FSUIPC CH Produts problems...still! help!

[j.t.s.]

Hi

I posted a while back about problems with the yoke, rudder, and throttle setup using FSUIPC. I gave up for a while, and focused on real world flying but I am still determined to resolve my issues. I use Flight Simulator X and v4.26 of FSUIPC. For the setup of my controls I referred to John Cook's Instructions set v1.10. Instead of programming the BE200 as described in his example I picked the default BE350 figuring it would be the closest thing. I followed exact step by step instructions and encountered two problems. For one even after calibrating the throttles I cannot get the engines to go into reverse, and secondly I am unable to calibrate mixture because under the 'Joystick Calibration' tab no movement of the axes is noted, despite recognition of movement as 'Mixture 2' under the 'Axis Assignment' tab.

I believe the reverse problem may have something to do with 'range' detection. I noticed that the 'IN' and 'OUT' values do not change once the throttle goes down into idle and past. They seem to stop at the detent allowing for a range between idle and max only.

As for the mixture problem I have no idea. After the axis assignment and not being able to calibrate mixture I exited FSUIPC and checked my controls on the aircraft. Throttle 1&2 and Prop 1&2 work as programmed aside from the reverse issue, but Mixture 1 does nothing until it comes all the way back. Then, ironically enough, instead of changing Mixture 1 it brings #1 into reverse. Mixture 2 does nothing at all.

Any ideas anybody? I would sure appreciate it!

John

[peterhayes]

John

I take it that you are talking about the CH Yoke, TQ and rudder pedals?

Are you assigning axes in FSX or in FSUIPC? If using FSUIPC alone -- make sure that all assignemnets in FSX are removed. That is: Make sure you have no duplicate axis assignements in either FSX or FSUIPC (including the keyboard)

Check the null zone and sensitivity settings for ALL 6 axes of the TQ (some are "hidden") in FSX (Sensitivity full right; null zone full left)

(With regard to the mixture axes not moving just "jiggle" the 6 levers on the TQ before seeing if the mixture can be calibrated I found with my TQ if the levers were in a certain position --- I couldn't see any movement in FSUIPC until I moved them a bit - just a thought)

Are you using the CH Control Manager software? (in mapped or direct mode?)

NOTE: The easiest way to set reverse thrust in a CH TQ so that RT starts at the detent on the TQ and continues below to minimum, -- is to load (but not run) the CH Control Manager (or run it in Direct Mode) This will then give you an extra tab named "THROTTLE SETTINGS" in the Windows calibration screen. (If you are running the CHCM in direct mode you can set the detent value in that program) In Windows: This extra "THROTTLE SETTINGS" tab shows: MinValue = 0; MaxValue= 255; DetentValue = 240 [NB]; DeadZone= 4

[see attached picture] You need to "calibrate" the TQ in Windows (or set in the CHCM software) first so that you can set the detent value at 240 and hence easily set RT in FSUIPC4.

Regards

PeterH

[j.t.s.]

o.k., i tried again. i deleted all axes in flight sim so that no duplictaes exist and chose not to enable the ch controllers through fs-x. when assigning axes in fsuipc i chose to send direct to fsuipc. i ran the control manager as described and made all the settings as seen in the attachment. and still #1 throttle ranges from full reverse to idle and mix is all messed up too. i am starting to get really frustrated. paid a ton of cash for all this hardware and software and now it is collecting dust and i am not flight simming at all.

[Pete Dowson]

o.k., i tried again. i deleted all axes in flight sim so that no duplictaes exist and chose not to enable the ch controllers through fs-x. when assigning axes in fsuipc i chose to send direct to fsuipc. i ran the control manager as described and made all the settings as seen in the attachment. and still #1 throttle ranges from full reverse to idle and mix is all messed up too. i am starting to get really frustrated. paid a ton of cash for all this hardware and software and now it is collecting dust and i am not flight simming at all.

I'm afraid the case here sounds like too many programs confusing things. I don't know why, but CH users get into all sorts of trouble with interaction between CH Manager, FS itself, and FSUIPC. Why not just use one?

Try deleting the FSUIPC INI file (from the FS Modules folder), so that FSUIPC is doing nothing. THEN re-enable everything in FS Assignments, making sure all Sensitivities are max (right-most) and all null zones are at minimum (left-most). That's FS sorted.

Now you only need to calibrate in either Windows Game controllers or CH manager (or both -- sorry, I don't know CH stuff). Get it working as close to what you want that way. If you then want to make use of extra trickery in FSUIPC, come back and we'll deal with that for specific needs.

If you don't do things step by step, with three programs interacting on the same axes, you will confuse yourself and the programs..

Pete

[chipcarve]

I have a new Saitek Pro Yoke and Throttle system that works very well with all the Keystrokes I need programmed through their SST programming software. The X and Y axes are the only things programmed to work thru the FS 2004 or FSX software, and even though the Sautek Yoke and Throttle work flawlessly in MS Windows XP Professional's Control Center, when controlled thru FS Sim software the Yoke X and Y axes work, but no matter how I set the Sensitivities or Nulls, all I can get is either 0 or 100%, nothing smooth in between.

I downloaded and purchased registration for FSUIPC 3 for FS9 and FSUIPC4 for FSX along with the proper WideFS software They are both installed and are functional. I have read through all the user manual has to say about Axis assignments and Axis calibrations, but after doing it the way it looks like I'm supposed to, saving it thru FSUIPC only, nothing neither Ailerons nor elevators function at all, like the yoke isn't even plugged in.

I know I'm just doing something dumb, but would you please tell me simply steps to go thru to make sure what I am trying to do will be saved so I can then play with the slopes to get the sensitivity I'm looking for?

Thanks, I know your FSUIPC program is just the answer for what I'm trying to do, but all I seem to do with the Saitek is fly to the moon or groung, ans this rather suddenly.

Soooooo, please help?

Thanks,

Harvey Morgan

chipcarve@comcast.net

[Pete Dowson]

I have a new Saitek Pro Yoke and Throttle system ...

Are you posting randomly adding to different threads? I have answered you in another. Please use your own thread for new questions.

when controlled thru FS Sim software the Yoke X and Y axes work, but no matter how I set the Sensitivities or Nulls, all I can get is either 0 or 100%, nothing smooth in between.

The sensitivity should be max (full right) and the null zone at min, full left. If you still only get 0 and 100% you have somehow got "digital" rather than "analogue" mode set on your hardware, or in your driver, or you are using the wrong driver. "Digital" mode is a typical Game Pad mode rather than a joystick or yoke one.

Don't even think of using FSUIPC for anything to do with these axes until you have solved the 0 / 100% operation. Nothing the FS side of the Saitek drivers can help. You may need Saitek support -- maybe the hardware is broken.

Pete