make runways 5.11

[CageyPanda]

I am using make runways 5.11 for Pilot2ATC and MSFS2020

I seem to have run into a problem importing taxi routes into p2a for KATL. I took a look in the t5 file and found that none of the taxiways have a letter designator  attached to any of the 1716 taxiways. Is this a problem with mak runways or with msfs?

James

[Pete Dowson]

9 hours ago, CageyPanda said:

I seem to have run into a problem importing taxi routes into p2a for KATL. I took a look in the t5 file and found that none of the taxiways have a letter designator  attached to any of the 1716 taxiways. Is this a problem with mak runways or with msfs?

Neither, assuming you are using the default KATL. The T5.CSV file shows many of the taxiways with names, varying from simple letters to longer ones like SG12, SG14, SG16. See small extract below (lines 113516 to 11352 in my T5.csv.

Mind you, this is with the previous version of MSFS.  I'll run MakeRwys again with the latest, to see if Asobo have messed it up.

Pete

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[Pete Dowson]

Yes, it seems that Asobo/Microsoft have made some change in the KATL taxiways details in the recent World Update 3.

We are finding that with each MSFS update you get as many steps backwards as you do forwards. It really does make add-on development very difficult. In this case, the data seems to be there okay (according to the Log ("Runways.txt"), but for some reason it is not being used in the T5 file.

I'll take a look, find out what is going on ...

Pete

 

[Pete Dowson]

I've investigated this, and have found that the base scenery version of KATL, the one in the fs-base\scenery folder "APX25200.bgl" still has the taxiway names, but that is overridden by the one in the file "microsoft-airport-katl-atlanta\scenery\Microsoft\Atlanta\KATL-Airport.bgl" -- which includes no taxiway names at all!

I think you will be able to see that for yourself if you (temporarily) rename the .bgl to .bgloff.

I don't see a way of getting around this in MakeRwys. It needs to be fixed at source, by Asobo. Or maybe some scenery add-on maker will produce a better KATL?

... Just found one:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/katl-atlanta-airport-released-in-the-marketplace/316646

Pete