B777 cockpit. They use Sim-Avionics software, and recommend using FSUIPC for assigning the various controls.. When FSX is running and your good to go, you check the MFD to make sure the controls are working as they should, as I stated above the Elevators, Ailerons, work fine, but when you move the Rudder Pedals the indicator on the MFD display, doesn't move. Stays centered. Back into FSX look at the tail of the aircraft move the pedals no movement. When you move the steering tiller left or right the indicator starts moving in a jerky movement but returns to the center position (seems like there is a conflict happening).

In reference to your second paragraph. Would having double axis assignments be causing my problem, and if so, what do you recommend I do to resolve that issue?. The throttles appear to be working as normal.

Looking at the file above can you see any other problems?

Third paragraph Wasn't really necessary but Yep I'm 67 and your 71, I was hoping you would go easy on me, and you where right I was using it as an excuse, cos I must confess I don't know everything about the workings of FSUIPC. As a customer I'd appreciate some help with the above issues, look it my not be your problem, all I am looking for is a little help

Regards Robert

[Pete Dowson]

when you move the Rudder Pedals the indicator on the MFD display, doesn't move. Stays centered.

When you have both rudder and tiller assigned in FSUIPC the rudder control is used by both. FSUIPC uses the tiller input on the ground from 0 to 60 knots GS, and the rudder input in the air and on the ground above 60 knots. The effect of the two inputs is gradually changed between the two between 0 and 60. This is to simulate reality, and is fully documented in the FSUIPC documentation. I suspect you are trying to test the rudders on the ground and not whilst moving fast enough for rudder to be effective.

If you don't want this action then you could try assigning your tiller to the FSX steering axis control instead, which I think uses the nose wheel instead of the rudder. This control is new to FSX -- the FSUIPC facility dates from earlier versions of FS.

Also, the rudder assignment is this:

2=0Z,1139,D,3,0,0,0

The 1139 value has been set by YOU, in the Assignments tab. It is the "Delta", the value which defines the change seen in the axis before any movement is accepted. The default is 256 as you see in the others, and generally that is enough for all standard devices -- it gives 128 discrete values, which approximates the real resolution of most commercial axes. Try changing it in the file.

When you move the steering tiller left or right the indicator starts moving in a jerky movement but returns to the center position (seems like there is a conflict happening).

In reference to your second paragraph. Would having double axis assignments be causing my problem, and if so, what do you recommend I do to resolve that issue?.

Yes, of course double assignment causes conflicts and odd behaviour, as I think I said in my previous reply. You need to delete the assignment you don't want. Why do you have double assignments in any case? If you had dual controls then you'd have double assignments to aileron and elevator too, but you haven't.

The throttles appear to be working as normal.

Looking at the file above can you see any other problems?

The double throttle assignments are actually, on looking again, for the Left and Right brakes (number 7 left brake, 8=right brake). You don't have any FSUIPC assignments for throttles at all. So I'm now thinking you have the controllers also enabled in FSX -- that will most certainly give rise to worse conflicts than having double assignments in FSUIPC! You must choose one or the other!

As a customer I'd appreciate some help with the above issues, look it my not be your problem, all I am looking for is a little help

Regards Robert

:-( What's the need for that "as a customer" business? Am I not helping? Why do you feel the need to make insinuations or threats? I always try to help where I can ... even for those who are not "customers". FSUIPC has been around now for 16 years and was free for most of that time. I've helped FS users in general virtually full time for the whole period, only charging for some aspects of FSUIPC use when my other sourcces of income dried up.

Pete