Some Airports not transferred from Runways.txt to Runways.csv

[Richard Portier]

Hi,

I have a 3rd party scenery with 4 Altiports.

The problem seems to come from the fact that the four airports are correctly found and recorded in Runways.xml and Runways.txt but they are not "transferred" in Runways.csv nor in R4.csv!?

What could be the reason for this?

I have carefully read the instructions for MakeRwys.
I have the latest versions of FSUIPC, LorbySceneryExport and MakeRwys. All programs set as administrator...

P3Dv4.5hf2, FSUIPC v5.1.5.2, MakeRwys.exe v4.8.7.3.

Thank you and Regards,

Richard Portier

[Pete Dowson]

13 hours ago, Richard Portier said:

The problem seems to come from the fact that the four airports are correctly found and recorded in Runways.xml and Runways.txt but they are not "transferred" in Runways.csv nor in R4.csv!?

Runways.txt is merely a log, not a database file. Runways.xml has data which is available even if there is no valid runway -- vaklid in the sense that there is a "start".

Runways without "starts" are not included in the Runways.csv or R4.csv because there is no way a program using those lists can determine exactly where to put aircraft. MakeRwys relies on the "start" records" to derive such data.

So, check the log (Runways.txt) for one of these 'missing' airports to see if there are Start records listed.

The other possibility is that the runways are too short. MakeRwys, by default, won't include airports with short runways -- you can override that with a command line parameter. Same with water runways -- those are usually not included but again that can be overridden.

If you are still not sure, please copy and paste one or two of the entries in Runways.txt for the airports which concern you. Make sure, please, that these are from the LAST such entries should there be more than one -- later entries override earlier ones (scenery priority).

Pete

 

[Richard Portier]

3 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Runways.txt is merely a log, not a database file. Runways.xml has data which is available even if there is no valid runway -- vaklid in the sense that there is a "start".

Runways without "starts" are not included in the Runways.csv or R4.csv because there is no way a program using those lists can determine exactly where to put aircraft. MakeRwys relies on the "start" records" to derive such data.

So, check the log (Runways.txt) for one of these 'missing' airports to see if there are Start records listed.

The other possibility is that the runways are too short. MakeRwys, by default, won't include airports with short runways -- you can override that with a command line parameter. Same with water runways -- those are usually not included but again that can be overridden.

If you are still not sure, please copy and paste one or two of the entries in Runways.txt for the airports which concern you. Make sure, please, that these are from the LAST such entries should there be more than one -- later entries override earlier ones (scenery priority). 

Pete

 

Pete, thanks a lot for the explanation about "Runways.txt is merely a log, not a database file". Understood...

Please find attached the text file in which I copied the two airport entries (LFLJ) from Airways.txt. This is the second one that concerns the 3rd party Addon, I put the first one just in case.

I am of course very interested in being able to override if possible, but I don't know how (I'll extrapolate for the other three altiports).

Regards,

Richard

 

Runways Two Entries.txt

[Pete Dowson]

17 hours ago, Richard Portier said:

Please find attached the text file in which I copied the two airport entries (LFLJ) from Airways.txt. This is the second one that concerns the 3rd party Addon, I put the first one just in case.

There's one runway -- 04/22. length 3 feet only. So it is too short for any use at all, even by a model aircraft!

Runway 4 /22  centre: N45:23:44.6055  E006:37:57.1330  6586ft
              Start 4 : N45:23:45.9660  E006:37:58.9435  6586ft Hdg: 44.0T, Length 3ft 
              Hdg: 44.000 true (MagVar 1.000), UNKNOWN 126 (Transparent), 3 x 1 ft

3 feet long by 1 foot wide!

Why on Earth the airport designers have made this I've no idea -- you should ask them.  The three Helipads are not miniature at 33 feet.

Please refer to the MakeRwys documentation ("Makerwys READE.pdf") supplied withthe program. Om page 4 it explains the MINIMUM RUNWAY LENGTH and how to override this.

Pete

 

 

[Richard Portier]

On 10/26/2019 at 9:58 AM, Pete Dowson said:

There's one runway -- 04/22. length 3 feet only. So it is too short for any use at all, even by a model aircraft!

Runway 4 /22  centre: N45:23:44.6055  E006:37:57.1330  6586ft
              Start 4 : N45:23:45.9660  E006:37:58.9435  6586ft Hdg: 44.0T, Length 3ft 
              Hdg: 44.000 true (MagVar 1.000), UNKNOWN 126 (Transparent), 3 x 1 ft

3 feet long by 1 foot wide!

Why on Earth the airport designers have made this I've no idea -- you should ask them.  The three Helipads are not miniature at 33 feet.

Please refer to the MakeRwys documentation ("Makerwys READE.pdf") supplied withthe program. Om page 4 it explains the MINIMUM RUNWAY LENGTH and how to override this.

Pete

 

 

Thank you for your answer. One last question if you allow, when reading the MakeRwys documentation, I understood how to override the minimum length of the runway...

-Are there any undesirable consequences after overridden (>0)?
-If so, in what ways (visuals, others...)?

Thank you and Regards,

Richard.

[Pete Dowson]

2 hours ago, Richard Portier said:

Are there any undesirable consequences after overridden (>0)?

Only if you are using an ATC program and choose an airport for landing with far too short a runway for yor aircraft. It would just mean ATC couldn't tell you that you can't land there.

Nothing else. it only changes the listings after all.

Pete

 

[Richard Portier]

1 hour ago, Pete Dowson said:

Only if you are using an ATC program and choose an airport for landing with far too short a runway for yor aircraft. It would just mean ATC couldn't tell you that you can't land there.

Nothing else. it only changes the listings after all.

Pete

 

Thank you Pete.

ATC was not really a problem, these altiports actually have neither Ground nor Control Tower. The problem was that I couldn't use a flight plan with one of these 3 altiports as destination or departure in RC4...

Richard