FSUIPC 7 and the PMDG DC6 Throttle issue

[Flusi2004]

Hi, 

I know, that there is a general issue between PMDG and FSUIPC. But is meanwhile a solution for the throttle issue? I send my throttles from the DC6 with "Throttle 1 - 4 Throttle  Axis set Ex" to MSFS. But after moving the throttles into a forward position (taxi) they doesn´t go back to idle in the sim , the stayed at manifold 30. Also if I assign the throttles only with the MSFS Menue,  same issue.  I have to shut down the FSUIPC, when  it is all fine, but restart FSUIPC same issue. So I am unable to land the DC6, because I can not set the throttle to Idle if FSUIPC is running.

Thanks for help

Sonja

[John Dowson]

Sounds like you have calibrated in FSUIPC, or have a general calibration section that is being applied to the DC6. If you are using fsuipc profiles for the DC6, which you should be, go into the calibration tab of the Axis assignment dialog box and chexk the Profile-specific box (if not already checked), and then reset or re-calibrate your throttles there.
If you still get the same issue, please show me/attach your FSUIPC7.ini and an FSUIPC7.log file, generated with logging for Axes controls activated and showing your issue, i.e. load rthe aircraft, and move the throttles through its full range and back again, and then exit FSUIPC7 before attaching your files.

John

[Flusi2004]

Hi John, thanks for reply. Somthing goes wrong. Now also the AFE from the PMDG doesn`t work correct if FSUIC is running. After stopping FSUIPC all works normal. And no issue with the Superconny 4 engines jetliner with FSUIPC or the PMDG 737 for example, only the PMDG DC6 has an issue with FSUIPC.

Thanks for help again

 

Sonja

FSUIPC7.ini FSUIPC7.log

[John Dowson]

Your ini file shows that you do not have any profile-specific calibration for the DC6, and so the general calibration section is applied. As I said in my previous post, please make the DC6 calibration profile-specific, and then remove (i.e. reset) the calibration settings for throttles 1-4. As I don't have the DC6, I am not sure how to calibrate that - does it come with any in-aircraft calibration settings? If so, you should use that.

The log file you attached is of no use as you did not activate logging for axes controls as advised.

18 hours ago, Flusi2004 said:

After stopping FSUIPC all works normal.

If works ok without FSUIPC, this implies that you have also assigned your throttle in MSFS. You should only assign in one place - if you are assigning your throttles in MSFS, remove the assignments in FSUIPC, as well as the calibration.

Your general calibration for throttle2 is also rather strange:

Quote

Throttle1=-16384,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-16384,16383,16383,16383/32
Throttle3=-16384,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle4=-16384,-512,512,16383/32

You should correct that.

18 hours ago, Flusi2004 said:

Now also the AFE from the PMDG doesn`t work correct if FSUIC is running.

Well, if you have the AFE running then this can also affect the throttle and throttle position. But again, as your DC-6 throttle is being calibrated in FSUIPC, this may be the same issue. Remove the throttle calibration for the DC-6 - but make sure that you make the DC-6 calibration profile-specific first or this will affect other aircraft that use this.

Also see https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/127235-msfs-dc-6-throttle-position-and-automatic-flight-engineer

John

Later: your Throttle4 calibration in your Superconny profile is also rather strange:

Quote

Throttle1=-16384,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle2=-16384,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle3=-16384,-512,512,16383/32
Throttle4=-16254,-512,51

 

Edited March 7, 2023 by John Dowson
Later added

[Flusi2004]

I have forgotten to check the axis log, sorry for that. Here the log again, but only a part, because the whole logfile is 800kb. But I am afraid, that there is no solution. I can not calibrate the throttle axis, if I sent them direct to MSFS (throttle  Axis set ex). All other Axis options sent with fsuipc to MSFS doesn´t work. I found serveral Threads in the forums with the same reports.Even PMDG recommends in a forum not to use PMDG with FSUIPC, because there are unknown issues with their products if FSUIPC is running. But that's a pity,  many Addon needs FSUPC (P2ATC...). Anyway, if you have any ideas please let me know.

Thanks

Sonja

FSUIPC71.log

[John Dowson]

24 minutes ago, Flusi2004 said:

Here the log again, but only a part, because the whole logfile is 800kb.

That log shows nothing...I need to see the complete log file. Compress/zip it. But I don't want to see this until you have removed the FSUIPC calibration....

25 minutes ago, Flusi2004 said:

But I am afraid, that there is no solution. I can not calibrate the throttle axis, if I sent them direct to MSFS (throttle  Axis set ex).

This doesn't make sense...you are sending the controls direct to MSFS (i.e. you have assigned using Send to FS as normal axis and not Send direct to FSUIPC calibration). But you do then have the throttle calibrated in FSUIPC (in your general calibration section) so the controls are going to MSFS, then coming back to FSUIPC and being masked (i.e. not applied in MSFS), then calibrated and sent back to MSFS. You cannot assign with Send direct to FSUIPC calibration with aircraft using the *_EX1 controls.

What you need to do (and this is now the third time I have said this...) is to remove FSUIPC's calibration in your DC6 profile. To do this. load the aircraft, go into FSUIPC's calibration tab and check the Profile specific checkbox. Then Reset the calibration of the throttle on page 1 of the calibration tab, and then go to page 3 of the calibration tab and Reset the calibration of the 4 individual throttles. This will remove FSUIPC calibration. If you need to reverse your throttle axes, use FSUIPC's axes scaling feature with a value of -1 (i.e. add ,*-1 to the axes assignment lines in your FSUIPC7.ini - see section Additional parameters to scale input axis values of the Advanced user guide for more details.).

41 minutes ago, Flusi2004 said:

I found serveral Threads in the forums with the same reports.

Did you see this: 

 

43 minutes ago, Flusi2004 said:

Even PMDG recommends in a forum not to use PMDG with FSUIPC, because there are unknown issues with their products if FSUIPC is running.

There are known issues with calibration, but if you set this up correctly you should be fine. PMDG provided me with a license for the MSFS 737 so that I can help with this, but I don'y have the DC-6. Otherwise, if it works better for you, assign your throttles for the DC-6 in MSFS, and make sure that you don't have them assigned OR calibrated in FSUIPC7.

John

[Flusi2004]

It  works! I didn´t understood, (sorry, I am a senior) that I have  to delete the general calibrations settings. I thought there are deleted automaticlally if I choose a specific profile

Thanks for your patience.

Sonja

[John Dowson]

36 minutes ago, Flusi2004 said:

I have  to delete the general calibrations settings. I thought there are deleted automaticlally if I choose a specific profile

All axis settings are profile specific, but the general calibration settings are applied in a profile unless you also check the Profile Specific checkbox in the calibration tab, in which case the general calibration settings are then copied to the profile from where they can then also be edited to suite the profile.

Button and key assignments are always automatically inherited in any profile unless they are specifically overridden in the profile itself.

Don't worry about it - a lot of people are confused by this. I will see if I can update the User guide to make this more clear - although not that many people seem to refer to this!

Cheers,

John