BrakeRelease Threshold

[calzoni92]

Hi Pete,

Just installed FSUIPC 3.943 to try out the BrakeRelease threshold.

Still no luck whatsoever with releasing the parking brake through the toe brakes.

I will post screenshots and a more of my .INI file to better show my setup and make sure i have done everything correctly.

[buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,10

[JoyNames]

AutoAssignLetters=No

1=CH Throttle Quadrant USB

2=CH Flight Sim Yoke USB

3=CH Pro Pedals USB

[General]

UpdatedByVersion=3943

WindSmoothing=Yes

AutoTaxiWind=No

PropTaxiWind=No

TimeSetMode=Partial

WhiteMessages=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

GraduatedVisibility=No

LowerVisAltitude=0

UpperVisAltitude=25000

UpperVisibility=6000

GenerateCirrus=No

WindShearSharp=No

UpperWindGusts=No

ExtendMetarMaxVis=No

CorrectVSsign=Yes

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

AxisInterceptIfDirect=No

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

AutoClearWeather=Yes

ExtendTopWind=Yes

WindSmoothness=-8

SmoothPressure=No

PressureSmoothness=5

SmoothVisibility=Yes

VisibilitySmoothness=2

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

MinimumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityFewClouds=0

MaximumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityOvercast=0

MaximumVisibilityRainy=0

OneCloudLayer=No

ThinClouds=No

ThinThunderClouds=No

CloudThinness=1000

ThunderCloudThinness=10000

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

WindTurbulence=No

SuppressAllGusts=No

ExternalOptionControl=Yes

AutoTuneADF=No

KeepFS98CloudCover=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

MagicBattery=Yes

RudderSpikeRemoval=Yes

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=Yes

AileronSpikeRemoval=Yes

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

StopAutoFuel=No

TrapUserInterrupt=Yes

NavFreq50KHz=No

ClockSync=No

SmoothIAS=Yes

SetVisUpperAlt=No

VisUpperAltLimit=6000

MaxIce=3

MinIce=-1

WindSmoothingDelay=8

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

LimitWindVariance=No

VisSmoothingDelay=0

VisSmoothAirborneOnly=No

TrafficControlDirect=Yes

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

ZapSound=firework

ShortAircraftNameOk=No

UseProfiles=No

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

TrafficScanPerFrame=10

AxisCalibration=No

CentredDialogue=Yes

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

ClearWeatherDynamics=Yes

OwnWeatherChanges=No

FixWindows=Yes

FixControlAccel=Yes

WeatherReadInterval=4

MoveBGLvariables=Yes

TimeForSelect=4

WeatherReadsFast=No

MainMenu=&Modules

SubMenu=&FSUIPC ...

SetStdBaroKey=88,8

BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

DontResetAxes=No

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=0

RudderTrimControl=0

CowlFlaps1Control=0

CowlFlaps2Control=0

CowlFlaps3Control=0

CowlFlaps4Control=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Reverser=-16380,16380/6

Mixture=-16380,16380

Rudder=-16380,-1430,1536,16380

Throttle1=-13393,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle2=-13653,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle3=-13133,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle4=-13132,-512,512,16128/40

LeftBrake=-16380,16380

RightBrake=-16380,16380

[Axes]

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0Z,1,D,3,47,0,0

3=1X,256,D,9,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,10,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,11,0,0,0

6=1R,256,D,12,0,0,0

7=1U,256,D,5,0,0,0

8=1V,256,D,25,0,0,0

9=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

10=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

11=3X,256,D,7,0,0,0

12=3Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

13=3Z,256,D,3,47,0,0

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So what ever I do with my toebrakes it just does not release the parking brake. Sometimes it allows the release once but then does not work anymore after i set the brake and try again!

Is there something wrong with my .INI? because I have no idea what i should do.

Leo

[Pete Dowson]

Just installed FSUIPC 3.943 to try out the BrakeRelease threshold.

Still no luck whatsoever with releasing the parking brake through the toe brakes.

Strange. works fine here.

This looks wrong though:

Reverser=-16380,16380/6

Mixture=-16380,16380

Rudder=-16380,-1430,1536,16380

LeftBrake=-16380,16380

RightBrake=-16380,16380

Those 16380 values are the default values. Are you sure you ever calibrated the reverser, mixture, rudder and toe brake axes? I suspect not. Just pressing "set" isn't calibration -- that's only the start. You do have to set decent minimum, maximum (and for some, centre pair) values -- normally reasonably far away from the physical extremes to be sure they can be reached. And it is obviously quite important to set a dead zone at the brakes off position too so you don't inadvertently brake when using the rudder.

Furthermore it looks like you've not reversed the brake axes, which is normally necessary for most toe brake arrangements, so they are off when released, on when pressed. Or have you arranged that some other way? If so, then I think what is likely happening in your case is that you never reach the 75% of brake pressure needed (simultaneously on both brakes) to activate the facility. You could of course check that theory by reducing the threshold, maybe by a lot!

because I have no idea what i should do.

Please find the FSUIPC User Guide, go to the section on joystick calibration, and follow the numbered steps you'll find to achieve correct calibration. It is simple enough. If you don't use FSUIPC to calibrate I really see no point in using FSUIPC for your assignments in the first place. ;-)

Pete

[calzoni92]

Hi again Pete!

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=0

RudderTrimControl=0

CowlFlaps1Control=0

CowlFlaps2Control=0

CowlFlaps3Control=0

CowlFlaps4Control=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Reverser=-16380,16380/6

Mixture=-16380,16380

Rudder=-16380,-1430,1536,16380

Throttle1=-13393,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle2=-13653,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle3=-13133,-512,512,16128/32

Throttle4=-13132,-512,512,16128/40

LeftBrake=-8576,14433/16

RightBrake=-8576,14433/16

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Yes the left/right brake values i posted were the default ones only because i had changed back to the default ones thinking it may have been the above ones (values i am currently trying!!! to use) that prevented the parkbrake release from working.

Reversers works just fine with the default values.

And regarding the 'reverse' for calibration I did that through my CH products manager. But I uninstalled that thinking it may be the cause of my parkbrake release not working. Also not the case.

So as you can see I have the above values currently in use (for brake left/right) but still my parkbrake will not go off regardless of how often i tap/move those toe brakes all the way through their entire movement range.

Also in the last topic you mentioned i should be able to calibrate under 'joystick calibration' regardless of if i choose "Send direct to FSUIPC" or "send to fs as normal axis" in the 'Axis Assignment' tab.

This is most certainly not the case for me, as when i chose "send to fs as normal axis" going to 'joystick calibration' and clicking SET for some reason then regardless of the pedal movement, no movement is shown. As in the the number stays at 0!!!

Very strange....

Do i need a .INI rebuild? I dont know what could be causing this!?!?!?

[Pete Dowson]

So as you can see I have the above values currently in use (for brake left/right) but still my parkbrake will not go off regardless of how often i tap/move those toe brakes all the way through their entire movement range.

Please go to the Logging tab, enable Axis event and Event logging (two check marks) on the left side. On the right side add offset 0C00 as type U8 and offset 0C01 as type U8, and check "normal log" below. Then set the parking brake, and press the toe brakes, together, as far as they'll go. Don't operate any other axis else the log will be too large. Show me the log (or ZIP it and send it to petedowson@btconnect.com.

All this threshold facility does is "tap" the "BRAKES" control (the same as the '.' key) when both brakes pass the threshold, and reset that facility when both brakes go back to "off" (0). Please test with a default aircraft in case there's special actions on an add-on.

Also in the last topic you mentioned i should be able to calibrate under 'joystick calibration' regardless of if i choose "Send direct to FSUIPC" or "send to fs as normal axis" in the 'Axis Assignment' tab.

This is most certainly not the case for me, as when i chose "send to fs as normal axis" going to 'joystick calibration' and clicking SET for some reason then regardless of the pedal movement, no movement is shown. As in the the number stays at 0!!!

That sounds as if you are not assigning the toes brakes to the correct FS controls. The "direct to FSUIPC calibration" is a relatively new facility. For 10 years now the calibration facilities have worked fine on the normal FS controls. Those facilities have never been withdrawn!

Regards

Pete

[calzoni92]

Very Strange thing going on now Pete!

When i Click modules and FSUIPC to open it up in FS9, and i turn on the logging as you requested. As soon as i close that, the parkbrake release works once and only once when i press the toe brakes. The only way to get it working again is to go back into the FSUIPC tab and closing it again!!!! As if FSUIPC is somehow not active when the window is closed again.

So in the log you might see 1 successful parkbrake release but the following dont work. (Sent to you as requested in a .zip)

Leo

[Pete Dowson]

So in the log you might see 1 successful parkbrake release but the following dont work. (Sent to you as requested in a .zip)

Actually, there's only one occasion in the log where it could have happened in any case, where the values of both toe brakes as shown in 0C00 and 0C01, passed 150 (assuming you still have the threshold set at the default 75%). Possibly there should have been one at the start, but since you started a new log (why?) I cannot tell -- the log does not show both toe brakes "off" to start with.

If it worked once, the last time you tried, just before you closed the file, it would be here:

302609 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 0

302609 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 0

------------------------------------------------------- both toe brakes fully off

303812 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 42

303812 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 44

303859 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 131

303859 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 112

303906 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 171

303906 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 155

-------------------------------------------------------- both toe brakes passed 75%

303968 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 200

303968 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 200

304890 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 163

304937 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 42

304937 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 111

304984 Monitor IPC:0C00 (U8) = 0

304984 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 42

305031 Monitor IPC:0C01 (U8) = 0

I assume both toe brakes are still assigned "direct to FSUIPC calibration"?

Since you only supplied a partial log (you pressed the "New Log" button, which I didn't want you to do -- that's why I was explicit about only touching two things on the left side of the Logging tab), I cannot tell what aircraft you are using in this example. Was it a default aircraft, and if so, which one please? I cannot reproduce the problem here so I need to try to get the same sort of setup as yours.

Please, when I ask for logging, just make the selections I request, do not press other buttons at random as it spoils the results.

Anyway, I clearly need more logging to see what is different on your system, so I'll work on that and get back to you.

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

Anyway, I clearly need more logging to see what is different on your system, so I'll work on that and get back to you.

I think i've found the problem. it relates to the debugging code which is active on my setup because of my development system.

Look out for version 3.944 in the Updates announcement later tonight ...

Regards

Pete

[calzoni92]

Hi Pete!

I will try the update as soon as its up and let you know.

I also sent you the full/correct log this time. (sorry about the wrong one before)

And thanks so much again for your great support :D

Leo

[calzoni92]

Server times out when clicking the 3.944 download link.

Will try again and report on the results tomorrow morning!

[calzoni92]

Again No Luck Pete!

Works the first time i start the simulator but no longer does after i set the brakes again!

I have sent you a log again.

Leo :)

[Pete Dowson]

Works the first time i start the simulator but no longer does after i set the brakes again!

I have sent you a log again.

I cannot work out why it isn't re-arming. The log doesn't help I'm afraid. I've emmailed you a request for another test.

Pete

[headley]

Well, i had the same problem, the brakes releasing only the first time using this new function.

But with this new version 3.945 it seems to be fixed, thanks Peter.

FS9.1 ; FSUIPC 3945 ; Win XP Pro SP3