Ailerons not being picked up

[aceridgey]

Hi there Pete and gentlemen.

 

Been a register FSUIPC user for years and this is the first support query (says a lot about how good the product is).

 

My issue is that suddenly without changing a setting, the ailerons are not being picked up in the simulator. 

 

In Axis assignment the X axis is still being picked up and assigned ot alerions, but that is just not materialising in the sim.

 

 

Looking forward for your response,

 

Alex

[Pete Dowson]

My issue is that suddenly without changing a setting, the ailerons are not being picked up in the simulator. 

 

In Axis assignment the X axis is still being picked up and assigned ot alerions, but that is just not materialising in the sim.

 

More information needed I'm afraid. How is it assigned -- i.e. which mode of assignment and which control? Is it calibrated in FSUIPC or not? Is this with FS9 or some older version, or FSX or P3D? What actual version of FSUIPC?

 

If you don't know any of these things, maybe you can paste in your FSUIPC INI file from the FS Modules folder? That would fill in many of the answers.

 

Additional, however, is whether it is the same with default aircraft as well as whatever add-ons you are using.

 

Finally, you could, for yourself, try some of the logging facilities to see what is going on -- axis logging, for example. See the Logging tab in FSUIPC's options menu.

 

Regards

Pete

[aceridgey]

More information needed I'm afraid. How is it assigned -- i.e. which mode of assignment and which control? Is it calibrated in FSUIPC or not? Is this with FS9 or some older version, or FSX or P3D? What actual version of FSUIPC?

 

If you don't know any of these things, maybe you can paste in your FSUIPC INI file from the FS Modules folder? That would fill in many of the answers.

 

Additional, however, is whether it is the same with default aircraft as well as whatever add-ons you are using.

 

Finally, you could, for yourself, try some of the logging facilities to see what is going on -- axis logging, for example. See the Logging tab in FSUIPC's options menu.

 

Regards

Pete

 

Apologies for the lack of information.

 

It is assigned through the FSUIPC Axis assignment and exported through fsuipc settings (giving more limited options for alerions elevators etc. rather than the full list).

 

It is calibrated through FSUIPC.

 

FSX

 

 

 

Here is the log..

 

 

P.s Elevators, rudders and buttons working fine.

 

[General]

UpdatedByVersion=4920

History=3EVK1ANA9V4G8VZUK60L7

InitDelayDevicesToo=No

UseSystemTime=No

UseMidMouseBtn=Yes

MouseWheelMove=No

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

JoystickTimeout=20

PollGFTQ6=Yes

BlankDisplays=No

FixControlAccel=No

FixMachSpeedBug=No

DeleteVehiclesForAES=Yes

AutoScanDevices=Yes

VisibilityOptions=No

OneCloudLayer=No

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

GenerateCirrus=No

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

MaxIce=-4

MinIce=-4

UpperWindGusts=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SuppressWindVariance=No

WindTurbulence=No

TurbulenceRate=1.0,5.0

TurbulenceDivisor=20,20,40,40

SuppressAllGusts=No

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

SmoothBySimTime=No

WindSmoothing=No

WindSmoothness=2

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=Yes

PressureSmoothness=0

TemperatureSmoothness=0

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

WhiteMessages=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

MagicBattery=No

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

ClockSync=No

ClockSyncMins=2

ClearWeatherDynamics=No

OwnWeatherChanges=No

TimeForSelect=4

LoadFlightMenu=No

LoadPlanMenu=No

PauseAfterCrash=No

BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

SaveDataWithFlights=No

ZapSound=firework

ShortAircraftNameOk=Substring

UseProfiles=Yes

EnableMouseLook=No

AxesWrongRange=No

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

AxisCalibration=No

DirectAxesToCalibs=No

ShowMultilineWindow=Yes

SuppressSingleline=No

SuppressMultilineFS=No

AxisIntercepts=No

DontResetAxes=No

InitDelay=0

GetNearestAirports=Yes

OOMcheck=Yes

WeatherReadFactor=2

WeatherRewriteSeconds=1

CustomWeatherModify=No

SimConnectStallTime=1

LuaRerunDelay=66

Console=No

FSVersionUsed="Microsoft Flight Simulator X",10.0.61637.0

SimConnectUsed=10.0.61259.0

 

[JoyNames]

AutoAssignLetters=No

1=Saitek X52 Pro Flight Control System

1.GUID={97D76E00-1A0A-11E3-8007-444553540000}

 

[buttons]

ButtonRepeat=20,10

1=P0,1,K77,11

2=P1,1,K77,11

3=R1,21,C65615,0

4=R1,19,C65607,0

5=P1,2,C65758,0

6=P1,3,C65759,0

7=R1,0,C65588,0

8=P1,5,C65853,0

9=P1,7,C65570,0

10=R1,26,C65602,0

11=P1,24,K82,9

12=P1,6,K71,11

 

[AutoSave]

Next=1

Interval=60

Files=10

SaveOnGround=No

AutoSaveEnabled=No

 

[GPSout]

GPSoutEnabled=No

 

[GPSout2]

GPSoutEnabled=No

 

[WideServer]

WideFSenabled=Yes

 

[sounds]

Path=D:\Microsoft Flight Simulator X\Sound\

Device1=Primary Sound Driver

Device2=Speakers (ASUS Xonar Xense Audio Device)

Device3=Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)

Device4=S/PDIF Pass-through Device (ASUS Xonar Xense Audio Device)

Device5=Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device)

 

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle=-16380,16380

Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

 

[Axes]

0=1Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

1=1V,256,D,22,0,0,0

2=1S,256,D,25,0,0,0

 

[Keys]

2=32,8,1127,0,1128,0

[Pete Dowson]

It is assigned through the FSUIPC Axis assignment and exported through fsuipc settings (giving more limited options for alerions elevators etc. rather than the full list).

It is calibrated through FSUIPC.

 

Yes, I assumed you were using FSUIPC's axis assignment from your original message, but there are several ways of assigning everything there and different controls you can use.  Hence my question.

 

Here is the log..

 

That's the INI file, with your settings. did you try logging, as I suggested?

 

First off, your FSUIPC is out of date. Version 4.920 is no longer supported.. You need to update.

 

Second, you have very little actually assigned in FSUIPC: the only axes you have assigned are listed in your INI file:

 

[Axes]

0=1Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

1=1V,256,D,22,0,0,0

2=1S,256,D,25,0,0,0

 

These are, respectively, Throttle, Spoilers and all-engine Reverser. All are assigned "Direct to FSUIPC calibration", but these are your calibrations:

 

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle=-16380,16380

Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

 

which include only "Throttle", making the other two assignments pretty useless. Furthermore, these calibration values are the default values set by FSUIPC ready for you to adjust to suit your particular controls. It seems you've not yet actually processed througfh the necessary and documented steps to proper calibration.

 

If, as you say, your elevators and rudders are working then you evidently must have these assigned in FSX, not in FSUIPC. The default FSUIPC calibration values will still apply, of course, but not being true calibrations they may not be having the best results. Really you are in danger of having conflciting assignments because assignments in FSX will conflict with any similar ones in FSUIPC. You should choose one or the other. You can still calibrate in FSUIPC either way, but there is little point if you simply leave the calibration values to default.

 

Maybe you deleted some earlier INI file and are left with some later changes, forgetting you'd deleted everything beforehand? Otherwise i cannot imagine how you've had successful use of these facilities in FSUIPC before now.

 

Regards

Pete

[aceridgey]

 

Yes, I assumed you were using FSUIPC's axis assignment from your original message, but there are several ways of assigning everything there and different controls you can use.  Hence my question.

 

 

That's the INI file, with your settings. did you try logging, as I suggested?

 

First off, your FSUIPC is out of date. Version 4.920 is no longer supported.. You need to update.

 

Second, you have very little actually assigned in FSUIPC: the only axes you have assigned are listed in your INI file:

 

[Axes]

0=1Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

1=1V,256,D,22,0,0,0

2=1S,256,D,25,0,0,0

 

These are, respectively, Throttle, Spoilers and all-engine Reverser. All are assigned "Direct to FSUIPC calibration", but these are your calibrations:

 

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle=-16380,16380

Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

 

which include only "Throttle", making the other two assignments pretty useless. Furthermore, these calibration values are the default values set by FSUIPC ready for you to adjust to suit your particular controls. It seems you've not yet actually processed througfh the necessary and documented steps to proper calibration.

 

If, as you say, your elevators and rudders are working then you evidently must have these assigned in FSX, not in FSUIPC. The default FSUIPC calibration values will still apply, of course, but not being true calibrations they may not be having the best results. Really you are in danger of having conflciting assignments because assignments in FSX will conflict with any similar ones in FSUIPC. You should choose one or the other. You can still calibrate in FSUIPC either way, but there is little point if you simply leave the calibration values to default.

 

Maybe you deleted some earlier INI file and are left with some later changes, forgetting you'd deleted everything beforehand? Otherwise i cannot imagine how you've had successful use of these facilities in FSUIPC before now.

 

Regards

Pete

 

 

Hi Pete,

 

What I will do, is install the latest once again, and consult the manual to properly set up the axis.

 

I have all the buttons assigned through FSUIPC (gear flaps etc etc), If I just install the new version will these controls still stand?

 

Alex

 

 

edit:

 

p.s,

 

Pete, I just realised that I disabled the axis in fsuipc and enabled the default assignments through fsx, just so I could continue my flight, hense why they are not showing in there.

 

My usual calibration is 

 

> Axis Assignment > Move joystick to positive elevator >>  Send Direct to FSUIPC Calibration >> Elevator 

 

Alex

[aceridgey]

Updated settings 

 

(Working now with reinstall of latest version)

 

 

[JoystickCalibration]

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes

ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes

ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=66731

RudderTrimControl=66732

CowlFlaps1Control=66162

CowlFlaps2Control=66163

CowlFlaps3Control=66164

CowlFlaps4Control=66165

SteeringTillerControl=0

MaxSteerSpeed=60

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle=-16380,16380

Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

SlopeAileron=3

SlopeElevator=3

 

[Axes]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=1Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

3=1R,256,D,3,0,0,0

4=1V,256,D,22,0,0,0

5=1S,256,D,25,0,0,0

[Pete Dowson]

 

Updated settings 

 

(Working now with reinstall of latest version)

 

[Axes]

RangeRepeatRate=10

0=1X,256,D,1,0,0,0

1=1Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

2=1Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

3=1R,256,D,3,0,0,0

4=1V,256,D,22,0,0,0

5=1S,256,D,25,0,0,0

 

 

Okay. that was quick! However, I notice you are still only using default calibrations:

 

Elevator=-16380,-512,512,16380

Rudder=-16380,-512,512,16380

Throttle=-16380,16380

Aileron=-16380,-512,512,16380

 

Have you not tried doing proper calibration, following the steps in the user guide?

 

Also you still have the spoilers and a reverser assigned "direct to calibration", but with no actual calibration set.

 

Pete

[aceridgey]

Spoilers are set to an axis on my throttle ont he x52. I will do a proper calibration but to be honest, they are not too far off the default.

 

Reverser I tried setting it to an axis on the throttle, now it's just a button with repeat if hold.

 

 

I'll get back to you on that,

 

p.s the default FSX controls allowed one to pan in spot view by holding the space bar and then moving the mouse. Is it this possible to set up through FSUIPC?

 

Alex

[Pete Dowson]

Spoilers are set to an axis on my throttle ont he x52. I will do a proper calibration but to be honest, they are not too far off the default.

 

I'll get back to you on that,

 

p.s the default FSX controls allowed one to pan in spot view by holding the space bar and then moving the mouse. Is it this possible to set up through FSUIPC?

 

Alex

 

Well, it's lucky that through an oversight some of the axes assigned "direct to calibration" are let through even if calibration has not been set. That doesn't happen on all axes, and didn't used to happen on FS9. I haven't fixed it for fear of messing installations up like yours where althoguh you assigned "to calibration" you never actually went to the calibration page and enabled it.

 

Reverser I tried setting it to an axis on the throttle, now it's just a button with repeat if hold.

 

Best to delete the [Axes] line for that if you are not using it, or it could interfere. It's the one to D,25.

 

p.s the default FSX controls allowed one to pan in spot view by holding the space bar and then moving the mouse. Is it this possible to set up through FSUIPC?

 

Yes, of course. You've not read much of the supplied documentation, then? Miscellaneous page: there are mouse move, mouse look and mouse trim options. Yours is mouse look, and you can do it with the middle mouse button held down, much better than the space bar. It applies to all views as far as I know, at least in virtual cockpit mode.

 

Regards

Pete

[aceridgey]

Well, it's lucky that through an oversight some of the axes assigned "direct to calibration" are let through even if calibration has not been set. That doesn't happen on all axes, and didn't used to happen on FS9. I haven't fixed it for fear of messing installations up like yours where althoguh you assigned "to calibration" you never actually went to the calibration page and enabled it.

 

 

Best to delete the [Axes] line for that if you are not using it, or it could interfere. It's the one to D,25.

 

 

Yes, of course. You've not read much of the supplied documentation, then? Miscellaneous page: there are mouse move, mouse look and mouse trim options. Yours is mouse look, and you can do it with the middle mouse button held down, much better than the space bar. It applies to all views as far as I know, at least in virtual cockpit mode.

 

Regards

Pete

 

I also use EZDOK which goes on the basis of a middle mouse button. I assume it will be ok for space bar too? Is it called 'Mouse Move'?

 

Thanks again Pete, you're a superstar of the fs world! 

 

Cheers once again

[Pete Dowson]

I also use EZDOK which goes on the basis of a middle mouse button. I assume it will be ok for space bar too? Is it called 'Mouse Move'?

 

It is "mouse look". For space bar use you should assign it in the Key press assignments. Assign key press to mouse move on and release to mouse move off. you can assign to any key or button. The mousewheel operates the zoom too.

 

Mouse move moves the eyepoint in the cockpit, left right, forward, backward.

 

BTW if you use EZDOK, why bother with these other facilities anyway? It does what you want too, surely?

 

Pete

[aceridgey]

Cheers Pete,

 

I will look into it,

 

Alex