Claude Troncy Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Bonjour, It is not a FSUIPC problem but nevertheless, I ask for the opinion of a specialist, on this forum. As soon as I use brakes on pedals, the keyboard command stop working. I tried to program the key via FSUIPC after disable it in FSX, and I got exactly the same behavior. It seems that as soon as the pedals brakes are used, FSX disable the keyboard command. The advantage of the keyboard command is that the same pressure is applied on the right and left brake, which avoid to finish in the grass on landing :smile: due to the differential braking too sensitive.I would like to keep the differential braking when I want to turn during taxing. Best regards Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Bonjour, It is not a FSUIPC problem but nevertheless, I ask for the opinion of a specialist, on this forum. As soon as I use brakes on pedals, the keyboard command stop working. I tried to program the key via FSUIPC after disable it in FSX, and I got exactly the same behavior. It seems that as soon as the pedals brakes are used, FSX disable the keyboard command. The advantage of the keyboard command is that the same pressure is applied on the right and left brake, which avoid to finish in the grass on landing :smile: due to the differential braking too sensitive. I would like to keep the differential braking when I want to turn during taxing. There's nothing I know of which is suddenly stopping the normal "Brakes" control working -- that's the one assigned to the '.' button by default. I'd check what your other add-ons are doing if i were you. FSUIPC actually used both -- it sends the Brakes control when the pressure on both pedals (after calibration) is equal. Use FSUIPC's logging to see what is going on. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Hi Pete, Thank you for your answer. I use no specific add-on (ORBX scenery and REX4 texture, but they have nothing to do with brakes). My problem is with a standard FSX plane. Here is a part of the log... Just after I touched the brakes on the pedal, as you can see the FS Control is still sent, but no brakes in FSX. Before touching the brakes on the pedal, it works. As I had problems with the auto brakes on the PMDG 737NGX, I do not use FSUIPC for the calibration... :sad: 54382 .. This key is programmed in FSUIPC4 'Keys' options 54382 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65588 (0x00010034), Param= 0 (0x00000000) BRAKES 54413 KEYDOWN: VK=190, Waiting=0, Repeat=Y, Shifts=0 54413 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65588, Param=0 54413 .. This key is programmed in FSUIPC4 'Keys' options 54413 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65588 (0x00010034), Param= 0 (0x00000000) BRAKES 54444 KEYUP: VK=190, Waiting=0 55770 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 1613 (0x0000064d) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 55770 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66388 (0x00010354), Param= -16193 (0xffffc0bf) AXIS_RIGHT_BRAKE_SET 55770 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 65764 (0x000100e4), Param= 0 (0x00000000) AXIS_RUDDER_SET 55801 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 7097 (0x00001bb9) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 55833 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 10902 (0x00002a96) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 55879 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 13740 (0x000035ac) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 55911 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 16192 (0x00003f40) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 56535 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 15224 (0x00003b78) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 56581 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 11225 (0x00002bd9) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 56628 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 5097 (0x000013e9) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 56644 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= 3033 (0x00000bd9) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 56675 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= -16193 (0xffffc0bf) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET 60076 KEYDOWN: VK=190, Waiting=0, Repeat=N, Shifts=0 60076 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65588, Param=0 60076 .. This key is programmed in FSUIPC4 'Keys' options 60076 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65588 (0x00010034), Param= 0 (0x00000000) BRAKES 60575 KEYDOWN: VK=190, Waiting=0, Repeat=Y, Shifts=0 60575 FS Control Sent: Ctrl=65588, Param=0 60575 .. This key is programmed in FSUIPC4 'Keys' options 60575 *** EVENT: Cntrl= 65588 (0x00010034), Param= 0 (0x00000000) BRAKES Best regards Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 25, 2014 Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Well, if the BRAKES control is being sent but ignored by the model, it must surely have something to do with the specific model you are using. However, you say "my problem is with a standard FSX plane", so it is indeed a puzzle. But one thing I do notice, and that is the final Left Brake axis value is 56675 *** AXIS: Cntrl= 66387 (0x00010353), Param= -16193 (0xffffc0bf) AXIS_LEFT_BRAKE_SET which is not actually "off"! Why not try proper calibration so that the differential brakes do go completely off ( i.e. -16383 or -16384, never quite sure which). Maybe the BRAKES can't operate normally when a differential brake pressure is still actively applied. That wouldn't surprise me so much, really. Certainly FSUIPC only uses the BRAKES control when both pressures are the same. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2014 Thank you very much... My Pedals are the CH one, and I had a lot of problems to calibrated them. I will do a new calibration. Thank you also to have show me the right path. I think I had a problem with HIDMacros, because when it is not running the problem disappears. I will search in this direction. Best regards Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 Hi Pete, In fact I was wrong the problem is not with HIDMacros and what I call a bug is still there without it. I uninstall everything and re-install FSX de luxe + accelaration. The problem is here. Once I use the pedals, the keyboard doesn't work. So I think it is like that FSX is made. Anyway, you said you applied brake control when the pressure on each brake is equal. Is this difference of pressure between the two brakes, could be a FSUIPC parameter ? Best regards Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I uninstall everything and re-install FSX de luxe + accelaration. The problem is here. Once I use the pedals, the keyboard doesn't work. So I think it is like that FSX is made. Well I still think you have unequal brake pressure applied. Try calibrating with a wider null zone -- i.e. press the pedals down before setting the minimum. Anyway, you said you applied brake control when the pressure on each brake is equal. Is this difference of pressure between the two brakes, could be a FSUIPC parameter ? No, it's the input from the two brake axes, left and right. Proper calibration will get them both equal and off when the feet are relaxed, and both equal and max when both are fully depressed. anywhere else is unlikely to be equal pressure. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I calibrate with a large null zone Left brake mini 8386 max 16192 Right brake mini 8289 max 16192 When FSUIPC calibrate the brakes, the behavior is not exactly the same than in FSX without FSUIPC. -With FSUIPC Keyboard brake OK Then left brake on the pedals; Keyboard brake doesn't work right brake on the pedal Keyboad OK again right brake on the pedal keyboard not OK left brake on the pedal keyboard OK Strange isn't it ? Good puzzle. Claude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I calibrate with a large null zone Left brake mini 8386 max 16192 Right brake mini 8289 max 16192 When FSUIPC calibrate the brakes, the behavior is not exactly the same than in FSX without FSUIPC. -With FSUIPC Keyboard brake OK Then left brake on the pedals; Keyboard brake doesn't work right brake on the pedal Keyboad OK again right brake on the pedal keyboard not OK left brake on the pedal keyboard OK Strange isn't it ? Good puzzle. Claude Without seeing the axis values each time I really could not say. Sorry. I'm sure you can work it out yourself using the logging facilities. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I found this, which explain that when FS detects that you are using proportional toe-brakes pedals, it inhibits the normal brake commands In this post they seems to have cure the problem with FSUIPC. For the moment it is not working for me as I explained in my previous post. I continue to investigate. Best regards Claude http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?154635-FSX-brake-problem-Joystick-Toe-brakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 I found this, which explain that when FS detects that you are using proportional toe-brakes pedals, it inhibits the normal brake commands In this post they seems to have cure the problem with FSUIPC. For the moment it is not working for me as I explained in my previous post. I continue to investigate. Best regards Claude http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?154635-FSX-brake-problem-Joystick-Toe-brakes Mmm. New to me. Though this comment: "the joystick button is best used to apply the brakes on landing because both left and right brakes are applied equally and in that case the plane stays on a direct line without swerving left or right. On the other hand the toe brakes are best used to steer the aircraft left or right by applying more force on one toe brake or the other" should have been answered. Real pilots don't have such a "cheat". Toe brakes AND rudder need to be applied sensible to keep a straight line. Best to practice that rather than cheat. And toe brakes should not often be used for steering. The nose wheel is sensitive enough where it is controlled, and the rudder is very effective in light aircraft. There are several ways of assigning toe brakes in FSUIPC. Have you tried them all? Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claude Troncy Posted August 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 What do you mean by several ways to assign toe brakes in FSUIPC. I only know one . I disable controller in FSX, then assign right and left brakes in axis assignment, with a direct send to calibration. Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Dowson Posted August 26, 2014 Report Share Posted August 26, 2014 What do you mean by several ways to assign toe brakes in FSUIPC. I only know one . In the Axis assignments tab you can assign to FSUIPC's "direct to FSUIPC calibration" brakes, or you can choose to assign to FS controls "Axis left brake set" and "Axis Right brake set" controls, or, (I think these are still there, but I'm not sure), in the same drop down, the older FS98 controls "Brakes left" and "Brakes right". I disable controller in FSX, then assign right and left brakes in axis assignment, with a direct send to calibration. Yes, that's actually the most efficient way. I always use that method. Pete Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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