Have to keep assigning proppitch2

[drskyking]

Hello Pete!

Odd thing since I just reinstalled my FS9 and addons with my registered FSUIPC 3.something purchased 5 yrs ago onto my new i5 quad core PC last week. Every time I start up fs9 my proppitch2 on my CH prods throttle quadrant doesn't work. I have to go into FSUIPC, rescan for joysticks, move proppitch2 lever, (it does appear to be assigned and numbers change when I move the lever) un tick it, close FSUIPC, then reopen it, rescan, and then tick and assign the right prop lever proppitch2. Then it works until I shutdown and restart fs9. I have unassigned all joysticks under FS9 joystick assignments as before. I don't believe I am doing anything differently than the old pc that always seemed to save the assignments. I keep the single prop lever on the CH flight sim yoke pulled down as it is assigned as a separate axis. Appreciate your thoughts. Thanks, Doc

[Pete Dowson]

Odd thing since I just reinstalled my FS9 and addons with my registered FSUIPC 3.something purchased 5 yrs ago onto my new i5 quad core PC last week. Every time I start up fs9 my proppitch2 on my CH prods throttle quadrant doesn't work. I have to go into FSUIPC, rescan for joysticks, move proppitch2 lever, (it does appear to be assigned and numbers change when I move the lever) un tick it, close FSUIPC, then reopen it, rescan, and then tick and assign the right prop lever proppitch2. Then it works until I shutdown and restart fs9. I have unassigned all joysticks under FS9 joystick assignments as before. I don't believe I am doing anything differently than the old pc that always seemed to save the assignments. I keep the single prop lever on the CH flight sim yoke pulled down as it is assigned as a separate axis.

Hmm. There's is really no difference between something being assigned or re-assigned, so even if you needed to go into the options to force a re-scan (which FSUIPC does automatically each time the options are entered), I really can't see that un-assigning, exiting, re-entering and re-assigning is doing more than simply going into the options and exiting again. Did you try the simpler things first?

Anyway, the main question here is: are you using FSUIPC version 3.99 or later? If not please update and try again. Depending which versin you are using, there was a time-out applied to slow reacting joystick axes (i.e. those whose driver timed out when it was polled) which was changed to only apply during assignment.

No version older than 3.99 is currently supported in any case. There's a version 3.997c in the Download Links subforum.

It's also a good idea to turn off USB power management on all of the USB connections you are using, because that can put them to sleep. (This is done in the windows device manager).

Regards

Pete

[drskyking]

As always, thanks for such a prompt response! Will check my version and look into turning off the USB power management.

Doc

[drskyking]

Very odd still. I have no power management tab on my USB drivers Properties tab. Put in 3.997c, had 3.98. I find now that Pitch2 will only work if after fs9 up, I open Modules, click on any tab then close it works!

Doc

[Andydigital]

Pete do you think this could be a permissions thing in Windows 7 or Vista due to not having access to the real files but rather the aliased/virtual files.

[Pete Dowson]

Very odd still. I have no power management tab on my USB drivers Properties tab.

It isn't "USB drivers - properties" but Device Manager - Universal Serial Bus controllers - USB Root Hub - Properties.. there will probably be several "USB Root Hubs".

Put in 3.997c, had 3.98. I find now that Pitch2 will only work if after fs9 up, I open Modules, click on any tab then close it works!

So you don't really have to unassign it, close FSUIPC, then reopen FSUIPC, and reassign it any more? What could have changed to make it so much easier? I suspect it was always like that because unassigning and reassigning really does nothing. It is the re-scanning when you go into the options which might wake things up.

It certainly sounds like a faulty USB connection or one which is asleep, but it is odd if that's the only axis that does that. Maybe it's a fault in the device instead. What other assignments do you have on the same device? If you assign a different function to that same axis does it still happen? Do all the other assignments work okay?

Note that all that is happening when you open up the FSUIPC options is a re-scan of connected devices, which is also done when you first load FS and FSUIPC starts.

Also, it's a long shot, but perhaps you should paste your FSUIPC.INI file here please so I can see if you have anything odd going on in that.

Regards

Pete

[Pete Dowson]

Pete do you think this could be a permissions thing in Windows 7 or Vista due to not having access to the real files but rather the aliased/virtual files.

Doesn't sound like it. If merely opening FSUIPC options ad exiting again wakes the axis up, it's a connection or power thing. There's a re-scan in FSUIPC.

Pete

[drskyking]

Brand spanking new PC with 8 USB ports on mobo. CH Throttle Quadrant less than a year old, all other assignments hold...

Ini file:

[General]

History=0SCZJISK5F9DBA9BHC5PE

WindSmoothing=Yes

AutoTaxiWind=No

PropTaxiWind=No

TimeSetMode=Partial

WhiteMessages=No

ThrottleSyncAll=No

GraduatedVisibility=No

LowerVisAltitude=0

UpperVisAltitude=25000

UpperVisibility=6000

GenerateCirrus=Yes

WindShearSharp=No

UpperWindGusts=Yes

ExtendMetarMaxVis=Yes

DisconnTrimForAP=No

ZeroElevForAPAlt=No

AutoClearWeather=Yes

ExtendTopWind=Yes

WindSmoothness=10

SmoothPressure=No

PressureSmoothness=5

SmoothVisibility=Yes

VisibilitySmoothness=2

MaxSurfaceWind=0

WindLimitLevel=200

WindDiscardLevel=400

WindAjustAltitude=No

WindAjustAltitudeBy=2000

MinimumVisibility=25

MaximumVisibilityFewClouds=0

MaximumVisibility=0

MaximumVisibilityOvercast=0

MaximumVisibilityRainy=0

OneCloudLayer=No

ThinClouds=No

ThinThunderClouds=No

CloudThinness=1000

ThunderCloudThinness=10000

CloudTurbulence=No

CloudIcing=No

WindTurbulence=No

SuppressAllGusts=No

ExternalOptionControl=Yes

AutoTuneADF=No

KeepFS98CloudCover=No

ShowPMcontrols=No

MagicBattery=No

RudderSpikeRemoval=No

ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No

AileronSpikeRemoval=No

ReversedElevatorTrim=No

StopAutoFuel=No

TrapUserInterrupt=Yes

NavFreq50KHz=No

ClockSync=No

SmoothIAS=Yes

SetVisUpperAlt=No

VisUpperAltLimit=6000

MaxIce=3

MinIce=-1

WindSmoothingDelay=0

WindSmoothAirborneOnly=No

LimitWindVariance=No

VisSmoothingDelay=0

VisSmoothAirborneOnly=No

TrafficControlDirect=Yes

SuppressCloudTurbulence=No

SuppressWindTurbulence=No

SpoilerIncrement=512

ShortAircraftNameOk=No

TCASid=Flight

TCASrange=40

TrafficScanPerFrame=10

AxisCalibration=No

CentredDialogue=Yes

ShowMultilineWindow=No

SuppressSingleline=No

ClearWeatherDynamics=Yes

OwnWeatherChanges=No

FixWindows=No

FixControlAccel=Yes

WeatherReadInterval=4

MoveBGLvariables=Yes

TimeForSelect=4

WeatherReadsFast=No

MainMenu=&Modules

SubMenu=&FSUIPC ...

UpdatedByVersion=3997c

CorrectVSsign=No

MouseWheelTrim=No

MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1

BrakeReleaseThreshold=75

AxisInterceptIfDirect=No

DontResetAxes=No

JoystickTimeout=20

PollGFTQ6=Yes

BlankDisplays=No

ZapSound=firework

UseProfiles=No

LuaRerunDelay=66

[JoystickCalibration]

SepRevsJetsOnly=No

ApplyHeloTrim=No

FlapsSetControl=0

FlapDetents=No

ReverserControl=66292

Reverser1Control=66422

Reverser2Control=66425

Reverser3Control=66428

Reverser4Control=66431

MaxThrottleForReverser=256

AileronTrimControl=0

RudderTrimControl=0

CowlFlaps1Control=0

CowlFlaps2Control=0

CowlFlaps3Control=0

CowlFlaps4Control=0

Mixture1=-16384,1280,1280,14208

PropPitch1=-16253,-8452,-8452,14336

Rudder=-16384,-512,512,16383

Aileron=-16384,-537,512,16256

Elevator=-16384,-512,512,16128

SlopeAileron=2

SlopeElevator=6

MaxSteerSpeed=60

MapThr12to34=Yes

LeftBrake=-16384,16383/16

RightBrake=-16384,16383/16

MapProp12to34=Yes

Throttle2=-16240,-12216,-10635,16383

Mixture2=-16384,1280,1280,14592

PropPitch2=-16384,-8192,-8192,14720

Throttle1=-16380,-12116,-10739,16106

MapMix12to34=Yes

AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes

ExcludeThrottleSet=No

ExcludeMixtureSet=No

ExcludePropPitchSet=No

UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No

Throttle=-16384,16383

PropPitch=-16384,16383

Mixture=-16384,16383

[buttons]

4=R1,9,K192,8

6=P1,38,C66416,1

14=R1,10,C65607,0

15=R1,11,C65615,0

ButtonRepeat=20,10

16=P2,9,C1001,0

17=U2,9,C1002,0

[Axes]

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0

3=1X,256,D,9,0,0,0

4=1Y,256,D,10,0,0,0

5=1Z,256,D,17,0,0,0

6=1R,256,D,14,0,0,0

7=1U,256,D,13,0,0,0

8=1V,256,D,18,0,0,0

9=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0

10=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0

11=2Z,256,D,4,0,0,0

12=2R,256,D,5,0,0,0

13=2U,256,D,6,0,0,0

14=2V,256,D,18,0,0,0

[Keys]

1=190,8,65752,0

[JoyNames]

AutoAssignLetters=No

0=CH PRO PEDALS USB

0.GUID={5C8D5D50-A860-11E0-8002-444553540000}

1=CH THROTTLE QUADRANT

1.GUID={5C8D5D50-A860-11E0-8003-444553540000}

2=CH FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB

2.GUID={5C8D5D50-A860-11E0-8004-444553540000}

[sounds]

Path=C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\Sound\

Device1=Primary Sound Driver

Device2=Realtek HD Audio output

FSUIPC log:

********* FSUIPC, Version 3.997c by Pete Dowson *********

Running on Windows Version 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3

Verifying Certificate for "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator 9\MODULES\FSUIPC.dll" now ...

SUCCESS! Signature verifies okay!

Running inside FS2004 (FS9.1 CONTROLS.DLL, FS9.1 WEATHER.DLL)

User Name="Robert Droege"

User Addr="drskyking@aol.com"

FSUIPC Key is provided

WideFS Key is provided

Module base=61000000

WeatherReadInterval=4

LogOptions=00000001

DebugStatus=255

1656 System time = 13/07/2011 17:50:30

1656 \\DOCNDOCSCOPILOT\Flight Simulator 9\

1656 System time = 13/07/2011 17:50:30, FS2004 time = 12:00:00 (00:00Z)

4343 \\DOCNDOCSCOPILOT\Robert\My Documents\Flight Simulator Files\ALB Gate B11.flt

4390 AIRCRAFT\PMDG737-700\B737-700.air

4390 Aircraft="Continental Airlines B737-700 - Virtual Cockpit"

6812 ERROR: Can't change message filter: functions not available

12093 \\DOCNDOCSCOPILOT\Robert\My Documents\Flight Simulator Files\UI generated flight.flt

12687 Clear All Weather requested: external weather discarded

30375 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled

30375 Traffic File #15 = "scenery\world\scenery\traffic030528"

540500 AIRCRAFT\Flight One C310\C310TC.air

540500 Aircraft="Flight One Dreamfleet Cessna 310 N2818Z"

577203 WeatherOptions set, now 4000372D (timer=0)

635093 System time = 13/07/2011 18:01:03, FS2004 time = 17:58:39 (21:58Z)

635093 *** FSUIPC log file being closed

Memory managed: 0 Allocs, 1876 Freed

********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

[Pete Dowson]

Brand spanking new PC with 8 USB ports on mobo. CH Throttle Quadrant less than a year old, all other assignments hold...

Did you look again for the Windows power management options on the USB hubs? They are sure to be there.

The axis assignments have an oddity or three. Look at this annotated list from your INI file:

CH PRO PEDALS USB

0=0X,256,D,7,0,0,0 Left brake

1=0Y,256,D,8,0,0,0 Right brake

2=0Z,256,D,3,0,0,0 Rudder

CH THROTTLE QUADRANT

3=1X,256,D,9,0,0,0 Throttle1

4=1Y,256,D,10,0,0,0 Throttle2

5=1Z,256,D,17,0,0,0 PropPitch1

6=1R,256,D,14,0,0,0 Mixture2

7=1U,256,D,13,0,0,0 Mixture1

8=1V,256,D,18,0,0,0 PropPitch2

CH FLIGHT SIM YOKE USB

9=2X,256,D,1,0,0,0 Aileron

10=2Y,256,D,2,0,0,0 Elevator

11=2Z,256,D,4,0,0,0 Throttle

12=2R,256,D,5,0,0,0 PropPitch

13=2U,256,D,6,0,0,0 Mixture

14=2V,256,D,18,0,0,0 PropPitch2

So, you have two assignments to PropPitch2. I expect one will be interfering with the other, especially if there's any jitter. This may give you symptoms which appear like unresponsiveness. You also have generic assignments to prop pitch and mixture which affect proppitch1 and proppitch2 and mixture1 and mixture2 as well.

If I were you I'd delete lines 12, 13 and 14 in the [Axes] section.

It's okay to have multiple assignments if you know what you are doing and are sure one isn't dominating the input over the other for some reason (like jitter or because it is left parked in a more extreme position -- FSUIPC arbitrates and allows the larger deflection from "normal" (off, idle, whatever) to win.

But normally, if you want multiple controls assigned for different aircraft, you should have them assigned specifically to those aircraft types -- for instance, by using the Profiles facility in FSUIPC.

Regards

Pete

[drskyking]

Deleted line 14 and voila it all works well! For some reason no power mgmt tab, just power tab and only tells me how much power used..... Will keep searching, but seems moot now. Thanks again Pete!

Doc

[Pete Dowson]

For some reason no power mgmt tab, just power tab and only tells me how much power used..... Will keep searching, but seems moot now.

The "Generic USB Hub" devices only have Power, no Power Management. It's the "USB Root Hub" devices which have the PM tab as well as 'Power'. They are usually to be found at the end of the list in device Manager, under "Universal serial Bus controllers". Maybe you are simply not scrolling far enough down?

Regards

Pete

[drskyking]

Found them, thanks..