Blask Square - Turbine Duke, throttle axis adjustment to remove beta-range

[SMN204]

Blask Square - Turbine Duke
Black Square modeled the beta range of the propeller lever as automatically engaging at a throttle position of 15 percent.
Is there any way to adjust the throttle axis to remove the beta range that activates the reverse at a throttle position less than 15 percent ?
I have a Thrustmaster HOTAS WARTHOG Throttle.

Video of throttle movement when moving the levers of my HOTAS WARTHOG Throttle from min to max.

There is no physical detent on the axis! And when I set the throttle to the minimum position I expect to get IDLE, but I get REVERS!
Trying to adjust throttle axes in FSUIPC did not give any result....

I want to have idle when I set the throttle to minimum! Not reverse!

Is this possible with the axis adjustments in FSUIP?

And why when I press "SET" in the axis adjustment window and do not adjust anything - the OUT value is always "-4096" and not "-16384" ?

 

[John Dowson]

1 hour ago, SMN204 said:

I want to have idle when I set the throttle to minimum! Not reverse!

Try checking the No Reverse Zone checkbox (top right) and then calibrate. what throttle axis are you assigning to?

[SMN204]

15 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

 

Try checking the No Reverse Zone checkbox (top right) and then calibrate. what throttle axis are you assigning to?

I assign the axis of my left HOTAS WARTHOG Throttle lever to Throttle1 FSUIP
This axis is NOT assigned in the MSFS settings!
Here is a video of my calibration attempt.... Throttle 1.

 

[John Dowson]

Looks like its sending only positive axis values from the calibration page, so I don't understand how it can be going into reverse. I would need to see your FSUIPC7.ini files and FSUIPC7.log files to see why, the latter with logging for Axes Controls activated.  Just move the throttle through its full range and back, then exit FSUIPC7 before attaching files.

You can also try assigning using 'Send to FS as normal axis' and use the Throttle1 Set control, and check the NRZ box. You may also need to uncheck the Exclude Throttlen Set checkbox - try with and without.

Check also that you have UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No in the [JoystickCalibration] section of the INI file.
 

[John Dowson]

I don't have the Black Square Turbine Duke, but looking at the Kodiak, which also has a reverse range on the throttle, when I assign using 'Send direct to FSUIPC calibration' and calibrate with No Reverse Zone checked, the throttle moves between idle and full throttle. If I calibrate without this checked, I can use the reverse zone.
I would expect the same behavior in the BS Duke, so I don't fully understand why it is still going into reverse when you calibrate with NRZ checked, especially as it looks like the minimum value the axis is sending out is 0. But you should still set the minimum (in the calibration) to your axis minimum, i.e. around -16384 - 16300.

Can you also try activating logging for Axes Controls (Log -> Axes Controls), open the logging console window (Log -> Open Console) and see what parameter values are being sent with the Throttle axis controls - what are the values when the throttle in the VC is at idle, and what is it using for the reverse range? Also please show me / attach your FSUIPC7.ini and FSUIPC7.log files so I can take a look.

 

 

[John Dowson]

If the throttle is going into reverse when low positive values are being sent, you can maybe prevent this by extending the throttle range by editing the calibration in your FSUIPC7.ini file. Find the throttle calibration line (Throttle1=....) and change the lower limit (which should be around -16384) and change that to say -22000. Try that and then adjust as needed, i.e. decrease further if you still get reverse thrust, and increase a bit if you cannot get to idle.

As an example, this is my throttle calibration line for the Kodiak:
     Throttle1=-16320,-512,512,16380/32
I would change this to the following to restrict the lower value range sent:
    Throttle1=-22500,-512,512,16380/32

Do the editing with the axes assignments/calibration window open, and when you have saved your changes, click the Reload all assignments button (in assignments tab) to load the changes.

[SMN204]

4 hours ago, John Dowson said:

You can also try assigning using 'Send to FS as normal axis' and use the Throttle1 Set control, and check the NRZ box. You may also need to uncheck the Exclude Throttlen Set checkbox - try with and without.

I tried these options - same thing

 

4 hours ago, John Dowson said:

Check also that you have UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No in the [JoystickCalibration] section of the INI file.

Check,  UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

 

57 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

Can you also try activating logging for Axes Controls (Log -> Axes Controls), open the logging console window (Log -> Open Console) and see what parameter values

It's not possible to see anything here... 🙂
I'm not moving anything.

 

57 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

Also please show me / attach your FSUIPC7.ini and FSUIPC7.log files so I can take a look.

 

4 hours ago, John Dowson said:

I would need to see your FSUIPC7.ini files and FSUIPC7.log files to see why, the latter with logging for Axes Controls activated.  Just move the throttle through its full range and back, then exit FSUIPC7 before attaching files.

Attached

FSUIPC7.log FSUIPC7.ini

FSUIPC7.log

[John Dowson]

Before I look at your files, please see my last post and try that...

[SMN204]

36 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

Before I look at your files, please see my last post and try that...

-24000 OK !! 👍

And this lower limit change for Throttle1 will be applied to all Throttle1 assignments (other aircraft, for example)...
If yes, is it possible to apply this lower limit change only to DUKE, for example? Or is it not possible?

 

 

[John Dowson]

56 minutes ago, SMN204 said:

And this lower limit change for Throttle1 will be applied to all Throttle1 assignments (other aircraft, for example)...
If yes, is it possible to apply this lower limit change only to DUKE, for example? Or is it not possible?

Yes - just make it a profile-specific calibration. i.e. check the profile-specific checkbox and add it to your BS Duke profile. If you don't have one, it will prompt you to create one.
Please see the User guide on how to use profiles.

John

[SMN204]

15 hours ago, John Dowson said:

Please see the User guide on how to use profiles

I know that.

Asked because the throttle calibration line (Throttle1=....Throttle2...) does not specify which profile-specific calibration this applies to.

I haven't configured the axes via FSUIP yet, so I'm clarifying

[John Dowson]

1 minute ago, SMN204 said:

Asked because the throttle calibration line (Throttle1=....Throttle2...) does not specify which profile-specific calibration this applies to.

But you haven't checked the profile-specific check-box in the calibration tab. Do that to make your calibration specific to the Turbine Duke profile. Once this is done, you will still have the duke calibration in your general profile - you probably want to remove this.

3 minutes ago, SMN204 said:

I haven't configured the axes via FSUIP yet, so I'm clarifying

But you have! The image you posted shows you have at least configured the throttle axis in FSUIPC, and the assigned is in your Turbine Duke profile.

[SMN204]

4 hours ago, John Dowson said:

But you have! The image you posted shows you have at least configured the throttle axis in FSUIPC, and the assigned is in your Turbine Duke profile.

I checked the box here.

Reload All Setting
Deleted the in the general throttle calibration lines-
Throttle1=....
Throttle2=....

Reload...
And now here are the axis settings in the DUKE profile!


Thanks for your help!

[John Dowson]

Looks good to me!