ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Hi all, i have p3d v3.2 and saitek panels + yoke. the drivers of the saitek panels require fsuipc to work.so a month a go i installed fsuipc 4.949h in p3d v3.2 perfectly fine. the one day,i tried to manually install fsreocrder.it didnt work and together fsuipc stopped working.i removed the line of fsrecorder in the dll.xml and tried to fix fsuipc. so i did : 1.Reinstall fsuipc. 2.removed the fsuipc.dll and removed the line in the dll.xml file and reinstalled. 3.i renamed the dll.xml file and then installed fsuipc. 4.i reinstalled simconnected. 5. i created a new dll.xml with only fsuipc. nothing works! my FSUIPC installer log : Installer for FSUIPC4.DLL version 4.949h Looking in registry for FSX install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator Looking in registry for FSX-SE install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DovetailGames\FSX Parameter"Install_Path" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX-SE! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX Looking in registry for Prepar3D v1 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D Parameter"SetupPath" Not there, so looking in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D Parameter"AppPath" ... NOT found! ... Looking in registry for Prepar3D v2 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2 Parameter"SetupPath" Not there, so looking in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2 Parameter"AppPath" ... NOT found! ... Looking in registry for Prepar3D v3 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND Prepar3D v3! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator\ =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR FSX: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the FSX EXE: ... Version 10.0.61637.0 (Need at least 10.0.60905.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Found SimConnect build 60905 (Original) Found SimConnect build 61242 (SP1 May07) Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07) Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. FSX Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\.thumbnails\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Found FSX.CFG in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG" Now checking DLL.XML ... ... There is a previous DLL.XML, checking for FSUIPC4 section. ... FSUIPC4 section already exists but will be replaced. (for FSUIPC4, without Loader) ... FSUIPC4 section of DLL.XML written okay Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ... ... There is a SimConnect.XML, checking for "local" section. ... "local" section already exists, file not modified. Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Application Data\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Contacts\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Cookies\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Desktop\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Downloads\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Favorites\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Intel\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Links\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Local Settings\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Music\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\My Documents\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\NetHood\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\New folder\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Pictures\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\PrintHood\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Recent\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Saved Games\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Searches\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\SendTo\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Start Menu\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Templates\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Tracing\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Videos\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR FSX-SE: SetupPath="E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\" Checking version of the FSX-SE EXE: ... Version 10.0.62615.0 (Need at least 10.0.62607.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Found SimConnect build 60905 (Original) Found SimConnect build 62615 (Steam) Found SimConnect build 61242 (SP1 May07) Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07) Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. FSX-SE Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX_SE.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\.thumbnails\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Application Data\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Contacts\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Cookies\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Desktop\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Downloads\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Favorites\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Intel\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Links\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Local Settings\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Music\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\My Documents\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\NetHood\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\New folder\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Pictures\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\PrintHood\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Recent\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Saved Games\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Searches\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\SendTo\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Start Menu\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Templates\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Tracing\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Videos\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Cannot edit the DLL.XML file to activate FSUIPC. "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR Prepar3D v3: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the Prepar3D v3 EXE: ... Version 3.2.3.16769 (Need at least 1.0.677.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. Prepar3D v3 Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\.thumbnails\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Found Prepar3D.CFG in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D.CFG" Now checking DLL.XML ... ... There is a previous DLL.XML, checking for FSUIPC4 section. ... FSUIPC4 section already exists but will be replaced. (for FSUIPC4, without Loader) ... FSUIPC4 section of DLL.XML written okay Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ... ... No SimConnect.XML file found. This is okay. Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Application Data\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Contacts\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Cookies\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Desktop\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Downloads\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Favorites\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Intel\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Links\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Local Settings\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Music\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\My Documents\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\NetHood\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\New folder\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Pictures\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\PrintHood\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Recent\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Saved Games\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Searches\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\SendTo\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Start Menu\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Templates\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Tracing\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Videos\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing the Prepar3D SimConnect interface for FSUIPC4 into the "Modules" folder: Installed "SimConnectP3D2.dll" okay Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== All installer tasks completed. Registration dialog 'not now' selected *************** End of Install Log *************** my current dll.xml file : <?xml version="1.0" encoding="Windows-1252"?> <SimBase.Document Type="Launch" version="1,0"> <Descr>Launch</Descr> <Filename>dll.xml</Filename> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Launch.ManualLoad>False</Launch.ManualLoad> <Launch.Addon> <Name>Addon Manager</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad> <Path>bglmanx.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>PMDG Options</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>PMDG\DLLs\PMDGOptions.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>PMDG Events</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>PMDG\DLLs\PMDGEvents.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>PMDG Sounds</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>PMDG\DLLs\PMDGSounds.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>Object Placement Tool</Name> <Disabled>True</Disabled> <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad> <Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Mission Creation Kit\object_placement.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>Traffic Toolbox</Name> <Disabled>True</Disabled> <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad> <Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Traffic Toolbox SDK\traffictoolbox.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>Visual Effects Tool</Name> <Disabled>True</Disabled> <ManualLoad>False</ManualLoad> <Path>..\Microsoft Flight Simulator X SDK\SDK\Environment Kit\Special Effects SDK\visualfxtool.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>FeelThere ERJX Helper</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>FeelThere\Erj\E145XH.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>FeelThere PIC737X Helper</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>FeelThere\B737\PIC737XH.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>SPAD</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>C:\Program Files (x86)\SPAD\Spad.exe</Path> </Launch.Addon> <Launch.Addon> <Name>FSUIPC 4</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>Modules\FSUIPC4.dll</Path> </Launch.Addon> </SimBase.Document> anyone please help me im really desperate. thanks for all replies :) cheers,Ryaan
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 i have p3d v3.2 and saitek panels + yoke. the drivers of the saitek panels require fsuipc to work.so a month a go i installed fsuipc 4.949h in p3d v3.2 perfectly fine. the one day,i tried to manually install fsreocrder.it didnt work and together fsuipc stopped working.i removed the line of fsrecorder in the dll.xml and tried to fix fsuipc. Well, let's see: 1.Reinstall fsuipc. All that does is replace like for like. 2.removed the fsuipc.dll and removed the line in the dll.xml file and reinstalled. That's the same except risks messing up the DLL.XML file 3.i renamed the dll.xml file and then installed fsuipc. That will create a DLL.XML file loading only FSUIPC. 4.i reinstalled simconnected. FSUIPC for P3D doesn't use an installed Simconnect, only the DLL in the Modules folder. 5. i created a new dll.xml with only fsuipc. Step 3 already did that. When you say "FSUIPC stopped working", what do you actually mean? What is the symprom of it "not working"? Is it loading? Is there an FSUIPC Menu entry in Add-Ons? Is a log produced? You need to be more descriptive or the problem, more so that what you did or didn't do to try to "fix" it. If an new FSUIPC4.LOG file is produced when you run P3D, that's what I need to see. If it isn't then FSUIPC isn't being loaded. Pete
ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 Hi well when i lauch P3D i do not have the FSUIPC.LOG i have a FSUIPC Install text document. and also on the program for the saitek drivers it says fsuipc : disconnected. and it also isnt in my addons list in p3d
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Hi well when i lauch P3D i do not have the FSUIPC.LOG i have a FSUIPC Install text document. and also on the program for the saitek drivers it says fsuipc : disconnected. and it also isnt in my addons list in p3d Assuming you mean "FSUIPC4.LOG" (that's it's full name -- make sure you don't have names hidden from you by Windows Explorer), then it isn't loading. Also, it isn't an "addons list2, it is the menu item in P3D when ready to fly, the right-most one called "Add-Ons". What is listed there? Where exactly is the DLL.XML file you've been messing with? Is it in: C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3 That's the place it should be according to the Installer log. Also, I've just noticed something else drastically wrong in your system. Look at these extracts from the Install log: Looking in registry for FSX install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator Looking in registry for FSX-SE install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DovetailGames\FSX Parameter"Install_Path" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX-SE! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX Looking in registry for Prepar3D v3 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND Prepar3D v3! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator\ According to the Registry you have both FSX and P3Dv3 installed in the same place! And FSUIPC4 is installed for both of them! Further: INSTALLATION FOR FSX: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the FSX EXE: ... Version 10.0.61637.0 (Need at least 10.0.60905.0) and INSTALLATION FOR Prepar3D v3: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the Prepar3D v3 EXE: ... Version 3.2.3.16769 (Need at least 1.0.677.0) You have both P3D and FSX EXE's there too! What a mess! How did you end up with this? Did you just install P3D over FSX? Didn't you bother to uninstall one first, or at least choose somewhere else? I would guess that things are so screwed up that not much will work! :sad: Pete
ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Hi yeah thats the path od the dll.xml. and in the right tab in p3d v3 (addons) there is gsx and pmdg and actually no i do not have both sims. i just downloaded an fsx.exe to make all addons i have recognise this path as fsx. because a lot of addons are incompatible with p3d v3. so no i only have the exe thats all. what i dont understand is that all was perfect and the day i tried to install fs-recorder it stopped working. thanks Edited April 12, 2016 by ryaan
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 i just downloaded an fsx.exe to make all addons i have recognise this path as fsx. because a lot of addons are incompatible with p3d v3. Well there's an entry in the Registry saying that FSX is there too, and the FSUIPC installer is installing itself there too. It's just lucky that the Installer installs for P3D after FSX! what i dont understand is that all was perfect and the day i tried to install fs-recorder it stopped working. So what did that do which could possibly stop FSUIPC4 even being loaded? Makes no sense at all. Are you sure that FSUIPC4 is not being loaded when you rename the DLL.XML and rerun the FSUIPC installer to get a DLL.XML which only loads FSUIPC? Try that again and check the add-ons menu and look for an FSUIPC4.LOG again. (You must have a log there already from when "everything was okay", by the way). Pete
ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 hi, i tried it but in the addons tab there only is Ezdok camera addon. and no there is no LOG :(
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 i tried it but in the addons tab there only is Ezdok camera addon. and no there is no LOG :( Hmmm. I need to see a SimConnect log please. See the FAQ subforum here for details of how to make one. BTW did you delete the last log from when things were "okay"? Pete
ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 hi no i didnt delete it. btw i did the simconnect log thing i created a text document and did the things as required and then ran p3d but in my modules folder i have no log :(
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 hi no i didnt delete it. So it is still there, with the old date? btw i did the simconnect log thing i created a text document and did the things as required and then ran p3d but in my modules folder i have no log :( Simconnect MUST create a log if instructed correctly! Please show me the SimConnect.INI file you made and tell me where you placed it! Pete
ryaan Posted April 12, 2016 Author Report Posted April 12, 2016 So it is still there, with the old date? Simconnect MUST create a log if instructed correctly! Please show me the SimConnect.INI file you made and tell me where you placed it! Pete Yes its the same install log but i re-ran the installer and things were still okay! the simconnect.INI file is placed in : C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files the simconnect file is : [simConnect] level=Verbose console=No file=E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\SimConnect%01u.Log file_max_index=9 i named it : Simconnect.ini my new fsuipc install log from E:\Flight Simulator\Modules :: Installer for FSUIPC4.DLL version 4.949h Looking in registry for FSX install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Microsoft Games\Flight Simulator\10.0 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator Looking in registry for FSX-SE install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\DovetailGames\FSX Parameter"Install_Path" ... >>> OK! FOUND FSX-SE! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX Looking in registry for Prepar3D v1 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D Parameter"SetupPath" Not there, so looking in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\LockheedMartin\Prepar3D Parameter"AppPath" ... NOT found! ... Looking in registry for Prepar3D v2 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2 Parameter"SetupPath" Not there, so looking in: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v2 Parameter"AppPath" ... NOT found! ... Looking in registry for Prepar3D v3 install path: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3 Parameter"SetupPath" ... >>> OK! FOUND Prepar3D v3! <<< ... SetupPath=E:\Flight Simulator\ =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR FSX: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the FSX EXE: ... Version 10.0.61637.0 (Need at least 10.0.60905.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Found SimConnect build 60905 (Original) Found SimConnect build 61242 (SP1 May07) Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07) Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. FSX Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Found FSX.CFG in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\FSX\FSX.CFG" Now checking DLL.XML ... ... There is a previous DLL.XML, checking for FSUIPC4 section. ... FSUIPC4 section already exists but will be replaced. (for FSUIPC4, without Loader) ... FSUIPC4 section of DLL.XML written okay Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ... ... There is a SimConnect.XML, checking for "local" section. ... "local" section already exists, file not modified. Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX.CFG there "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR FSX-SE: SetupPath="E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\" Checking version of the FSX-SE EXE: ... Version 10.0.62615.0 (Need at least 10.0.62607.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Found SimConnect build 60905 (Original) Found SimConnect build 62615 (Steam) Found SimConnect build 61242 (SP1 May07) Found SimConnect build 61259 (Acc/SP2 Oct07) Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. FSX-SE Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Games from Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Microsoft\FSX-SE\FSX_SE.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming" ... No FSX_SE.CFG there Cannot edit the DLL.XML file to activate FSUIPC. "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== INSTALLATION FOR Prepar3D v3: SetupPath="E:\Flight Simulator\" Checking version of the Prepar3D v3 EXE: ... Version 3.2.3.16769 (Need at least 1.0.677.0) Checking compatibility with installed SimConnect: Checking if there's already a version of FSUIPC4 installed in: E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL ... Version 4.949h found. Prepar3D v3 Modules folder already exists. Okay -- installed FSUIPC4 into "E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\FSUIPC4.DLL" Looking for the current user's Application Data path: ... found as "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Now finding \Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D.CFG for all users, including this one Looking in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming" Found Prepar3D.CFG in "C:\Users\Ajambeg\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D.CFG" Now checking DLL.XML ... ... No previous DLL.XML found, creating new one (for FSUIPC4 only). Now checking for a SimConnect.XML file ... ... No SimConnect.XML file found. This is okay. Looking in "C:\Users\All Users\AppData\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default\AppData\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Default User\AppData\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there Looking in "C:\Users\Public\AppData\Roaming" ... No Prepar3D.CFG there "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder already exists. Now installing the Prepar3D SimConnect interface for FSUIPC4 into the "Modules" folder: Installed "SimConnectP3D2.dll" okay Now installing additional files into the "Modules\FSUIPC Documents" folder: Installed "FSUIPC4 User Guide.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 for Advanced Users.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 History.pdf" okay Installed "List of FSX and P3D controls.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Library.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC Lua Plug-Ins.pdf" okay Installed "Lua License.pdf" okay Installed "Lua Plugins for VRInsight Devices.pdf" okay Installed "LuaFileSystem.pdf" okay Installed "Example LUA plugins.zip" okay Installed "ASN WX Radar facilities in FSUIPC4.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 737NGX.pdf" okay Installed "Offset Mapping for PMDG 777X.pdf" okay Installed "FSUIPC4 Offsets Status.pdf" okay Installed "Profiles in Separate Files.pdf" okay =========================================================== All installer tasks completed. Registration dialog 'not now' selected *************** End of Install Log *************** Thanks a lot for your patience and sorry for my newbieness :)
Pete Dowson Posted April 12, 2016 Report Posted April 12, 2016 Yes its the same install log but i re-ran the installer and things were still okay! No no! I mean the FSUIPC4.LOG file -- the LOG which FSUIPC always makes anew when FS is started! You said you hadn't deleted it, so it is still there from when things were okay! Please check again! the simconnect.INI file is placed in : C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files the simconnect file is : [simConnect] level=Verbose console=No file=E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\SimConnect%01u.Log file_max_index=9 i named it : Simconnect.ini That is fine. So there MUST be a log in the Modules folder called "SimConnect01.log" (or similar). I'm beginning to think the files I need to see are there but you are simply not seeing them. You are either looking in the wrong place or you are not recognising them. Check that you are allowing Windows Explorer to show the proper names -- select the "Organize" menu in Explorer, then Folder Options. -- View, and ensure the option named "Hide extensions for known file types" is NOT checked. Then look again. I'm to bed now. Tomorrow is another day ... Pete
ryaan Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Posted April 13, 2016 OK so, i now have a SimConnect0.Log because the text file was kept as text document,i now have it as config so yeah it works. However even after changing the search options, in my E:\Flight Simulator\Modules i still do not have an FSUIPC.LOG file after i run P3D. i have an FSUIPC4 Install.log and it is the one i sent in my previous reply. I Couldnt put my simconnect01.log her because even when i put a quarter it says too long. so here is an online link : https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fkvbxj63190762/SimConnect0.Log?dl=0
Pete Dowson Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 i now have a SimConnect0.Log because the text file was kept as text document,i now have it as config so yeah it works. And why were you not seeing text documents? However even after changing the search options, in my E:\Flight Simulator\Modules i still do not have an FSUIPC.LOG file after i run P3D. It is NOT "FSUIPC.LOG" but "FSUIPC4.LOG". I Couldnt put my simconnect01.log her because even when i put a quarter it says too long. so here is an online link : I only needed the first section, where it is loading stuff in any case. Look: 0.03235 DLL Loaded: Path="radar.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 4.04425 DLL Loaded: Path="Oculus.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 4.04546 Panels data export found and set to 559FF2F8 4.04547 DLL Loaded: Path="ControllableCamera.dll" Version="<Unknown>" 4.04618 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\SODE\SimObjectDisplayEngine.exe" 4.04663 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Aerosoft\AirportController\APController.exe" 4.04911 Exe Launched: Path="fsdreamteam\couatl\couatl.exe" CommandLine="" Version="3.0.0.3187" 4.06729 Exe Launched: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\EZCA\EZCA.exe" CommandLine="" Version="1.1.8.7" 4.06900 Exe Launched: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\SPAD\Spad.exe" CommandLine="" Version="0.5.0.0" 4.06980 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\cs.sound.dll" 4.07044 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\Captain_Sim.p727.menu.dll" 4.07093 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Sode\SimObjectAnimationModule.dll" 4.07200 DLL Load Failed: Error=-1 Path="Modules\FSUIPC4.dll" I see it is successfully loading "radar.dll" and "Oculus.dll", and it fails to load "cs.sound.dll" "Captain_Sim.p727.menu.dll" and "SimObjectAnimationModule.dll" because it can't find them. Now NONE of those are listed in the DLL.XML file you posted earlier! Also How can that be? And none of the ones you do list are loaded at all. I am thinking you are looking in the wrong place for these things. Also, I only just noticed, but the DLL.XML you did show has this entry: <Launch.Addon> <Name>SPAD</Name> <Disabled>False</Disabled> <Path>C:\Program Files (x86)\SPAD\Spad.exe</Path> </Launch.Addon> which is for an EXE file! That should not be there! It belongs in the EXE.XML file! And you have many entries in the EXE.XML, two of which are bad -- SimObjectDisplayEngine, and APController! You have Couatl.exe loading but the BGLManx.DLL it depends on is not being loaded. So all in all, nothing corresponds with what you posted before and it looks to be in a mess. The attempt of SimConnect to load FSUIPC4 is logged, but with Error -1. I've no idea what error -1 means. I've never seen one before. All the documented SimConnect errors are positive numbers. I think you have somehow got your P3D installation into a real mess. I can only suggest you start again, uninstall it and try reinstalling it some place differently, to avoid the mess with FSX. And edit the Registry to remove the FSX installation pointers. Pete
ryaan Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Posted April 13, 2016 hi, the cs sound.dll and the other files not found are because i unistalled it because it made my pmdg aircrafts not working. the exe is my bad ik. so the only solution is to comkpletely unistall everyhting and reinstall it in a new drive?
Pete Dowson Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 the cs sound.dll and the other files not found are because i unistalled it because it made my pmdg aircrafts not working. the exe is my bad ik. But what about all the DLLs which are loading but which are not listed in your DLL.XML? I really needed to see a log consistent with your earlier information, not one relating to completely different files. Try renaming both EXE.XML and DLL.XML, so nothing else will load, THEN re-run the FSUIPC4 Installer, test again, and show me just the early parts of the SimConnect log. so the only solution is to comkpletely unistall everyhting and reinstall it in a new drive? I am only suggesting that since things seem to be in such a complete mess! How else to simplify matters so we can both understand what is going on? (But it need not be a separate DRIVE, just a new folder, like "E:\P3D"). Pete
ryaan Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Posted April 13, 2016 HOLY CRAP I RENAMED both exe and dll and FSUIPC LOADS!!!!! THE SIMCONNECT IS HERE: 0.00000 SimConnect version 3.2.0.0 0.00480 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Lockheed Martin Prepar3D v3\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.00925 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Microsoft Flight Simulator\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.01378 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Microsoft ESP\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.01813 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D™\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.02276 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Lockheed Martin Prepar3D v2\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.02708 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=Pipe, Name=\\.\pipe\Lockheed Martin Prepar3D v3\SimConnect, MaxClients=64 0.02816 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=IPv6, Address=::1, Port=58134, MaxClients=64 0.02893 Server: Scope=local, Protocol=IPv4, Address=127.0.0.1, Port=58135, MaxClients=64 0.03114 Panels data export found and set to 5591F2F8 0.03115 DLL Loaded: Path="radar.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 3.04454 DLL Loaded: Path="Oculus.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 3.04581 Panels data export found and set to 5591F2F8 3.04582 DLL Loaded: Path="ControllableCamera.dll" Version="<Unknown>" 3.04651 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\SODE\SimObjectDisplayEngine.exe" 3.04697 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Aerosoft\AirportController\APController.exe" 3.04768 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\cs.sound.dll" 3.04815 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\Captain_Sim.p727.menu.dll" 3.04859 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Sode\SimObjectAnimationModule.dll" 3.10169 Panels data export found and set to 5591F2F8 3.21380 DLL Loaded: Path="Modules\FSUIPC4.dll" Version="4.9.4.9" and i now have an fsuipc4.log: ********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.949h by Pete Dowson ********* Prepar3D.exe version = 3.2.3.16769 Running inside Prepar3D v3 on Windows 7 Module base=24190000 User Name="" User Addr="" FSUIPC4 not user registered WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired 0 System time = 13/04/2016 12:46:21 0 FLT path = "C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\" 0 ------ Module Version Check ------ 0 acontain.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 api.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 controls.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 fs-traffic.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 G3D.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 language.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 sim1.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 visualfx.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 weather.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 window.dll: 3.2.3.16769 0 ---------------------------------- 0 Trying E:\Flight Simulator\Modules\SimConnectP3D2.dll 16 Found it: trying to connect 16 FS path = "E:\Flight Simulator\" 125 LogOptions=00000000 00000001 125 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 125 ------ Setting the hooks and direct calls into the simulator ------ 125 --- CONTROLS timer memory location obtained ok 125 --- SIM1 Frictions access gained 125 --- FS Controls Table located ok 125 --- Installed Mouse Macro hooks ok. 125 --- Wind smoothing fix is installed 125 --- All links okay (except older global weather setting method) 125 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 125 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay 125 Trying to use SimConnect Prepar3D 3776 Running in "Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3", Version: 3.2.3.2 (SimConnect: 3.2.0.0) 3776 Initialising SimConnect data requests now 3776 FSUIPC Menu entry added 3791 C:\Users\Ajambeg\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\Air Austral 777 @ FIMP Gate 7.fxml 3791 E:\Flight Simulator\SimObjects\Airplanes\PMDG 777-300ER\B777-300ER.air 45818 System time = 13/04/2016 12:47:07, Simulator time = 12:46:26 (09:46Z) 50966 Starting everything now ... 54632 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled 88016 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 42 secs = 56.6 fps 99950 === NOTE: not calling SimConnect_Close ... 100964 System time = 13/04/2016 12:48:02, Simulator time = 12:47:07 (09:47Z) 100964 *** FSUIPC log file being closed Minimum frame rate was 56.7 fps, Maximum was 62.5 fps Minimum available memory recorded was 1874Mb Average frame rate for running time of 42 secs = 56.6 fps Memory managed: 19 Allocs, 19 Freed ********* FSUIPC Log file closed *********** thanks a lot but now how will i get all the other stuff to get back in to the sim without damaging the fsuipc? thanks :)
Pete Dowson Posted April 13, 2016 Report Posted April 13, 2016 HOLY CRAP I RENAMED both exe and dll and FSUIPC LOADS!!!!! THE SIMCONNECT IS HERE: But if both are renamed, ond only FSUIPC4 is listed, with no EXE's, how are all those other external DLLs and EXE's being listed in the SimConnect log file? There's still something fishy here. 0.03115 DLL Loaded: Path="radar.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 3.04454 DLL Loaded: Path="Oculus.dll" Version="3.0.0.0" 3.04582 DLL Loaded: Path="ControllableCamera.dll" Version="<Unknown>" 3.04651 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\SODE\SimObjectDisplayEngine.exe" 3.04697 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Aerosoft\AirportController\APController.exe" 3.04768 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\cs.sound.dll" 3.04815 File not found: Path="Captain_Sim\727\Captain_Sim.p727.menu.dll" 3.04859 File not found: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Sode\SimObjectAnimationModule.dll" 3.21380 DLL Loaded: Path="Modules\FSUIPC4.dll" Version="4.9.4.9" The FSUIPC entry is now good, and the FSUIPC4.LOG shows it is running fine. And the ONLY things now not loading which were loading before are: 4.04911 Exe Launched: Path="fsdreamteam\couatl\couatl.exe" CommandLine="" Version="3.0.0.3187" 4.06729 Exe Launched: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\EZCA\EZCA.exe" CommandLine="" Version="1.1.8.7" 4.06900 Exe Launched: Path="C:\Program Files (x86)\SPAD\Spad.exe" CommandLine="" Version="0.5.0.0" So all you want is an EXE.XML with those three in it. Or, maybe better, run them using FSUIPC's "[Programs]" facility instead. Note that you don't have BGLMANX.DLL loading so COUATL.EXE is pretty useless in any case I think. Are you trying to use GSX? That needs BGLMANX for sure. At least you have FSUIPC now. I'm afraid I can't really help with the other things. You'll need to work out how those other DLLs are being referenced as well as the two EXE's it can't find -- somewhere you have another set of DLL.XML and EXE.XML files. Look in the ProgramData folder, where the Scenery.CFG file is. Pete
ryaan Posted April 13, 2016 Author Report Posted April 13, 2016 ok thanks i got everything to work now.thanks for your help and patience. i know im a newbie ;) thanks again , Ryaan
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