Saitek multi throttle odd behaviour on a a few aircraft

[sflight]

Hi All,

I have a strange problem that only the complex Just flight aircraft have & now with the VRS superbug F18 in P3d V3.4.

I have two levers mapped as throttles, so I mapped throttle one to engine 1 & 3 and throttle two to engine 2 & 4.

The inputs show a range from - 16384 to 16383, the output box shows - 4096 to 16383.

Most aircraft the throttles seem to be fine, but some like Just flights Hawk, Tornado & Canberra and the VRS superbug F18 the throttles only come back half way & not to idle, the VRS F18 if I push the throttles to max on the controllers the sim throttles jump back to off & then won't move afterwards.

I have attached my .ini just in case any errors are obvious.

[General]
UpdatedByVersion=4961
History=7JPFHZD74LMK3KJKJ81MJ
InitDelayDevicesToo=No
NewInterceptTextMenu=No
UseSystemTime=No
UseMidMouseBtn=Yes
MouseWheelMove=No
MouseWheelTrim=No
MouseWheelTrimSpeed=1
JoystickTimeout=20
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ZeroElevForAPAlt=No
ThrottleSyncAll=No
WhiteMessages=No
ShowPMcontrols=No
SpoilerIncrement=512
MagicBattery=No
RudderSpikeRemoval=No
ElevatorSpikeRemoval=No
AileronSpikeRemoval=No
ReversedElevatorTrim=No
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OwnWeatherChanges=No
TimeForSelect=4
LoadFlightMenu=No
LoadPlanMenu=No
PauseAfterCrash=No
BrakeReleaseThreshold=75
SaveDataWithFlights=No
ZapSound=firework
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EnableMouseLook=No
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AxesWrongRange=No
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FSVersionUsed="Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3",3.4.22.19868
SimConnectUsed=3.4.0.0

[JoyNames]
AutoAssignLetters=No
0=Pro Flight Cessna Yoke
0.GUID={B2F46AA0-E931-11E5-8003-444553540000}
1=Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals
1.GUID={B2F44390-E931-11E5-8001-444553540000}
2=Saitek Pro Flight Throttle Quadrant
2.GUID={B2F491B0-E931-11E5-8004-444553540000}

[Axes]
PollInterval=10
RangeRepeatRate=10
0=0Z,256,D,6,0,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Mixture }-
1=0U,128,D,9,11,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Throttle1, Throttle3 }-
2=0V,128,D,10,12,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Throttle2, Throttle4 }-
3=1Z,256,D,6,0,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Mixture }-
4=1U,1,D,9,11,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Throttle1, Throttle3 }-
5=1V,1,D,10,12,0,0    -{ DIRECT: Throttle2, Throttle4 }-
6=2X,256,D,17,19,0,0    -{ DIRECT: PropPitch1, PropPitch3 }-
7=2Y,256,D,18,20,0,0    -{ DIRECT: PropPitch2, PropPitch4 }-
8=2Z,256
9=2Z,B,2176,16383,x02000BC8,x2768,x02000BC8,x0000    -{ Entering=offset word set, offset 0BC8, Leaving=offset word set, offset 0BC8 }-

[Buttons]
PollInterval=25
ButtonRepeat=20,10
1=R1,0,C1001,0     -{PTT Transmit On (SB3,RW,AVC)}-
2=U1,0,C1002,0     -{PTT Transmit Off (SB3,RW,AVC)}-
4=R0,11,C66276,0     -{AILERON_TRIM_LEFT}-
5=R0,12,C66277,0     -{AILERON_TRIM_RIGHT}-
6=U0,12,C3,0     -{Custom control: <3>}-

[AutoSave]
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[GPSout]
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Port=WideFS
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Interval=2000
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SimModeIndicator=No
Sentences=RMC,GGA,GSA

[GPSout2]
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Port=<none set>
Speed=4800
Interval=2000
PosTo6Decimal=No
SimModeIndicator=No
Sentences=

[WideServer]
WideFSenabled=Yes
AdvertiseService=1
Port=8002
Port2=9002

[Sounds]
Path=D:\Lockheed Martin\PREPAR3D V3.2\Sound\
Device1=Primary Sound Driver
Device2=Speakers (Creative SB X-Fi)
Device3=Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Device4=SPDIF Out (Creative SB X-Fi)
Device5=Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Device6=SONY TV-4 (NVIDIA High Definition Audio)
Device7=Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)

[JoystickCalibration]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Throttle1=-16384,-11442,-9882,16383
Throttle2=-16384,-11572,-9882,16383
Throttle3=-16384,-11442,-9882,16383
Throttle4=-16384,-11833,-9882,16383
Mixture=-16380,16380
PropPitch1=-16384,0,512,16383
PropPitch2=-16253,0,512,16383
PropPitch3=-16384,0,512,16383
PropPitch4=-16253,0,512,16383
SyncSlopeThrottle3=27/27
Aileron Trim=-16380,-512,512,16380

[Profile.hawk]
1=Hawk, RAF, 100 Sqn, RAF Leeming

[JoystickCalibration.hawk]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Mixture=-16380,16380
Throttle1=-16384,-11442,-11442,16256/32
Throttle2=-16384,-11572,-11572,16256/40
Throttle3=-16384,-11442,-11442,16256/40
Throttle4=-16384,-11572,-11572,16256/40
PropPitch1=0,0,512,16380
PropPitch2=0,0,512,16380
PropPitch3=0,0,512,16380
PropPitch4=0,0,512,16380
SyncSlopeThrottle2=127/127
SyncSlopeThrottle3=126/127
!1=SyncSlop

[MacroFiles]
1=4X_DA20-100

[ClientNames]
1=HOME-PCAMD

[Monitor]
Monitor0=0,024C,4,0
Display=4

[Traffic Limiter]
TrafficLimit=0
AirportPreference=50
GroundPreference=50
NearerPreference=50

[Profile.VRS F18]
1=VFA-137 "Kestrels" Line

[JoystickCalibration.VRS F18]
AllowSuppressForPFCquad=Yes
ExcludeThrottleSet=Yes
ExcludeMixtureSet=Yes
ExcludePropPitchSet=Yes
SepRevsJetsOnly=No
ApplyHeloTrim=No
UseAxisControlsForNRZ=No
FlapsSetControl=0
FlapDetents=No
ReverserControl=66292
Reverser1Control=66422
Reverser2Control=66425
Reverser3Control=66428
Reverser4Control=66431
MaxThrottleForReverser=256
AileronTrimControl=66731
RudderTrimControl=66732
CowlFlaps1Control=66162
CowlFlaps2Control=66163
CowlFlaps3Control=66164
CowlFlaps4Control=66165
SteeringTillerControl=0
MaxSteerSpeed=60
Mixture=-16380,16380
Throttle1=-16384,0,0,16383
Throttle2=-16384,0,0,16383
Throttle3=-16384,0,0,16383
SyncSlopeThrottle3=27/27
Throttle4=-16384,0,0,16383
PropPitch1=-16384,0,512,16383
PropPitch2=-16253,0,512,16383
PropPitch3=-16384,0,512,16383
PropPitch4=-16253,0,512,16383
Aileron Trim=-16380,-512,512,16380

 

[Pete Dowson]

3 hours ago, sflight said:

The inputs show a range from - 16384 to 16383, the output box shows - 4096 to 16383.

That's normal for a throttle axis on which you are using reverse too. -4096 is 25% reverse thrust which is the maxiumum allowed by more Aircraft.CFGs. This value might be reduced still further 9towards zero I mean) according to individual aircraft configurations. This is all done automatically by FSUIPC so that you get the full reverse range no matter what. If -4096 was the most reverse and aircraft could use, sending values less than that, down to -16384, would be a waste of axis movement.

3 hours ago, sflight said:

Most aircraft the throttles seem to be fine, but some like Just flights Hawk, Tornado & Canberra and the VRS superbug F18 the throttles only come back half way & not to idle,

You need to calibrate with no reverse zone then.  If they do have a reverse you'd need to use a method allowed or provided by the aircraft model.

3 hours ago, sflight said:

I have attached my .ini just in case any errors are obvious.

[General]
UpdatedByVersion=4961

The main error is that you are using a very old and completely unsupported version of FSUIPC4. Please always check such things before posting here.

Pete

 

[sflight]

Ok, thanks Pete. I thought I had the most up-to-date version for P3D V3.4. I did try no reverse zone & that did put the output to zero and gave me even less throttle movement in the problem aircraft. I will update FSUIPC now.

Thanks 

[Pete Dowson]

26 minutes ago, sflight said:

I did try no reverse zone & that did put the output to zero and gave me even less throttle movement in the problem aircraft

Setting NRZ mode should give you -16384 to +16384, but you probably need to assign to the Axis throttleN set FS controls, not assign direct to FSUIPC calibration. Some aircraft don't like the alternative controls FSUIPC then uses.

But just try with the update first.

Pete

 

[sflight]

Will do, updated now.

I will report back how I get on.

Thanks Pete.

[sflight]

Right its sorted. The update nor setting no reverse zone didn't cure it, sending the joystick data straight to the simulator instead of FSUIPC calibration did fix it.

Thanks for your help Pete.

[Pete Dowson]

13 hours ago, sflight said:

sending the joystick data straight to the simulator instead of FSUIPC calibration did fix it.

Yes, there are just a few usually more advanced, add-on aircraft which need this. They handle everything themselves from a level hgher that that at which FSUIPC works.

Pete