No Coordinates send to ADE when FSX:SE paused

Kochfix · June 23, 2015

Hi everybody,

I encountered a Problem with the connection of FSX:SE and ADE:

The function "move aircraft here" works only in one direction (ADE to FSX) when the Simulation is paused (which is normally the case, when FSX is on one display and you're working with ADE on the other). The aircraft moves to the new Position in FSX, but the Symbol in ADE stays on the old Position. When you press "P" to continue the Simulation, the plane Symbol in ADE moves immediately to the new Position. It Looks, as if FSUIPC does not work properly when the Simulation is paused. There was no Problem after the first setup of FSX:SE and ADE on my new machine. It might be, that it came with the Installation of PMDG 737 or Flight1 BN-2 Islander.

System recovery, Uninstall of PMDG 737 and BN-2, Reinstall of FSUIPC did not help. Any clue to this Problem?

Gerd

Pete Dowson · June 23, 2015

I encountered a Problem with the connection of FSX:SE and ADE:

ADE being what, Airport Design Editor?

The function "move aircraft here" works only in one direction (ADE to FSX) when the Simulation is paused (which is normally the case, when FSX is on one display and you're working with ADE on the other)

Really? FSUIPC doesn't care whether the sim is paused or not, it reads and writes coordinates to order.

The aircraft moves to the new Position in FSX, but the Symbol in ADE stays on the old Position. When you press "P" to continue the Simulation, the plane Symbol in ADE moves immediately to the new Position.

In that case SimConnect is not supplying the updated coordinates whilst the sim is paused, or they are not reaching FSUIPC for some reason.

It Looks, as if FSUIPC does not work properly when the Simulation is paused.

It won't be FSUIPC -- it is only passing on information received from SimConnect.

Have you tested changing coordinates using FSInterrogate (part of the FSUIPC SDK)? You can also monitor the Lat/Lon offsets in FSUIPC, and that will show when the SimConnect values are received.

There was no Problem after the first setup of FSX:SE and ADE on my new machine. It might be, that it came with the Installation of PMDG 737 or Flight1 BN-2 Islander.

Hmm. I can't see how they can force SimConnect to delay updating variables when paused. Unless one of their DLLs is intercepting them and not passing them on.

Uninstall of PMDG 737 and BN-2, Reinstall of FSUIPC did not help.

Reinstall of FSUIPC is merely replacing the FSUIPC4.DLL with the same identical FSUIPC4.DLL, so obviously that can't change anything. When you "uninstalled" the others, did you also prevent their DLLs being loaded by DLL.XML?

I don't know why you need to pause in the first place -- the coordinates can certainly be changed all the time when unpaused. Only in FS9 and before did the sim have to be paused or in slew mode to move it about.

Pete

Kochfix · June 23, 2015

Hi Pete,

thanks a lot for the quick Response. Yes, ADE is Airport Design Editor. And i contacted already Jon Masterson - he had no idea.

I understand, that Sim Connect might be the cause of the Problem. Is there a way to reinstall/repair SimConnect?

So, what is FSInterrogate and where can I find FSUIPC SDK?

I did not only uninstall, but deleted everything I found regarding PMDG, also edited the DLL.XML.

When FSX is not in "full Screen" view mode, it automatically paused, when you click into another Screen (I've two Displays).

Gerd

Pete Dowson · June 23, 2015

I understand, that Sim Connect might be the cause of the Problem. Is there a way to reinstall/repair SimConnect?

What versions of SimConnect DLL do you have installed? FSX-SE installs its own. There are three others. ADE probably uses one of the others. But the DLL is simply the interface into FS, and the code which does all the SimConnect things is inextricably bound into FSX modules, all over the place. So really the only "reinstall" is a reinstall of FSX. With FSX-SE there's a check and repair option in the Steam interface. You could try that.

But quite honestly I can't see how such a thing can be broken. Why are you pausing the sim in any case?

So, what is FSInterrogate and where can I find FSUIPC SDK?

FSInterrogate is a utility for reading and writing FSUIPC interfaces. The SDK is available in all the same places as FSUIPC, and all my other programs and modules. See "Download Links" subforum, for instance, or the Schiratti site.

When FSX is not in "full Screen" view mode, it automatically paused, when you click into another Screen (I've two Displays).

But that's just an FSX option -- change it so it doesn't pause!

Pete

Kochfix · June 23, 2015

Thanks a lot, Pete,

using FSX paused is just to avoid plane crash when moving it in ADE. You never know, wether there is some autogen object in the new Position. Sometimes there is the need to place an aircraft directly into a building, f.e. to place a roof into the right position on a building.

I'll try the repair Option.

Attached is the SimConnect.dll (It's the same as in the original FSX from my old machine).

Gerd

SimConnect.xml

Pete Dowson · June 23, 2015

Attached is the SimConnect.dll (It's the same as in the original FSX from my old machine).

No, that's the XML file. Do NOT try to attach DLLs, they are programs. You just need to review programs installed (Windows control panel), or take a look at the list of SimConnect versions FSUIPC's installer finds -- it's recorded in the Installer log file.

Pete

Kochfix · June 23, 2015

Sorry Pete, sent the wrong one...

additionally here the install.log

Installer for FSUIPC4.DLL version 4.939t


Looking in registry for FSX install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0
     Parameter"SetupPath"
... >>>  OK! FOUND FSX!  <<< ...
     SetupPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX

Looking in registry for FSX-SE install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator - Steam Edition\10.0
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator - Steam Edition\10.0
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...

Looking in registry for Prepar3D v1 install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...

Looking in registry for Prepar3D v2 install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...
===========================================================

INSTALLATION FOR FSX:
SetupPath="C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\"
Checking version of the FSX EXE:
... Version 10.0.62613.0  (Need at least 10.0.60905.0)
Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect:
    Found SimConnect build 62613 (Steam)
    Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07)
NOTE: This is actually FSX-SE masquerading as FSX-MS
Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in:
       C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL
... No previous valid version found.
FSX-SE Modules folder already exists.
Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL"
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX_SE.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Found FSX.CFG in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG"
Now checking DLL.XML ...
... There is a previous DLL.XML, checking for FSUIPC4 section.
... FSUIPC4 section already exists but will be replaced.
     (for FSUIPC4, without Loader)
... FSUIPC4 section of DLL.XML written okay
Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ...
... There is a SimConnect.XML, checking for "local" section.
... "local" section already exists, file not modified.
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
"Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder created okay!
Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder:
   Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay
   Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay
   Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay
   Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay
   Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay
   Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay
   Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay
   Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay
   Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay
===========================================================

All installer tasks completed.
Registration for FSUIPC4 was cancelled or failed! (result code 40)

*************** End of Install Log ***************
Installer for FSUIPC4.DLL version 4.939t


Looking in registry for FSX install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0
     Parameter"SetupPath"
... >>>  OK! FOUND FSX!  <<< ...
     SetupPath=C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX

Looking in registry for FSX-SE install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator - Steam Edition\10.0
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator - Steam Edition\10.0
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...

Looking in registry for Prepar3D v1 install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...

Looking in registry for Prepar3D v2 install path:
     HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2
     Parameter"SetupPath"
Not there, so looking in:
     HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2
     Parameter"AppPath"
... NOT found! ...
===========================================================

INSTALLATION FOR FSX:
SetupPath="C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\"
Checking version of the FSX EXE:
... Version 10.0.62613.0  (Need at least 10.0.60905.0)
Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect:
    Found SimConnect build 62613 (Steam)
    Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07)
NOTE: This is actually FSX-SE masquerading as FSX-MS
Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in:
       C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL
... No previous valid version found.
FSX-SE Modules folder already exists.
Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL"
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX_SE.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX_SE.CFG there
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking for the current user's Application Data path: 
... found as "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Now finding \Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one
Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
Looking in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming"
Found FSX.CFG in "C:\Users\Gerd\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG"
Now checking DLL.XML ...
... There is a previous DLL.XML, checking for FSUIPC4 section.
... FSUIPC4 section already exists but will be replaced.
     (for FSUIPC4, without Loader)
... FSUIPC4 section of DLL.XML written okay
Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ...
... There is a SimConnect.XML, checking for "local" section.
... "local" section already exists, file not modified.
Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming"
 ... No FSX.CFG there
"Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder created okay!
Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder:
   Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay
   Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay
   Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay
   Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay
   Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay
   Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay
   Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay
   Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay
   Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay
   Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay
===========================================================

All installer tasks completed.
Registration for FSUIPC4 was cancelled or failed! (result code 40)

*************** End of Install Log ***************

SimConnect.xml

Pete Dowson · June 23, 2015

Sorry Pete, sent the wrong one...

additionally here the install.log

Okay, you have the Steam SimConnect 62613 build installed, and the FSX SP2/Acceleration 61259. If ADE is happy with that, it's okay. Don't keep attaching XML files which aren't relevant in any way.

Sorry, there's no answer here. You say it used to work and now does not. FSUIPC hasn't changed, so something else did.

Pete

Kochfix · June 23, 2015

O.K. it's a strange thing - and very strange is, that it was working a few minutes ago, while I was editing an airport file. But only a short time. After shutting down FSX, compiling the airportfile and starting FSX, it's mad again.

Could it be a Hardware Problem?

Gerd

Pete Dowson · June 23, 2015

Could it be a Hardware Problem?

Well I don't really see how. Sorry.

Pete

GHD · June 23, 2015

This happens on my system also.

Is it really a problem? All I do is unpause and slew slightly.

George

Kochfix · June 24, 2015

George,

for some reason slew mode does not work, plane is spinning around. No Problems on my old System, using the same Standard.xml in the new System.

My Workaround now: Unpaused and crash reallity off.

Nevertheless, will continue to investigate...

Gerd

GHD · June 24, 2015

George,

for some reason slew mode does not work, plane is spinning around. No Problems on my old System, using the same Standard.xml in the new System.

My Workaround now: Unpaused and crash reallity off.

Nevertheless, will continue to investigate...

Gerd

Have you tried <Numpad> 5 to stop the spinning?

Kochfix · June 24, 2015

Thanks George, spinning can be stopped with <Numpad> 5

Ian P · June 27, 2015

The spinning means that your yaw control (rudder pedals or joystick twist grip, for example) is not centred to neutral.

You can temporarily disable your control devices - I think it's ctrl-k - but I just calibrated my devices properly to stop it happening!

Ian P.

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