PMDG B777-300ER Baro/Altimeter dial

[Deluvian]

Hi,

I mapped EFIS/PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc and Dec for my new profile for B777 to the same VPC dial as for B737 (separate profile) which worked correctly.

Baro goes "crazy", instead of dialing baro one step per click it kind of works by dialing the speed of the knob, which then keeps on turning on its own... very hard to control

 

thoughts?

 

VS Inc/Dec on a different dial works as expected

 

[John Dowson]

1 hour ago, Deluvian said:

I mapped EFIS/PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc and Dec for my new profile for B777 to the same VPC dial as for B737 (separate profile) which worked correctly.

I am not sure what you mean by ' to the same VPC dial as for B737'. Could you please show me / attach your FSUIPC7.ini file so that I can see your assignments.

Note there are presets defined for the PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc and Dec - PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc & PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Dec. Have you tried those?
If they are not working as expected, you can ask about these on the MobiFlight discord server, in the msfs2020 channel.

 

[Deluvian]

10 minutes ago, John Dowson said:

I am not sure what you mean by ' to the same VPC dial as for B737'. Could you please show me / attach your FSUIPC7.ini file so that I can see your assignments.

Note there are presets defined for the PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc and Dec - PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc & PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Dec. Have you tried those?
If they are not working as expected, you can ask about these on the MobiFlight discord server, in the msfs2020 channel.

 

 

same Virpil VPC throttle, the same dial used for two different profiles: 737 and 777, one works as desired, second as described

That was just a mental shortcut for exactly those two: PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc & PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Dec

just realized that I started a new INI again, so my previous mappings for 737 profile Baro Inc and Baro Dec are probably not there

 

thanks for looking into it

FSUIPC7.ini

Edited August 26 by Deluvian

[John Dowson]

18 hours ago, Deluvian said:

same Virpil VPC throttle, the same dial used for two different profiles: 737 and 777, one works as desired, second as described

That was just a mental shortcut for exactly those two: PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Inc & PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Dec

You should read the description of this preset: For encoder.  Requires also setting output timer handler "PMDG B777 Baro Timer Handler" preset

And the PMDG B777 Mins Timer Handler preset states: Used along with EFIS L Mins Inc and Dec and EFIS R Baro Inc and Dec events. Note however that this is an Output preset, and so cannot be used in FSUIPC.

It is not clear to me why this was implemented this way or how you use these presets together (and I don't have the 777 to test/look into this). You could ask about this on the MF Discord server (MSFS2020 channel), but probably better to look into other methods of control as FSUIPC does not support Output presets - these are for use in MobiFlight and there are other ways to access lvar values in FSUIPC.

There is the preset PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Knob which has the description: This is the Baro knob INCR/DECR. There is additional code required for the "slew" capability. Takes inputs from -50 to +50. This makes me think that the additional timer code in the inc/dec presets are for this "slew" capability.

There are two other things you can try:

1. Use the 737 presets. These use the rotor brake controls (i.e. custom controls via the Rotor Brake control). These should also be valid for the 777, as I believe the PMDG SDK header file for the 777 is the same as that for the 737,

2. Define your own preset (using the myevents.txt file) as follows:

My_PMDG_B777_EFIS_L_Baro_Knob#$Param (>L:CABaroKnob, number)

Then assign to this giving a negative parameter (e.g. -10) for decrement, and a positive parameter (e.g.10) for the increment. The lvar takes values from -50 to +50, so you can adjust the parameter to suit your needs.

Edited August 27 by John Dowson
corrected

[Deluvian]

Hello John,

Thank you for addressing the issue. Unfortunately, some of the comments just "flew above my head" a bit.. well, not everybody who wants to enjoy "simming" needs to be on the level that requires an understanding of such technical nuances. I pay for software to make sure that somebody will help me with the things I do not understand or do not have the time or need to learn. And, that I am not going to receive typical open-source-type support answers: "I do not understand your question", "RTFM"...

Long story short, let me tell you what I understood, tried, and the results.

- I tried PMDG B777 EFIS L Baro Knob without any additional parametrization, just trying different values (-10 and 10; -50 and 50). Then I tried the custom: My_PMDG_B777_EFIS_L_Baro_Knob#$Param (>L:CABaroKnob, number) also manipulating number values

behavior: same as alegged just different increments, additional disadvantage: no "zero" position, once you start rolling down or up there is no encoder position that baro value would stop at.

- tried of course using 737 Knob Inc & Dec.... fiasco! no reaction at all

Looks like PMDG "different" implementation is the problem. Boomer, because I refuse to share my identity, I cannot even get on their forum and there does not seem to be an anonymous way to open a ticket for a product  I paid hefty money for.

Maybe somebody here has a better idea 😐

Thanks again o7

[John Dowson]

10 hours ago, Deluvian said:

- tried of course using 737 Knob Inc & Dec.... fiasco! no reaction at all

Sorry, I should not have suggested this as the SDK for the 777 is different from that of the 737. The 737 presets use the custom control (via the Rotor Brake control):

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#define    EVT_EFIS_CPT_BARO                                (THIRD_PARTY_EVENT_ID_MIN + 365)

 

For the 777, the custom control is the following:

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#define    EVT_EFIS_CPT_BARO                                (THIRD_PARTY_EVENT_ID_MIN + 191)    

To use custom controls in PMDG aircraft, see the following FAQ entries:

To use the custom control in a preset, you have to use the first method (i.e. via the Rotor Brake Control). Create two additional presets:

My_PMDG_B737_EFIS_CPT_BARO Dec#19108 (>K:ROTOR_BRAKE)
My_PMDG_B737_EFIS_CPT_BARO Inc#19107 (>K:ROTOR_BRAKE)
My_PMDG_B737_EFIS_FO_BARO Dec#25808 (>K:ROTOR_BRAKE)
My_PMDG_B737_EFIS_FO_BARO Inc#25807 (>K:ROTOR_BRAKE)

 

10 hours ago, Deluvian said:

Thank you for addressing the issue. Unfortunately, some of the comments just "flew above my head" a bit.. well, not everybody who wants to enjoy "simming" needs to be on the level that requires an understanding of such technical nuances. I pay for software to make sure that somebody will help me with the things I do not understand or do not have the time or need to learn. And, that I am not going to receive typical open-source-type support answers: "I do not understand your question", "RTFM"...

Sorry, but if you ask for help with something that is clearly documented, you will be referred to the documentation. Documentation is provided so that I do not have to answer the same questions repeatedly. If I do not understand what you are asking, I will of course need clarification and further information - I am not a mind reader...And I support FSUIPC7 and can show/help you how to use this - I do NOT support MSFS, PMDG aircraft or any other specific aircraft, although I do help out with assignments when I can...and if I have the aircraft, but this is not something that is included when you buy FSUIPC. Things ARE complicated with MSFS - there are so many different ways to assign, and every aircraft is different. I just supply the tools to help you with this. You need to learn how to use them.