Key conflict

[barona]

When I fly with PMDG 737 or 777 the gear keeps going down, A/P disengages, spoilers arm without operating any keys during flight. I'm constantly resetting the controls. When I checked for key conflicts I found any key programmed with Elevator trim Dn will disengage the autopilot only with NGX. I am using a Saitek yoke. I realize I was not using the most updated version, so I updated to the latest but same thing.  I removed the config file  to start over the programming.

I programmed the autopilot on the Saitek yoke with the key command in the NGX. I then programmed a button on the yoke to the Elevator trim Dn. Everytime I operate this key it disengages the autopilot. Any key with the Elevator trim Dn operates the autopilot. When I clear the trim key  programming its fine. I have not programmed anything else until I figure this out. I checked all the key commands in the FMC but nothing. Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

[Pete Dowson]

Any ideas what I am doing wrong?

 

No, not without some information.

 

Are you only assigning in FSUIPC? Have you disabled controllers in FSX?

 

Are you assigning buttons to keypresses, instead of buttons to controls? Why? If you assign to keypresses you are relying on something else converting them to controls. Why do that?

 

FSUIPC provides logging facilities. If you enable Event logging (one check mark on the logging tab in the Settings), then the log (FSUIPC4.LOG) in the Modules folder will show the results of your button or key pressing. If you (temporarily) run FS in Windowed mode, you could also enable the Console Log on the Logging Tab, and see what happens in real time on screen.

 

If you can't figure it out, show me the Log file and also your settings file (FSUIPC4.INI, also in the Modules folder). You can paste them into a reply here.

 

Pete

[barona]

Not at home now and will try the logging later and perhaps send if I cant figure it out. To answer your questions I have disabled controllers in P3Dv3.2. I have been assigning buttons to keypresses for years now, no issues. Only autopilot, auto throttle and TO/GO are assigned to keypresses. PMDG has key commands and I have assigned those 3 to the key commands in the FMC. 

[barona]

Cant figure this out. Hope you can

 

 

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     1781 System time = 10/05/2016 18:55:32
     1781 FLT path = "C:\Users\P3D\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\"
     1781 ------ Module Version Check ------
     1781        acontain.dll: 3.2.3.16769
     1781             api.dll: 3.2.3.16769
     1781        controls.dll: 3.2.3.16769
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     1781             G3D.dll: 3.2.3.16769
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     1781 Trying C:\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Modules\SimConnectP3D3.dll
     1781 Found it: trying to connect
     1797 FS path = "C:\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\"
     2094 ---------------------- Joystick Device Scan -----------------------
     2094 Product= Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
     2094    Manufacturer= Saitek
     2094    Vendor=06A3, Product=0763 (Version 1.0)
     2094    Serial Number= Saitek
     2094 Product= Saitek Pro Flight Yoke
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     2109 --- CONTROLS timer memory location obtained ok
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     2109 --- FS Controls Table located ok
     2109 --- Installed Mouse Macro hooks ok.
     2109 --- Wind smoothing fix is installed
     2109 --- All links okay (except older global weather setting method)
     2109 -------------------------------------------------------------------
     2109 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay
     2109 Trying to use SimConnect Prepar3D
     9109 Running in "Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3", Version: 3.2.3.2 (SimConnect: 3.2.0.0)
     9109 Initialising SimConnect data requests now
     9109 FSUIPC Menu entry added
     9141 C:\Users\P3D\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D_Default.fxml
     9141 C:\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Raptor Driver\Raptor.air
     9797 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    13375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    17375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    21375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    25375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    28406 Weather Mode now = Theme
    29344 C:\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG 737-700NGX WL\B737-700WL.air
    29344 C:\Users\P3D\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\IFR Southampton Intl to Kastrup.pln
    29344 C:\Users\P3D\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\EGHIEKCH.fxml
    29359 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66508 (0x000103cc), Param= 1000 (0x000003e8) PANEL_ID_CLOSE
    29375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    33375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    37375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    41375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    45047 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66507 (0x000103cb), Param= 1000 (0x000003e8) PANEL_ID_OPEN
    45047 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66507 (0x000103cb), Param= 1000 (0x000003e8) PANEL_ID_OPEN
    45391 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    46562 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66851 (0x00010523), Param= 0 (0x00000000) VIEW_CAMERA_SELECT_1
    46562 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65701 (0x000100a5), Param= 58 (0x0000003a) VIEW_ZOOM_SET
    46687 System time = 10/05/2016 18:56:17, Simulator time = 09:30:45 (09:30Z)
    46687 Aircraft="Boeing 737-7Z9NGX Austrian Airlines Winglets"
    46687 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66507 (0x000103cb), Param= 1000 (0x000003e8) PANEL_ID_OPEN
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65956 (0x000101a4), Param= 1 (0x00000001) FUEL_SELECTOR_ALL
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65962 (0x000101aa), Param= 1 (0x00000001) FUEL_SELECTOR_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66517 (0x000103d5), Param= 1 (0x00000001) FUEL_SELECTOR_2_ALL
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66523 (0x000103db), Param= 1 (0x00000001) FUEL_SELECTOR_2_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66463 (0x0001039f), Param= 0 (0x00000000) COM1_TRANSMIT_SELECT
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66466 (0x000103a2), Param= 0 (0x00000000) COM_RECEIVE_ALL_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65716 (0x000100b4), Param= 0 (0x00000000) VOR1_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65717 (0x000100b5), Param= 0 (0x00000000) VOR2_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66466 (0x000103a2), Param= 0 (0x00000000) COM_RECEIVE_ALL_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66463 (0x0001039f), Param= 0 (0x00000000) COM1_TRANSMIT_SELECT
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65707 (0x000100ab), Param= 6215 (0x00001847) COM_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66371 (0x00010343), Param= 10277 (0x00002825) COM_STBY_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66442 (0x0001038a), Param= 10112 (0x00002780) COM2_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66443 (0x0001038b), Param= 10128 (0x00002790) COM2_STBY_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65708 (0x000100ac), Param= 4976 (0x00001370) NAV1_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66447 (0x0001038f), Param= 5920 (0x00001720) NAV1_STBY_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65709 (0x000100ad), Param= 4192 (0x00001060) NAV2_RADIO_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66451 (0x00010393), Param= 5760 (0x00001680) NAV2_STBY_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65714 (0x000100b2), Param= 644 (0x00000284) ADF_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65715 (0x000100b3), Param= 30514 (0x00007732) XPNDR_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65716 (0x000100b4), Param= 0 (0x00000000) VOR1_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65717 (0x000100b5), Param= 0 (0x00000000) VOR2_SET
    48297 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 66720 (0x000104a0), Param= 0 (0x00000000) ANTISKID_BRAKES_TOGGLE
    49375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    51344 Starting everything now ...
    51391 ASN active function link set
    51391 Ready for ASN WX radar
    52672 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled
    53375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    57375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    61375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    65391 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    69406 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    73375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    77375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    81391 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
    82953 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 38 secs = 28.2 fps
    82953              Max AI traffic was 13 aircraft
    84437 *** Entered Buttons option page ***
    92562 FirstButtonChange res=00000002 (0.0, 2)
    93500 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
    94437 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
    96125 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
    99437 FirstButtonChange res=00000002 (0.0, 2)
   100344 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
   101922 FirstButtonChange res=00000001 (0.0, 1)
   104375 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
   105641 FirstButtonChange res=00000002 (0.0, 2)
   107406 FirstButtonChange res=00000002 (0.0, 2)
   108281 FirstButtonChange res=00000003 (0.0, 3)
   109344 *** Exiting Buttons option page ***
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109375 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>
   109391 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65794 (0x00010102), Param= 0 (0x00000000) PAUSE_ON
   109969 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69974 (0x00011156), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69974>
   110000 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69974 (0x00011156), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69974>
   110031 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69974 (0x00011156), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69974>
   110234 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69981 (0x0001115d), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69981>
   110281 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69981 (0x0001115d), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69981>
   110312 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69981 (0x0001115d), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69981>
   110344 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 69981 (0x0001115d), Param= 4194304 (0x00400000)  <69981>
   111984 KEYDOWN: VK=80, Waiting=0, Repeat=N, Shifts=0
   111984 .. Key not programmed -- passed on to FS
   111984 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65561 (0x00010019), Param= 0 (0x00000000) PAUSE_TOGGLE
   112047 KEYUP: VK=80, Waiting=0
   112719 Button changed: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3, Pressed
   112719 [buttons] 1=R0,3,C65615,0
   112719 Repeating flag set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3 (RepeatDelayCtr=1)
   112719 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65615, Param=0
   112719 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 85639 (0x00014e87), Param= 1 (0x00000001)  <85639>
   112875 Button held, flags=X05, repeat set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3, (RepeatOk sets 2)
   112875 [buttons] 1=R0,3,C65615,0
   112875 Repeating flag set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3 (RepeatDelayCtr=11)
   112875 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65615, Param=0
   112875 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 85639 (0x00014e87), Param= 1 (0x00000001)  <85639>
   11

[Pete Dowson]

Okay. What you posted doesn't tally with what you said earlier. Let's review what you said earlier:

 

I found any key programmed with Elevator trim Dn will disengage the autopilot only with NGX. I am using a Saitek yoke. I realize I was not using the most updated version, so I updated to the latest but same thing.  I removed the config file  to start over the programming.

I programmed the autopilot on the Saitek yoke with the key command in the NGX. I then programmed a button on the yoke to the Elevator trim Dn. Everytime I operate this key it disengages the autopilot. Any key with the Elevator trim Dn operates the autopilot. When I clear the trim key  programming its fine. I have not programmed anything else until I figure this out. 

 

 

Now, first, when you say "key" I now must assume you really meant BUTTON!

 

Second, you said you hadn't programmed anything else, only this one key or button. However, the INI file shows no KEY PRESSES assigned, but 5 BUTTONS for your NGX profile. Should I assume that was the complete file? If it is I don't understand what the point of your Saitek yoke is because you have no flight controls. Do you only fly using the keyboard, discarding the yoke?

 

If you are using the yoke, then since it isn't assigned in your FSUIPC settings, I must assume that you still have controllers enabled in FS,  I suspect that's where your conflicts are arising. Disable controllers in FS and re-test. You can't use both FSUIPC and FS for assignments to buttons and axes, they will conflict or add undesired actions .

 

Going back to your INI file, the ONLY assignments there for the NGX are these, all for yoke buttons:

 

[buttons.PMDG 737]

1=P0,14,K71,11

2=P0,4,K84,11

6=R0,2,C65607,0

7=R0,3,C65615,0

8=P0,1,K65,11

 

(BTW if you download FSUIPC 4.951 (from the Download Links subforum above), these sort of assignments will be decoded for you. Makes life a bit easier when checking things)

 

So they send keypresses Ctrl+Shft+G, Ctrl+Shift+T and Ctrl+Shift+A, and controls Elev trim dn, and Elev trim up. Both of those controls are set to repeat if the button is held.

 

The log shows that when you pressed the button assigned to Elev trim dn, and held it down,  you got this:

 

   112719 Button changed: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3, Pressed
   112719 [Buttons] 1=R0,3,C65615,0
   112719 Repeating flag set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3 (RepeatDelayCtr=1)
   112719 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65615, Param=0
   112719 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 85639 (0x00014e87), Param= 1 (0x00000001)  <85639>
   112875 Button held, flags=X05, repeat set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3, (RepeatOk sets 2)
   112875 [Buttons] 1=R0,3,C65615,0
   112875 Repeating flag set: bRef=0, Joy=0, Btn=3 (RepeatDelayCtr=11)
   112875 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65615, Param=0
   112875 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 85639 (0x00014e87), Param= 1 (0x00000001)  <85639>

Now what I find rather intriguing about this is that something is seeing the button, or maybe intercepting the control, and sending the event 85639, which most certainly is not one known to FS or P3D, so I assume it is something generated elsewhere. 

 

That number is out of the range understood by the NGX, which I think uses custom controls up to about 84232.

 

There are also many occurrences shown in the log of this unknown control:

 

   9797 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 196880 (0x00030110), Param= 0 (0x00000000) <unknown>

 

which is way outside any any sensible range.

 

So, conclusion:

 

1. The problem is not related to fSUIPC.

2. There are probably conflicts with P3D because I assume controllers are not disabled.

3. You have something else running, maybe Saitek software, or other add-ons, one or more of which is sending rather strange commands.
  

Pete

[Thomas Richter]

Hi,

 

just as a side note.

The Autopilot has to disengage when Trim UP or Trim DN is pressed (real live), PMDG will have implemented that I guess.

[Pete Dowson]

just as a side note.

The Autopilot has to disengage when Trim UP or Trim DN is pressed (real live), PMDG will have implemented that I guess.

 

Ah, thanks Thomas. Yes that's very likely to be true. It SHOULD be implemented like that in both PMDG 777X and 737NGX.

 

What seems more odd in the OPs original post is this:

 

When I fly with PMDG 737 or 777 the gear keeps going down, A/P disengages, spoilers arm without operating any keys during flight.

 

Now looking again at the Key assignments above I wonder if that Ctrl+Shft+G assignment might sometimes be seen as a Gear toggle There isn't an obvious candidate for arming spoilers though.

 

Whilst this part:

 

I found any key programmed with Elevator trim Dn will disengage the autopilot only with NGX. 

 

should be true also for Elevator trim Up, and for the 777X.

 

Really I would recommend that he re-assigns using controls where possible, not keypresses. Without going into FS and PMDG assignments to check we can't tell what keypresses are assigned to do outside of FSUIPC.

 

Pete

[Thomas Richter]

Hi Pete,

Now looking again at the Key assignments above I wonder if that Ctrl+Shft+G assignment might sometimes be seen as a Gear toggle There isn't an obvious candidate for arming spoilers though.

If I remember correct the key combination CTRL+G or Shift+CTRL+G was originally in FSX used to release the gear, gravity extend. Might be still true and also used by PMDG?

Edited May 11, 2016 by EW321

[Pete Dowson]

Hi Pete,

Now looking again at the Key assignments above I wonder if that Ctrl+Shft+G assignment might sometimes be seen as a Gear toggle There isn't an obvious candidate for arming spoilers though.

If I remember correct the key combination CTRL+G or Shift+CTRL+G was originally in FSX used to release the gear, gravity retraction. Might be still true and also used by PMDG?

 

Yes. Just checked default assignments involving G:

 

G Gear toggle

Shft+G tail wheel lock toggle

Ctrl+G gear extend manually

Ctl+Shft+G TOGA

 

I think, but I'm not sure, that the user can choose the keys to be used for some things in the PMDG aircraft. Really, if PMDG is catching them they shouldn't also be passed on for FS to handle. FSUIPC doesn't allow that. (But it can't stop FS detecting buttons and axes).

 

Pete

[barona]

Maybe the autopilot is suppose to disengage when I operate the trim in PMDG. Sorry if I made the wrong analysis here. Anyways back to reprogramming all the assignment to see if the gear, spoilers and autopilot operate on their own. If it does, i will post another log file.

[Pete Dowson]

Maybe the autopilot is suppose to disengage when I operate the trim in PMDG.

 

Yes, we think it should -- It does in a real Boeing!

 

But originally you said other things were happening too, like gear going down and spoilers arming.

 

Pete

[barona]

It seems the problems have disappeared after I re-configured the commands. Not sure what the problem was there. The auto pilot does disengage on the PMDG NGX but not the 777. Not sure if that is how it is on the real aircraft. Thanks for your help Pete