Can I sync throttles for the pmdg 737 like in P3D using fsuipc7

[Paul alleruzzo]

Hi.. I need help synching the throttle for the pmdg in fs2020. In p3d I was able to program a key in fsuipc to sync engine 1 and 2 when need. And use seperate throttle when desired. I couod not find a way to do this using fsuipc7. It's important because A/T seems to always disconnect and i believe it has something to do with  n1 for both engines being out of sync. It's also very difficult to manually land when I can't match throttle. I use the boeing tca throttle quadrant from thrustmaster.. again I was able to do this with P3D and fsuipc .  Anyway know of a way to accomplish this in fs2020? I would like to remain using 2 axes for seperate throttle but also sync them when needed.  Thank you so much 

Paul

[John Dowson]

8 hours ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

In p3d I was able to program a key in fsuipc to sync engine 1 and 2 when need.

How did you do this? Why doesn't this work in MSFS/FSUIPC7?

The problem with syncing throttles in this manner (i.e. setting a throttle value that is different from the one set by the assigned throttle axis position) is that is that any movement on the throttle controller can cause a movement in the throttle axis which would then send another value that would override the synced position. To prevent this, you would also need to disconnect the throttle axis (via offset 0x310A).

8 hours ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

I use the boeing tca throttle quadrant from thrustmaster.. again I was able to do this with P3D and fsuipc . 

Can you show me how you did this in P3D, and explain why this doesn't work in MSFS. Thanks,

John

[Paul alleruzzo]

Hi John

So in P3D I used fsuipc .  Under options and settings there was an option for "multiple throttle synchronization "  I simply set a key and it would make both throttles synchronized.  Fsuipc7 doesn't have this as far as I know. It was amazingly convenient.   I would appreciate any other ideas.  Thank you so much.

 

[Paul alleruzzo]

....it was under the "hot key" tab.  And I do own a registered copy of both fsuipc versions .

 

[John Dowson]

Have you tried assigning a key press (or button) to the throttlesync controls? There are three such controls: Throttlesync On, Throttlesync Off and Throttlesync Toggle.

[Paul alleruzzo]

John 

I did not see these controls . Are they in v7 of fsuipc ? That would be exactly what I would use. But I only saw this in earlier versions of fsuipc

[John Dowson]

Yes, they are also available in v7 - why can't you see them?

[Paul alleruzzo]

John .

Thank you so much.. I just found them in "key assignments."  I noticed when setting it up , I used "M" key to sync throttles and they do sync up...until i move one of the throttles then it's seperate again.  When I used a key to toggle synchronization in previous versions of fsuipc , the throttles would remain synched even while moving them until I hit the toggle key again.   Any ideas?

I appreciate your help and sorry for the trouble.

 

[John Dowson]

4 minutes ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

When I used a key to toggle synchronization in previous versions of fsuipc , the throttles would remain synched even while moving them until I hit the toggle key again.   Any ideas?

Not sure how this works...how can they sync if moving two throttle levers independently? I will take a look at this in P3D/FSUIPC6, and compare this to MSFS/FSUIPC7, but this will be next week sometime. I will report back once I have taken a look.

John

[Paul alleruzzo]

Thanks.  I went back into p3d and confirmed it works with fsuipcV6.  Under hot keys tab the "multiple throttle synchronization " is set using M key for me. In the Sim when throttles are seperate , I can press M and they both move together until I press M again.  It somehow turns off multiple throttles and only works with engine number 1 axis but it controls both engine in sim..  its a great feature that doesn't seen to work the same in fs2020.. I will experiment with it and look forward to your thoughts next week when you are able.  Thank you 

 

Paul alleruzzo 

[John Dowson]

Hi Paul. Sorry for the delay with this...
I have checked the code and the throttle-sync controls do exactly the same thing as the hot-key assignment in P3D, so I am not sure why it isn't working the same, but probably due to aircraft differences. I will take a look further when I can. What aircraft are you using this with in MSFS?

Edited August 31, 2023 by John Dowson
OP is using PMDG 737

[John Dowson]

On 7/29/2023 at 2:44 PM, Paul alleruzzo said:

I noticed when setting it up , I used "M" key to sync throttles and they do sync up...until i move one of the throttles then it's seperate again.  When I used a key to toggle synchronization in previous versions of fsuipc , the throttles would remain synched even while moving them until I hit the toggle key again.   Any ideas?

How have you assigned your throttle? I have noticed similar behavior when assigned as 'Send to FS as normal axis;', except they remain synced when I move the throttle 1 axis but separate when I move the throttle 2 axis. However, if I assign as 'Send direct to FSUIPC calibration; to Throttle1 and Throttle2 it seems to work - the throttle 1 axis works syncing both throttles and the throttle2 axis has no effect.

[Paul alleruzzo]

Hi John

Thanks so much for checking in on this.  Its still causing me problems.  I verified that the "Direct to fsuipc calubration" was set.    Still the same.  But confirm there is no HOTKEY like in P3D.   I am using the "throttlesync toggle" option in the buttons tab in fsuipc.  I choose "M" key.  When pressed, my throttles do indeed sync up but then as soon as I move one og the levers physically, they run seperate again.  This causes a disconnect of the A/T at every taxi and at every takeoff when trying to get 40% N1 for both engines.  So strange because in P3D, I assigned the hot Key to "M" also and no problems.  Thanks so much helping me I do appreciate it tremendously.

[John Dowson]

Can you first check your key assignments in MSFS - is the 'M' key assigned there? If so, remove that assignment - by default it is assigned to Magneto...

If you still have issues after that, please show me/attach your FSUIPC7.ini file, and also your profile-specific ini file if using profiles-in-separate-files.

I am pretty busy at the moment but will take a look when time permits.

John

[Paul alleruzzo]

Ok.. I removed magneto assignment from the "m" key with same results... ill send the ini file but before I do.. can you confirm it's the "throttlesync toggle" I need to assign through fsuipc and also right now I have the throttles set up through fs2020. Should I only have them set up through fsuipc..could that be the problem?

[John Dowson]

1 minute ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

an you confirm it's the "throttlesync toggle" I need to assign through fsuipc

Yes - or the throttlesync on/off controls

2 minutes ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

I have the throttles set up through fs2020. Should I only have them set up through fsuipc..could that be the problem?

Yes - you need to assign the throttles in FSUIPC only, and with 'Send direct to FSUIPC calibration'.
It doesn't work in FSUIPC7 when assigned in the FS or when assigned with 'Send to FS as normal axis'. Does it work in P3D when the throttle is assigned in P3D? That would surprise me, especially with PMDG aircraft (which I do not have for P3D and so cannot check unfortunately).

John

[Paul alleruzzo]

Ok ill remove the seperate throttle assignments in fs2020 and try again and report back.  I believe I had it working in p3d assignment yes. The difference was in fsuipc6 you had an option under the hot key tabs to select sync throttle .in v.7 there is no tab.its done through key presses under assignments.  Ok ill do that test and report back. Thanks again for this.

[Paul alleruzzo]

*FIXED* by removing the seperate throttle assignments in fs2020.  This is great and thanks so much. Sometimes it's the simplest solution that was right in front of my face . Thank you for the great support

[John Dowson]

1 hour ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

I believe I had it working in p3d assignment yes.

Ok, but that seems strange, PMDG aircraft usually have issues with FSUIPC calibration if assigned in the sim or in FSUIPC with 'Send to FS as normal axis' due to priority levels.

1 hour ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

The difference was in fsuipc6 you had an option under the hot key tabs to select sync throttle .in v.7

In FSUIPC6 an earlier, even though they are called 'hot keys' they are no actual windows hot keys, just key assignments to common functions. They work the same as having the equivalent key assignment, and so provide no added functionality really. This is why they  were removed in FSUIPC7.

1 hour ago, Paul alleruzzo said:

*FIXED* by removing the seperate throttle assignments in fs2020.  This is great and thanks so much. Sometimes it's the simplest solution that was right in front of my face . Thank you for the great support

Ok, good!

Cheers,

John