MakeRunways does not accept short runways

[FlyingAxx]

Hi Pete,

Today I've tried including some short runways (e.g. FSSR having a bit less than 1500 ft) into the findings of MakeRwys 4.8.6.3 by using the "/>n" parameter (MakeRwys.exe />1400) but failed as I didn't get any related output (of course the airport appeared in runways.txt). I've tried as well "/1400", "/>0", and "/0" instead. The respective airport is listed, but without runways.

I'm still on FSXA, the airport has been tweaked a bit with ADE - as a couple of hundreds before) and has everything needed (e.g. Start positions). Unfortunately I have no comparison as I never tried out this parameter before.

What can I do?

Regards,
Axel

[Pete Dowson]

1 hour ago, FlyingAxx said:

Today I've tried including some short runways (e.g. FSSR having a bit less than 1500 ft)

Results on default scenery:

FSSR,0140,-5.114945,53.295757,10,140.000,1568,0,75,-4.200,-5.116487,53.297264,0,,
FSSR,0320,-5.118028,53.298771,10,320.000,1568,0,75,-4.200,-5.116487,53.297264,0,,

1568?

Results with />0 parameter: 24768 airports, 62536 runways
Results normally:  24768 airports, 58938 runways.

So, only 3,598 extra runways as a rresult of that parameter.

1 hour ago, FlyingAxx said:

The respective airport is listed, but without runways.

The "runways.txt" includes runways if they are there no matter what parameters you use. That file is a complete log of the entire decoding. The parameters only affect the result files, not the Log file!

Here's a log example of an airfield with a VERY short runway:

Airport MT62 :N47:04:41.2116  W114:26:11.7920  3197ft
          Country Name="United States"
          State Name="Montana"
          City Name="Huson"
          Airport Name="Ted Luark Private"
          in file: Scenery\0201\scenery\APX17150.bgl

          Runway 16 /34  centre: N47:04:41.2116  W114:26:11.7920  3197ft
              Start 16 : N47:04:43.5764  W114:26:11.9143  3197ft Hdg: 178.0T, Length 500ft 
              Start 34 : N47:04:38.8144  W114:26:11.6698  3197ft Hdg: 358.0T, Length 500ft 
              Hdg: 178.000 true (MagVar 18.000), Dirt, 500 x 80 ft
          FSM A/P MT62, lat=47.078117, long=-114.436607, alt=3197

The runways are listed, but they are not included in the resulting files normally.  When they are, the Log contains additional lines, thus:

Airport MT52 :N47:04:39.7214  W114:24:45.4340  3363ft
          Country Name="United States"
          State Name="Montana"
          City Name="Huson"
          Airport Name="Nine Mile"
          in file: Scenery\0201\scenery\APX17150.bgl

          Runway 16 /34  centre: N47:04:39.7214  W114:24:45.4340  3363ft
              Start 16 : N47:04:52.2904  W114:24:46.0795  3363ft Hdg: 178.0T, Length 2640ft 
              Computed start 16 : Lat 47.081322 Long -114.412806
              Start 34 : N47:04:27.1200  W114:24:44.7886  3363ft Hdg: 358.0T, Length 2640ft 
              Computed start 34 : Lat 47.074081 Long -114.412435
              Hdg: 178.000 true (MagVar 18.000), Grass, 2640 x 100 ft
              *** Runway *** MT520160 Lat 47.081322 Long -114.412804 Alt 3363 Hdg 160 Len 2640 Wid 100
              *** Runway *** MT520340 Lat 47.074081 Long -114.412437 Alt 3363 Hdg 340 Len 2640 Wid 100
          FSM A/P MT52, lat=47.077702, long=-114.412621, alt=3363

So, your ADE-modified airfield has an error.

Pete

 

[FlyingAxx]

Hi Pete,

Your example MT62 (unmodified) does not appear in my R5.csv , even after running "MakeRwys.exe />100". It seems that I could write what I want after the slash ("/>"). I always get the same total amount of runways, despite what I'm writing behind "/>" (a <space> does it as well) - except when using the other allowed parameters "/Water" or "/WaterOnly". There is even only an error message when using the slash alone.

Your conclusion, that the AFCAD has an error might be wrong. I only produced it to fit to a corrected island contour. That's why the runway is shorter than the default one. There are other things going on obviously. The sample file(s) are included.

If you want I could make screenies of the batch runs and the related results.

Regards,
Axel

FSSR_AB.zip

[Pete Dowson]

 

41 minutes ago, FlyingAxx said:

Your example MT62 (unmodified) does not appear in my R5.csv , even after running "MakeRwys.exe />100". It seems that I could write what I want after the slash ("/>"). I always get the same total amount of runways, despite what I'm writing behind "/>" (a <space> does it as well) - except when using the other allowed parameters "/Water" or "/WaterOnly". There is even only an error message when using the slash alone.

What version of MakeRunways are you using? If it is not 4.863 please update!!! There have been assorted changes to the command line facilities.

41 minutes ago, FlyingAxx said:

Your conclusion, that the AFCAD has an error might be wrong.

Yes,  I think your problems must be due to an old MakeRunways program. Here's what I get for your file (using />1400):

=============================================================================
TestScenery\Scenery\FSSR_ADEX_AB.bgl
=============================================================================

Airport FSSR :S05:07:01.8785  E053:18:44.1328  10ft
          Country Name="Seychelles"
          State Name=""
          City Name="Remire"
          Airport Name="Remire Island"
          in file: TestScenery\Scenery\FSSR_ADEX_AB.bgl

          Runway 14 /32  centre: S05:07:01.6194  E053:18:43.9077  10ft
              Start 14 : S05:06:56.8574  E053:18:39.5673  10ft Hdg: 135.8T, Length 1411ft 
              Computed start 14 : Lat -5.115678 Long 53.310895
              Start 32 : S05:07:06.7053  E053:18:48.5069  10ft Hdg: 315.8T, Length 1411ft 
              Computed start 32 : Lat -5.118555 Long 53.313495
              Hdg: 138.000 true (MagVar -4.200), UNKNOWN 128, 1411 x 43 ft
              *** Runway *** FSSR0140 Lat -5.115678 Long 53.310894 Alt 10 Hdg 142 Len 1411 Wid 43
              *** Runway *** FSSR0320 Lat -5.118555 Long 53.313496 Alt 10 Hdg 322 Len 1411 Wid 43
          COM: Type=6 (TOWER), Freq=118.30, Name="SEYCHELLES"
          Taxipoint #0, type 1 (normal):  S05:06:56.4687  E053:18:39.2454  -- Forward
          Taxipoint #1, type 1 (normal):  S05:07:06.8025  E053:18:48.5682  -- Forward
          Taxipoint #2, type 1 (normal):  S05:07:04.0489  E053:18:46.0818  -- Forward
          Taxipoint #3, type 1 (normal):  S05:07:03.9194  E053:18:46.2411  -- Forward
          Taxipoint #4, type 1 (normal):  S05:07:03.4658  E053:18:45.5555  -- Forward
          Taxipoint #5, type 1 (normal):  S05:07:03.3363  E053:18:45.6971  -- Forward
          Parking Park1 [#G0]:  S05:07:03.2715  E053:18:46.9653
              Type 1 (GA Ramp), Size 12.0m, Hdg 49.1T
          Parking Park2 [#G1]:  S05:07:02.6884  E053:18:46.4391
              Type 1 (GA Ramp), Size 12.0m, Hdg 49.7T
          Taxipath (Runway 14):  Type 2 (Runway), Start#=2, End#=1, Wid=13.00m
          Taxipath (Name #0):  Type 4 (Path), Start#=2, End#=3, Wid=14.00m
          Taxipath (Name #0):  Type 3 (Parking), Start#=3, End#=G0, Wid=14.00m
          Taxipath (Runway 14):  Type 2 (Runway), Start#=0, End#=4, Wid=13.00m
          Taxipath (Runway 14):  Type 2 (Runway), Start#=4, End#=2, Wid=13.00m
          Taxipath (Name #0):  Type 4 (Path), Start#=4, End#=5, Wid=24.38m
          Taxipath (Name #0):  Type 3 (Parking), Start#=5, End#=G1, Wid=24.38m
          Taxiname:  #0 = 
        TaxiWay : 2-3-G0
        TaxiWay : 4-5-G1
          FSM A/P FSSR, lat=-5.117203, long=53.312260, alt=10

Note the *** Runway *** lines. And here's the results in  Runways.csv, for example:

FSSR,0140,-5.115678,53.310894,10,142,1411,0
FSSR,0320,-5.118555,53.313496,10,322,1411,0
 

Please ALWAYS make sure you are using current versions of programs before reporting problems.

Thanks,
Pete

 

[FlyingAxx]

Hi Pete,

As I wrote in my first post, I'm up to date. It's version MakeRwys 4.8.6.3.

I'm using as OS Win10 Pro (latest version and patched), no external anti-virus (just the Defender) and I'm logged in with admin rightsin order to fly. My FS10 is installed on drive d:.

I have no clue where to look at. BTW, I found out something other beg´havin strange. When starting MakeRwys from a batch file (with @echo on) the shell windows comes with a string looking like this: "MakeRwys.exe / 1 > 1200" even if the batch calls "MakeRwys.exe />1200".

However, all my tests are done by using the shell only. Furthermore I'd just been able reproducing the behaviour on a different FS-PC.

Regards,
Axel

[Pete Dowson]

I don ‘t know about batch files, but I don’t think you should include the parameter in the “”.

Try the easier way. Make a shorttcut and add the parameter in its Properties . That’s what I always do.

Pete

 

[FlyingAxx]

Good idea, however it should work under CMD as well. While your answer popped up I've made a screenshot:

Here you can find the command line as well as the results in runways.xml. r5.csv doesn't show any sign of FSSR. Actually I didn't put it in quotes and above I wrote it just for better identifying the strings.

😵 Well, strange enough, your hint worked!  For me a bit surprisingly, as I ever thought that this command line would act equal to a direct shell input. It's another Windows secret for me (probably someone can try to clarify the difference...).

However, I can now do what I wanted, thanks Pete.

Regards,
Axel