FSUIPC Communicating with AS2012 on Network

[GAJ52]

Hi Peter

I'm having problems with Radar Contact not getting the correct destination ATIS Wx. I understand this can be caused by not using the latest versions of AS2012, FSUIPC and WideFS. All have been updated AS2012 SP1 build 4448, FSUIPC is ver 4.823 and WideFS 6.94.

I suspect the problem is FSUIPC not communicating properly with AS2012 over a network. I am running WideFS and both WideFS and FSX say 'connected'.

Is there any way I can confirm FSUIPC and AS2012 are communicating correctly ? I looked in the FSUIPC Log but couldn't see anything related to AS2012.

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

I'm having problems with Radar Contact not getting the correct destination ATIS Wx. I understand this can be caused by not using the latest versions of AS2012, FSUIPC and WideFS. All have been updated AS2012 SP1 build 4448, FSUIPC is ver 4.823 and WideFS 6.94.

All versions of AS2012 and all supported and recent versions of FSUIPC4 support AS2012 weather reading in DWC mode. If you are not using AS2012's DWC mode then it isn't relevant as ASwill be writing localised weather in any case.

I suspect the problem is FSUIPC not communicating properly with AS2012 over a network.

FSUIPC does not communicate with AS2012 over a network. You must have WideClient running on the same PC as AS2012 is AS2012 is not on the FSX PC. It is WideClient which sends the weather data to FSUIPC. the current version of Wideclient is 6.961 (see the Download Links subforum), but the facility works with WideClient 6.94 in any case.

Is there any way I can confirm FSUIPC and AS2012 are communicating correctly ? I looked in the FSUIPC Log but couldn't see anything related to AS2012.

You can see what weather is being requested and supplied if you enable Weather Logging. There is nothing directly realted to AS2012 -- all the facilities are labelled as if it were ASE, because it was originally incorporated for use with ASE, and didn't change for AS2012.

Regards

Pete

[GAJ52]

Thanks Pete

I was actually running WideClient on the AS2012 laptop, sorry wrong choice of words calling it WideFS and Network. Also I am using DWC mode, again apologies for not mentioning that.

I do have all the updates necessary for RC to get the correct destination ATIS and I have started WideClient of the non FSX PC but its still not working.

Only thing I can think of is I am using the PMDG 737NGX and FS2Crew which has caused other problems in Aivlasoft's EFB for example. I'll try another aircraft and not use FS2Crew and see if that makes any difference.

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

I do have all the updates necessary for RC to get the correct destination ATIS and I have started WideClient of the non FSX PC but its still not working.

Only thing I can think of is I am using the PMDG 737NGX and FS2Crew which has caused other problems in Aivlasoft's EFB for example. I'll try another aircraft and not use FS2Crew and see if that makes any difference.

Get a full FSUIPC4 log with Weather logging enabled, for a session which includes the request which RC will be making to get the weather for ATIS. It will be a large file, so ZIP it up and send it attached to an email to petedowson@btconnect.com. Mention your false name here else I won't be able to relate it.

Pete

[GAJ52]

OK, will do

Just tried it with the RealAir Turbine Duke same problem

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

Just tried it with the RealAir Turbine Duke same problem

It can't be anything to do with aircraft types.

I received the log and examined it, and I can't find any trace of RC ever asking for the weather for any specific location.

There are only three possibilities I can think of here:

1. Maybe the log doesn't include the period where you asked for the ATIS. is that possible? It starts at 19:14 on the 17th, and ends at 19:46, just 32 minutes later, and the whole thing seems to take place at or around EGKK -- at least that was still the nearest WX station 10 minutes before the end as well as at the start. At what point did you ask for Cardiff ATIS? And did you expect to get an ATIS for a station well out of ATIS transmission range? I'm not sure what RC does about that.

2. Maybe my normal "weather logging" doesn't include the RC weather requests. I'm not sure how that could arise -- it certainly always has here. I shall double-check this within the next couple of days or so. I'm sorry I can't do it immediately but my system, the one with AS2012 and RC, is out of action at present during a little rebuild.

3. Maybe RC isn't actually asking for the weather after all, and simply reading the weather which FSUIPC is reading and making available all the time. Why that should happen I don't know, but i should be able to find out when I embark upon resolving #2 one way or the other.

If you don't hear from me by the end of the week, add a reminder here.

Regards

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

Hi,

I've spent a few hours today puzzling over this problem. I couldn't reproduce it on either of my normal test configurations, i.e.

(a ) FSX + AS2012 on the Server, RC on the Client, or

(b ) RC + AS2012 on the Client , FSX on the Server.

But i could get it to happen reasonably consistently with this configuration:

(c ) RC on Client1, ASE on Client 2, FSX on Server.

There should be no difference between (b ) and (c ) because WideClient talks to FSUIPC on the Server about this stuff, not direct to the requesting program (RC). The only real difference here is timing. My Client 1 is quite a slow PC, whilst Client 2 is fast.

So, I looked for a cause of a timing problem -- one thread doing something to nullify the result of another. And I think i found one. I have it working consistently now in configuration ©.

So, please test it on your system for me. Download 4.824 test version FSUIPC4824_test . Use this with the weather logging still enabled and send me the zipped log if it still doesn't work. If it does work, try again without the weather logging (because logging changes times too).

The relevant log entries with weather logging enabled should be like this:

When RC asks for the weather you should find something like this in the Log:

   382983 Request received to decode ASE METAR ...
   382983 Weather Received (ASE Read): "???? 181236Z 06714KT&D457OG 02609KT&A914NG 05416KT&A1829OG 05715KT&A2743NG 05009KT&A3658NG 04309KT&A5486NG 04106KT&A7315NG 33113KT&A9144NG 32115KT&A10363NG 32815KT&A11887NG 33008KT&A13411NG 31108KT&A14935NG 55KM&B-2000&D4000 2CU021&CU000FNVN000N 7CU025&CU000FLVN000L 7CI270&CI000FNVN000N 08/04 03/M09&A914 M01/M13&A1829 M03/M15&A2743 M13/M25&A3658 M29/M41&A5486 M43/M55&A7315 M45/M57&A9144 M43/M55&A10363 M44/M56&A11887 M45/M57&A13411 M49/M61&A14935 Q0979"
   382983 WX Received (null), WX request type 3, Lat=53.3472, Lon=-2.2834[/CODE]

or, for an ICAO-specific request:

[CODE] 378053 Request received to decode ASE METAR ...
378053 Weather Received (ASE Read): "???? 181236Z 06714KT&D457OG 02609KT&A914NG 05416KT&A1829OG 05715KT&A2743NG 05009KT&A3658NG 04309KT&A5486NG 04106KT&A7315NG 33113KT&A9144NG 32115KT&A10363NG 32815KT&A11887NG 33008KT&A13411NG 31108KT&A14935NG 55KM&B-2000&D4000 2CU021&CU000FNVN000N 7CU025&CU000FLVN000L 7CI270&CI000FNVN000N 08/04 03/M09&A914 M01/M13&A1829 M03/M15&A2743 M13/M25&A3658 M29/M41&A5486 M43/M55&A7315 M45/M57&A9144 M43/M55&A10363 M44/M56&A11887 M45/M57&A13411 M49/M61&A14935 Q0979"
378053 WX Received (null), WX request type 3, ICAO=EGCC
[/CODE]

That's for ASE/AS2012 on a Client PC, not on the FSX PC. If it is on the FSX PC the logging is slightly different. For example, for a Lat/Lon interpolated weather request:

[CODE] 1125454 Weather requested from ASE for Lat 53.7716, Lon -3.0286
1125672 WX Received, WX request type 3, Lat=53.7716, Lon=-3.0286
1125672 Weather received from ASE: "???? 180831Z 06013KT&D457OG 07523KT&A914MG 06821KT&A1829NG 06620KT&A2743MG 06310KT&A3658NG 05103KT&A5486NG 20202KT&A7315NG 33613KT&A9144NG 33212KT&A10363NG 32413KT&A11887NG 33311KT&A13411NG 34906KT&A14935NG 46KM&B-2000&D4000 3CU019&CU000FNVN000N 2CI260&CI000FNVN000N 07/04 05/M07&A914 M01/M13&A1829 M04/M16&A2743 M15/M27&A3658 M30/M42&A5486 M43/M55&A7315 M45/M57&A9144 M43/M55&A10363 M43/M55&A11887 M44/M56&A13411 M50/M62&A14935 Q0981"[/CODE]

The difference arises from the different sources -- the former case is derived from WideServer's posting into FSUIPC, the latter is with FSUIPC reading direct from ASE/AS2012.

Good luck!

Regards

Pete

[GAJ52]

Hi Pete

2nd log on its way, the new test FSUIPC file didn't work, more info in the email.

In this log I did request the EGFF ATIS 3 times via RC, each time it gave the EGFF ATIS but only local ambient wx at altitude not the METAR.

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

2nd log on its way, the new test FSUIPC file didn't work, more info in the email.

Hmm. Strange. I know your RC is running on the Server, but where it's at shouldn't make any difference at all. And your problem is nothing like the one i managed, with difficulty, to reproduce here. In my case RC was defintely making the weather requests but getting the wrong data. In your case there is absolutely no sign in the log of it ever making any specific requests whatsoever.

Looking back at your first log it was the same, which was why one of the questions i posed then was whether the log was actually the one covering the period in which you asked for ATIS.

Could you test again, please, but this time add these lines to the FSUIPC4.INI before loading FSX: They go in the [General] section:

Debug=Please

TestOptions=x2000

LogExtras=32

And on the AS2012 PC, in the Wideclient.INI, please change the Log= option in the [user] section to Log=ASE.

Also, before starting RC, in the Logging tab, add these to the Monitor section on the right:

offset 0371, type U8, hex

offset CC04, type U32

offset CC08, type FLT64

offset CC10, type FLT64

Check "Normal Log" below., and OK out. Those offsets, the CCxx ones, are the ones used to request weather, so if those don't show the correct changes then it is definitely RC you need to look at. Can you tel me the actual RC build number, please. I assume it is version 4, but what is the number shown on its initial window?

The log will be even bigger, so please ZIP it again. And include the WideClient.Log file from the Client PC.

Thanks,

Pete

[GAJ52]

Pete

I will carry out the test as you instructed.

Do I need to delete the last FSUIPC Log or does the program create a new one every time I start FSX ?

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

Do I need to delete the last FSUIPC Log or does the program create a new one every time I start FSX ?

It creates a new one, as does WideClient. WideClient saves one previous one (adding a '0' to the name), but not a stack.

Pete

[GAJ52]

Hi Pete

New log on its way

Glen

[GAJ52]

SUCCESS :)

You got me thinking Pete when you said it was an old installation and you were 100% right, I hadn't touched any RC files for years.

I remember a few years ago on the RC forum someone recommending copying the FS9 folder for FSX and redirecting the program to the main FSX installation folder. This seemed to work ok until DWC came along, but by that time I was using Vatsim and not RC, thats why the problem has only just arisen for me as I thought I would give RC another go.

I un-installed the old program and reinstalled version 4.3 3845 just received from JD, all now works with correct ATIS.

Sorry for giving you a few head scratching moments there Peter, your great support finally got this annoying problem fixed.

Many thanks and best regards

Glen

[Pete Dowson]

I un-installed the old program and reinstalled version 4.3 3845 just received from JD, all now works with correct ATIS.

Good! That's a really big relief! ;-)

Regards

Pete