jjjanezic Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 Good morning, one question to Pete (or anyone else who knows abaout): there is a range of offsets (30E0-30EF & 30F0-30FF) which should be used to indicate various type of flaps. Is this a real FS-Offset or is it a FSUIPC-"fake"? And if it is a real FS-Offset, what do I have to cinfigure in the aircraft.cfg (Flaps-Section) to use these offsets? With a normal plane, these offsets read zero and writing in these offsets doesn't cause anything... Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 there is a range of offsets (30E0-30EF & 30F0-30FF) which should be used to indicate various type of flaps. Is this a real FS-Offset or is it a FSUIPC-"fake"? Like over 90% of all "offsets" listed, they are "fake" in the sense that the value of the offset is completely unrelated to where the data is inside FS. Please just regard "offsets" as meaning "token numbers" or even "names" for the values. The apparent memory mapping is mostly an illusion, created to maintain compatibility with the original interfacing method created by Adam Szofran in FS95 and FS98, when it was really just a window to the FS "GLOBALS.DLL" data area. And if it is a real FS-Offset, what do I have to cinfigure in the aircraft.cfg (Flaps-Section) to use these offsets? When you say "use" them I assume you mean read the values so you can have one of those multiple flap position indicator gauges on your EICAS screen? There's no other use I can think of, except maybe to figure out drag and lift figures your own way instead of relying on FS calculations. The different flap positions and so on are defined in the AIRCRAFT.CFG file in [flaps.N]. There are certainly several such sections defined for the default 737-400 and they are even commented. Is there not enough information there? Check the Aircraft Container SDK from MS. Otherwise that's really a question for aircraft designers, amongst which I most certainly do not number! :? With a normal plane, these offsets read zero and writing in these offsets doesn't cause anything... The values most certainly do change with the default 737-400. I think they work for all aircraft, IF the corresponding flaps or slats are actually fitted. You cannot write to them, they are only read-outs -- FS does not provide separate controls for each flap section (nor probably do real aircraft), though on some aircraft ailerons also adjust some flap sections ("flaperons"?). Regards, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjanezic Posted January 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Hello and good morning. Thanks for your assistance. Well of course I've tried the stuff with the different flap-sections in the aircraft.cfg, but it didn't cause any difference in reading zeros. (your assumption that "use" means "read" was fully true ;-)) I didn't know about the B737-400 (sorry but I'm Airbus A320-freak) and I will check this on the weekend. Maybe it causes any changes... One mor flaps-question: You wrote, that the mentioned offsets are read-only. So there is no way in FS to simulate different Flaps-Slats-configurations, then to configure them "fixed" in the aircraft.cfg? Just to explain: as you maybe know, the Airbus got a "1+F" and a "1" flaps-configuration, depending on the speed of the aircraft (the flaps-lever is always in notch #1). First I wanted to have the following independent configurations: flaps: slats: 0 0 10 18 15 22 20 27 35 If there is no chance to treat them independently I have to create the follwowing positions: flaps: slats: 0 0 0 18 10 18 15 22 20 22 35 27 So, you can see, there are more positions.... Well, I'll try this. Thanks again. And have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Just to explain: as you maybe know, the Airbus got a "1+F" and a "1" flaps-configuration, depending on the speed of the aircraft (the flaps-lever is always in notch #1). Oh, I see. No, I don't think you can do that without having a selectable extra position, as you suggested. But I am not an aircraft designer and this is not my subject. Maybe there is a way to design the aircraft in the way you suggest, but this will have to be part of the CFG, AIR or MDL files, there are no separate slat and flap pilot controls that I know of in FS. What do the "professional" (ie payware) AirBus models for FS do about this? Regards, Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flypfc Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 jjjanezic there is no way in MSFS to have 1 notch do to different flap settings but you can define the different flaps and slat detent like they are in and aircraft so that the proper flap or slat is moved when you set the detent type 1 = trailing edge, 2 = leading edge. [Flaps.0] type=1 span-outboard=0.690 extending-time=35.000 system_type=1 damaging-speed=260.000 blowout-speed=280.000 lift_scalar=1.000 drag_scalar=1.000 pitch_scalar=1.000 flaps-position.0= 0.000, 0.000 flaps-position.1= 5.013, 0.000 flaps-position.2= 10.027, 0.000 flaps-position.3= 15.040, 0.000 flaps-position.4= 20.054, 0.000 flaps-position.5= 25.067, 0.000 flaps-position.6= 30.080, 0.000 flaps-position.7= 35.094, 0.000 flaps-position.8= 40.107, 0.000 [Flaps.1] type=1 span-outboard=0.950 extending-time=35.000 system_type=1 damaging-speed=250.000 blowout-speed=270.000 lift_scalar=1.000 drag_scalar=1.000 pitch_scalar=4.0 flaps-position.0=0.000 flaps-position.1=3.100 flaps-position.2=4.000 flaps-position.3=5.700 flaps-position.4=4.000 flaps-position.5=3.200 flaps-position.6=0.000 flaps-position.7=0.000 flaps-position.8=0.000 [Flaps.2] type=1 span-outboard=0.950 extending-time=35.000 system_type=1 damaging-speed=190.000 blowout-speed=210.000 lift_scalar=-1.000 drag_scalar=-2.550 pitch_scalar=4.750 flaps-position.0=0.000 flaps-position.1=0.000 flaps-position.2=0.000 flaps-position.3=0.000 flaps-position.4=0.000 flaps-position.5=0.500 flaps-position.6=3.500 flaps-position.7=6.700 flaps-position.8=8.000 [Flaps.3] type=2 span-outboard=0.001 extending-time=3.5 system_type=1 damaging-speed=250.000 blowout-speed=270.000 lift_scalar=0.000 drag_scalar=0.000 pitch_scalar=0.000 flaps-position.0=0.0 flaps-position.1=40.0 flaps-position.2=40.0 flaps-position.3=40.0 flaps-position.4=40.0 flaps-position.5=40.0 flaps-position.6=40.0 flaps-position.7=40.0 flaps-position.8=40.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjanezic Posted January 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 God morning from snowy Austria (finally we got a little snow exactly the day I want to fly from LOWG to LOWL), THX for your assistance. I will try this on the weekend and report you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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