FSUIPC v 4.9 but which version for FS Flying School Pro 2013?

[Ksw]

I've paid for and downloaded FSFS Pro 2013 thinking it was complete but am told on installing that I now need the free FSUIPC, at least v. 4.9 from http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.html.

 

On going there I find several versions for different programs, but no mention of which one is needed for FSFS Pro 2013. Can anyone advise definatively?

[Pete Dowson]

Moved from "User Contributions" subforum where it was mis-posted:

 

I've paid for and downloaded FSFS Pro 2013 thinking it was complete but am told on installing that I now need the free FSUIPC, at least v. 4.9 from http://www.schiratti.com/dowson.html.

 

On going there I find several versions for different programs, but no mention of which one is needed for FSFS Pro 2013. Can anyone advise definatively?

 

There are only TWO different versions of FSUIPC -- FSUIPC3 for FS9 and earlier and FSUIPC4 for FSX and later.  There are not "versions for different programs" (other than FSX v FS9) at all -- how can you possibly read that? There is absolutely no possibility of confusion as the Schiratti site only lists one for FS9 and one for FSX!

 

The latest releases of FSUIPC3 or FSUIPC4 are always available on the Schiratti website, and also here, in Download Links subforum. Install the one appropriate to your version of FS, which I assume you know? If not then I understand your confusion. Use the Help menu in FS to see if it is FS9 (aka FS2004) or FSX!

 

Pete

[Ksw]

Moved from "User Contributions" subforum where it was mis-posted:

 

 

There are only TWO different versions of FSUIPC -- FSUIPC3 for FS9 and earlier and FSUIPC4 for FSX and later.  There are not "versions for different programs" (other than FSX v FS9) at all -- how can you possibly read that? There is absolutely no possibility of confusion as the Schiratti site only lists one for FS9 and one for FSX!

 

The latest releases of FSUIPC3 or FSUIPC4 are always available on the Schiratti website, and also here, in Download Links subforum. Install the one appropriate to your version of FS, which I assume you know? If not then I understand your confusion. Use the Help menu in FS to see if it is FS9 (aka FS2004) or FSX!

 

Pete

Pete, thank you for your quick reply. However, you fail to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has never heard of any of those terms before, and has no clue as to their meaning, or a person who has only just visited and registered for this site.

 

I apologise for misposting, but the FAQ sub-forum was greyed out (as, understandably was "announcements) leaving 3 options. "User Contributions" seemed the obvious sub-forum, especially as many would be downloading FSFS Pro 2013 and benefit from a succinct response.

 

I eventually found your reply by doing a word-search in Firefox, but I have no idea even which sub-forum you have placed me in. There seems to be nothing above beyond "FSUIPC Support Pete Dowson Modules".

 

Indeed it was not my intention to trigger hostility on anyone's part, but as you feel it is impossible to see confusion on the Shiratti page, please allow me to quietly explain. First let me say that I appreciate that your software is offered free of charge, presumably provided by you for the enjoyment of the community. That deserves acknowledgment and gratitude, which I willingly express now. Thank you for that service to myself and others.

 

The version I have is FSFS Pro 2013, as I did mention thrice in my post. So now I must ask, "is there more than one version that goes by that name?" (My help page doesn't go beyond saying "No P3D found, and that I have FSFlying School version 2.3.).

 

Nowhere could I see FSFS Pro 2013 mentioned on the Schiratti page. It DOES mention: FSX, Prepar3d and FS2004 which I understand is a Microsoft FS. I also understand from  your reply that it is aka FS9 - unhelpful as FS9 is NOT mentioned on the Schiratti page. I also see a version dated 2013 but the version of FSUIPC is 3.99 and FSFSPRO 2013 says it needs 4.9.  I also understand that Microsoft ditched Flight Simulator software development in the early 2000's (I think 2004).

 

Now given that FS2004 (or FS9) is Microsoft, it would not seem to be the one to download to use with FSFS 2013 Pro. However, I know nothing of FSX so I don't know if that is an appropriate version.

 

Peter, you have picked my use of the word "program". But hey, I won't go into that one.

 

Now, all I asked for was which version do I download for FSFS Pro 2013. It seemed a simple enough question, not needing hosility. Should I download the FSX version or will it cause me problems?

 

At the same time, it now seems to me that given the "No P3D found" message, I'm probably going to have to download another component. Is this the case?

Edited November 29, 2013 by Ksw

[Pete Dowson]

Pete, thank you for your quick reply. However, you fail to put yourself in the shoes of someone who has never heard of any of those terms before, and has no clue as to their meaning, or a person who has only just visited and registered for this site.

 

The only terms you needed to understand when you went to the Schiratti site to find FSUIPC was "FSX" and "FS9". Those are versions of FS, and there's only one possible FSUIPC download there for each!

 

I apologise for misposting, but the FAQ sub-forum was greyed out (as, understandably was "announcements) leaving 3 options. "User Contributions" seemed the obvious sub-forum

 

The subforums to which you refer are just specialised parts of this, the Support Forum, which are permanent repositiories for useful information, not questions about support and subsequent threads which then develop. The main Forum is where all support is done, not in the subforums.

 

The version I have is FSFS Pro 2013, as I did mention thrice in my post.

 

I do not know that program and if it does not need a version of FS to run with, then it cannot possibly need FSUIPC, because FSUIPC is an FS module which can only be installed if you have a version of FS to install it into. The versions of programs which may or may not use FSUIPC is nothing whatsoever to do with FSUIPC.

 

The only versions of FSUIPC are the one for FS9 and before and the one for FSX and later. There's no relevance at all to other programs, and especially not ones not related to any version of FS whatsoever.

 

So now I must ask, "is there more than one version that goes by that name?" (My help page doesn't go beyond saying "No P3D found, and that I have FSFlying School version 2.3.).

 

Sorry, none of that is meaningful to me at all.

 

Nowhere could I see FSFS Pro 2013 mentioned on the Schiratti page.

 

Why should it? Why has Mr. Schiratti got to document anything about programs written and supported by others? That "Dowson" page is just a repositiory of programs by myself written for FS users. If you are an FS user then you should surely know what version of FS you are using! If not all this is really a waste of time. That's your first need -- find out what FS you have got!

 

Now given that FS2004 (or FS9) is Microsoft

 

All versions of FS ("Flight Simulator" in case even that abbreviation mystifies you) are by Microsoft excepting Prepar3D (P3D) which is Lockheed-Martin's later derivative of FSX. That is still actively developed, whilst Microsoft have ceased FS developement.

 

Now, all I asked for was which version do I download for FSFS Pro 2013. It seemed a simple enough question,

 

To recap:

 

1. I have no idea what FSFS Pro 2013 is. If it's a later version of the original FS Flying School then it is an add-on for FS -- probably FSX if it is as new as 2013.

2. The only "versions" relevant to the choice of FSUIPC are the versions of FS (Flight Simulator).  You must surely have purchased one such version, otherwse how do you propose using what is presumably an add-on for it?

 

So, find the box which your version of FS came in and see what version it is. If you have actually installed it, then it will probably identify itself pretty clearly when you run it.

 

Regards

Pete

[Ksw]

Hi Pete,

 

Wow... you are a prompt responder. Thanks for your explanation re sub-forums.

Yes, I worked out that FS = "Flight Simulator" ;-)

 

"The only terms you needed to understand when you went to the Schiratti site to find FSUIPC was "FSX" and "FS9"."

 

OK, but as I said, I have no idea what FSX is, and whether or how it relates to FSFS Pro 2013. And FS9 is NOT mentioned on the Schiratti page.

 

FYI FSAFlyingSchool Pro 2013 is dated Aug 2013 and is copyrighted 2006-2013 FSInventions. It is an Australian program and seems to be well-regarded. I had no idea that it depended on overseas module(s) before going to the Schiratti page.

 

I have to say that, while you may be totally unaware of this program I wasn't necessarily expecting an answer from you. The beauty of these forums is that usually, someone has had and overcome the same problem - hence my addressing the original question to "anyone".

 

FSFlyingSchoolPro 2013 was a downloadable - no box. You are correct though, it IS an add-on, not a complete FS program. I didn't realise that when I bought it. I expected to pay a lot more, but thought I was "pleasantly surprised" that a good, training flight siim (as opposed to a mere game) was so cheap. Well, back to the drawing board, LOL.  I shall buy Prepar3d, but will take a little longer to understand what I'm doing.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Kind regards

Edited November 29, 2013 by Ksw

[Ian P]

Hi KSW,

 

if you look at the FS Flying School web page, you will see that the package is for "X-Plane", "FS9", "FS9" and "P3D" - those being different simulators; X-Plane is a standalone sim which is only related to itself. FS9 is also known as FS2004 but is a Microsoft Flight Simulator, unsurprisingly, from 2004. FSX  ("FS10") is the follow on to that. It all gets very convoluted at this point but Lockheed-Martin's Prepar3D is a development of FSX, which no longer has any relationship with Microsoft, other than needing Windows to run.

 

FSUIPC works on FS9/FS2004 (FSUIPC3) and FSX/P3D v1.4/P3D v2 (FSUIPC4).

 

As Pete says, all you need is the latest current version of FSUIPC4, in order for FS Flying School to work with Prepar3D. I don't think you need a registered version either, just the freely available download.

 

I'll bypass the Schiratti site entirely here and point you to Pete's own "current versions" post, here: http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66139-updated-modules/#entry417029 - you need the second download on the list, at the time of writing, FSUIPC version 4.923 full installer.

 

Does that help?

 

Cheers,

 

Ian P.

[Ksw]

Yes, that helps too, thanks Ian. My original mistake was in not spending enough time on the FS Flying School web page to understand what I was buying (merely an add-on, tho one I want anyway). I'm keen to learn to fly before I actually take lessons, and so I want a proper Flight Sim, not just a game that misleads. I have flown a Cessna with a friend to the point of "straight and level", so I know what to expect. I think :-). So I thgink its worth spending the money on Prepar3d. I was actually expecting to spend that kind of money anyway. Having looked at their web page, I think the academic version is the way to go until I'm more advanced.

 

Cheers

Keith

[Ian P]

Hi Keith.

 

With the FSUIPC question answered, we might want to move this discussion somewhere else on the forum but, provided Pete doesn't object, we can continue here.

 

I don't think, from what you've said here, that you have already purchased a flight simulator package - only FS Flying School. Would that be correct? If so, the product currently only appears to be compatible with Prepar3D version 1.4, which has been replaced by 2.0 with a significant number of changes which may prevent FS Flying School running properly. I strongly suspect that they will be making it work very quickly if it does not already. You will need that installed, then FSUIPC4.923 (or later), then FS Flying School, preferably in that order.

 

Although P3D is expensive - the US$200 "Professional" option is the one you'll need unless you are student - that's around two hours of flying time in most countries I know of and it can save you a lot more than that if used properly! P3Dv2 is, from my experience with it so far, a significantly improved training environment when compared to FS9, FSX or P3Dv1.4.

 

The other add-on I would recommend is also not directly supported by P3Dv2 yet, but will hopefully be soon, and teaches a number of good habits. It's additional expense, but I would really suggest looking at A2A's C172 Trainer package (http://secure.simmarket.com/a2a-simulations-accu-sim-c172-trainer-%28incl-accusim%29.phtml or http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9&products_id=56), which forces you gently into doing a walk around and not abusing your aircraft.

 

Again, I hope that helps.

 

Ian P.